NatF
Bionic Poster
As a fellow custodian of the House of Arod I implore you to pull your **** together.
Big 3-Non Clay Major meetings
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As a fellow custodian of the House of Arod I implore you to pull your **** together.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
That depends on how much I drink tonight
But seriously, a Tour without Andy's makes me lose my ****. Andrey's don't quite give the same high.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Guy could have probably made the SF of the USO this year if he turned up.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Roddick? Maybe that's stretching it.
Murray? Don't see him losing to Anderson, but I think Schwartzman is a huge pain for injured Murray. So 2nd round or final it is
Yes, except for 2017, Plexi-cushion is closer to clay than fast hard.
Generally, outdoor hard courts are slow these days - especially in the first half of the year (Dubai being one of the main exceptions then). Hence, most outdoor hard courts these days would favour Nadal over Federer.
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Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Interestingly, I did some research on this (looked at players' seeding in the US Open draws, not rankings, so may not be 100% accurate, but will be very close), and the below are the results. Seems like Connors had a similarly mediocre record against top 10-ers at the USO, albeit he played way more matches than Nadal. In fact, all the other 3-time USO champs played against top 10-ers way more than Nadal...
Open Era champs
Sampras 16-5 (76%) - 21 matches total
Federer 16-6 (73%) - 22 matches total
McEnroe 16-7 (70%) - 23 matches total
Lendl 17-10 (63%) - 27 matches total
Nadal 5-4 (56%) - 9 matches total
Connors 14-13 (52%) - 27 matches total
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Nice job with the stat. Yea this is what I was expecting and I was talking more about the number of times he played the top 10 compared to his overall record. He has played the USO 13 times, won it 3 times yet he has only beat a top 10 player there 5 times. That is unreal.
gplracer
Hall of Fame
19 grand slams and the most weeks at number 1 does not lie either. It would be a better comparison I’d they were all the same age.
gplracer
Hall of Fame
How about all the years Nadal did not play or lost to someone early in the tournament. Federer would have possibly won then but he did not get the chance to beat him. How many grand slams has Nadal missed due to a injury when he could not play his best?
Why has Federer reached more semifinals of grand slams?
Why has Federer reached more semifinals of grand slams?
I think you raise a valid and important point. My only criticism is to leave out clay, I appreciate you explain why you did but my view is the whole debate is upside down. The question should be why does Federer and Djokovic have such a lamentable record v Nadal on clay which is something that seems to get ignored.
Surely a goat contender has to be competitive on their weakest surface? Sampras on clay scored wins over courier and bruguera on for instance. Yes Nadal on clay won't ever be bettered in Earths existence probably but a players of Federer and Djokovic calibre surely can do better than one win out of 10 attempts between them against Nadal.
duaneeo
Legend
Of his 11 victories, Djokovic won the title 10 times (91.1%).
Of his 8 victories, Federer won the title 7 times (87.5%).
Of his 7 victories, Nadal won the title 4 times (57%).
NatF
Bionic Poster
I was doing a mild 90's Clay impression man. Next time I'll include a ROLFLMAO.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
If ever there was a neutral fan in this forum, you are most definitely not that person.
zagor
Bionic Poster
LOL! That's just ridiculous in so many ways.
Yet you constantly hear on this forum how Nadal had it toughest in terms of competition and Fed is supposedly the opportunistic and lucky one. Yeah, right.
zagor
Bionic Poster
At least Federer has never lost twice to Muller and Brown on grass
You seem like an easy trolling target OP, so I'll stop therei prefer a challenge.
Yeah, Nadal is 0-2 against Muller at Wimbledon and 0-2 against Ferrer in HC slams (who lost combined one set in those 2 meetings). Guess they're better on grass and HC respectively.
NatF
Bionic Poster
It's one of those great myths people who evidently know very little like to push.
zagor
Bionic Poster
It's just a combination of lazyness, ignorance and arrogance. Further spurred on by media talking heads and their focus on high profile players and matches to hype the game.
You should either take into account the form and the entire draw to go with the names or stop yapping about players and periods you know nothing about.
Wikipedia arguments and superficial analysis are becoming way too prevalent on this forum.
NatF
Bionic Poster
A good chunk of it is also dishonesty.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Viva Rafa Nadal!
vanioMan
Legend
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
started to seriously dislike threads like this one, would be my humble guess.I can't tell if you're trolling lately or you've seriously started to dislike Nadal
NatF
Bionic Poster
I can't tell if you're trolling lately or you've seriously started to dislike Nadal
I'm starting to seriously dislike his fans. You're a good guy man but I find it ridiculous that you're calling me up in this thread. If I made it in a neutral thread I'd get it but surely you're not oblivious to the amount of baiting posts and threads these days? I'm just posting some facts to go along with the OP's facts
vanioMan
Legend
I'm starting to seriously dislike his fans. You're a good guy man but I find it ridiculous that you're calling me up in this thread. If I made it in a neutral thread I'd get it but surely you're not oblivious to the amount of baiting posts and threads these days? I'm just posting some facts to go along with the OP's facts
Hehe, I'm not calling you out man. Just asking
I haven't been visiting TTW a lot lately, so I'm not that up to date with what's going on.
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
Federer was non-prime everytime he lost. Federer always oscillates between prime and non-prime. At time one complete oscillation can happen within a match. Like WTF match against Goffin. He was prime in first set but non-prime in 2nd and 3rd sets.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
It's been that way ever since I got here 2+ years ago, then Nadal was slumping so the Djokovic trolls were the primary wikipedia experts, now the pendulum has swung the other way. Best way to deal with the Wikipedia warriors is a good mix of calling them out and just trolling them back. @NatF you're wasting too much energy on these fools.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Hehe, I'm not calling you out man. Just asking
I haven't been visiting TTW a lot lately, so I'm not that up to date with what's going on.
Leave now man, before it takes your sanity like it has mine
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
when we can have players like Busta in top 10, i know how useless these top 10 stats could be. Federer through out his life vultured against such opponent but sissied against rest of big 3. Numbers in OP are self-revealing.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
While not as glamorous/clever as using the injury/fatigue excuse for every loss, the prime not prime routine will have to do. Maybe you and the rest of VB can teach us peak excuse making?
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Hehe, I'm not calling you out man. Just asking
I haven't been visiting TTW a lot lately, so I'm not that up to date with what's going on.
No one knows what's going on
NatF
Bionic Poster
I'm just posting facts man.
Federer sissied out by having way more meetings against top 10 players? Nadal is a champion by making it deep less often and losing more frequently to mugs? Gotcha.
If only Nadal was willing to lower himself to vulturing wins against journeymen top 10 players he might not be trailing Federer 6-18 on two out of three of the major surfaces.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
Facts don't get you anywhere against these guys
NatF
Bionic Poster
True, I think they're allergic.
vanioMan
Legend
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
The book I have to read to figure out some of the comments of Fed fans.
Spencer Gore
Legend
So true. The whole "Federer not in his prime" argument is risible. The only reason he had a "prime" was because Nadal and Djokovic hadn't reached maturity. Once they did, Fed's cleaning up of the majors ended. The facts in my OP demonstrate a very inconvenient truth for the Federer fanatics.The book I have to read to figure out some of the comments of Fed fans.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
So when is Federer's prime again? Let me guess, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014 , 2015, and 2016 right?
NatF
Bionic Poster
The book I have to read to figure out some of the comments of Fed fans.
VB 101:
1) Mock Fedfans for talking about Federer exiting his prime in year "xxxx"
and then in the same post
2) Talk about how Djokodal weren't in their prime until year "xxxx"
Classic VB hypocrites
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
Because Federer is very consistent in beating nobodies but struggles against somebodies. Nadal is not as consistent against nobodies but better than Federer's against somebodies.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Leave now man, before it takes your sanity like it has mine
Lately he has been coming in here to either take the occasional stab at some fan or just express his general disgust of the vile Federer fans or simply stir some **** pretending to be cool.
"Wow, just wow. How bitter are you."
"Even in such a great moment of joy for you, you can't stop thinking about the VB. Quite sad. If Rafa won these, I wouldn't care less about any fanbase.
Proves that your enjoyment from tennis is linked with Federer's success just as much as with putting Nadal or his fans down".
"At least Clarky was funny sometimes.
That's kind of worrying. If you were a girl then at least you'd have an excuse for whining so much"
"He is a troll. Let him be."
"Nobody cares what you would have liked. Tennis experts and greats don't care about your opinion.
Now you can continue believing that you are somebody important"
All posts made by the person that claims that he focuses on Nadal's positives, doesn't frequent here (all posts within a month and a half), and remains cool.
The poorest kind of pretending to be cool and fair.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
On the other hand Nadal might've won all them, and Federers H2H record would've been a lot worse
And your 2nd point, possibly because he has played on the tour a good few years more
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
On the other hand Nadal might've won all them, and Federers H2H record would've been a lot worse
Nadal moral victor everytime he loses officially confirmed, then?
Spencer Gore
Legend
To be fair, he very rarely loses to Federer in the big ones.Nadal moral victor everytime he loses officially confirmed, then?
Incognito
Legend
Valid points but then at the USO at least twice Federer hasn't lost to the guy Nadal then beat on his way to winning the title. How many times since Nadal matured I.e 21 onwards did a fit Nadal lose early at Majors outside Wimbledon? Not many.
The problem is with a five year age gap it's pointless comparing the numbers.
8-4 to Nadal isn't it? 3-2 at AO 1-2 Wimbledon 4-0 FO?
What does Djokovic have to do with this? Fed was still beating him at his peak in majors aged 30-31.
Then Nadal would have the most slams and he’d be the GOAT.On the other hand Nadal might've won all them, and Federers H2H record would've been a lot worse
And your 2nd point, possibly because he has played on the tour a good few years more
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
Nadal 9-3. AO 3-1, FO 5-0, Wimbledon 1-2. Huge Gap. They have played 5 FO, 4 AO and 3 W. Not that this lopsided-ness not because of French Open.
Spencer Gore
Legend
Nadal's complete dominance over Federer at the majors is the final nail in the coffin of Roger's claim to GOAT-ness.
every7
Hall of Fame
That 3-1 record at AO amazes me. I don't know how Rafa has managed to do that. AO is an event that is so suited to Roger's game, and he has had so much success there. 2012 AO was incredible. Roger was on fire that year and Rafa still managed the win and then to go onto the final.
Roger got revenge later at IW playing an insane level of first strike tennis but still that AO match was amazing.
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