Big 5 maiden titles in all categories stats

[nolefam_2024]

Fed vs Andy 14-11

Goat vs Andy 25-11

What did we all miss?

Exactly.

We don't need to always keep praising Federer in 2000s like he had zero weaknesses.

 

[Razer]

Exactly.

We don't need to always keep praising Federer in 2000s like he had zero weaknesses.

As if an inferior like Murray is capable of exploiting any weakness ? lol

Pathetic fellow's 1-5 h2h in slams with an advantage of being 6 years younger would end up as something like 0-8 if he faced Fed aged same....

 

[alexio]

razer not always younger means better/adv. ..doudle-edged sword, more old more experienced, more young more green

 

[nolefam_2024]

As if an inferior like Murray is capable of exploiting any weakness ? lol

Pathetic fellow's 1-5 h2h in slams with an advantage of being 6 years younger would end up as something like 0-8 if he faced Fed aged same....

Murray is inferior to big 3

Roddick Hewitt are inferior to Murray

 

[Razer]

Roddick Hewitt are inferior to Murray

A donkey might be inferior to a Zebra but they are both helpless against a Siberian Tiger.
To fighter a Tiger you maybe need a Lion.

You are expecting a Zeba to beat a Tiger, that is laughable, it will meet the same fate as that of the donkey.

 

[Mainad]

razer not always younger means better/adv. ..doudle-edged sword, more old more experienced, more young more green

He's just a clueless Big 3 fanatic with no respect for Murray. Impossible to engage with as he just ignores any alternative facts you present. Best to ignore.

 

[Razer]

razer not always younger means better/adv. ..doudle-edged sword, more old more experienced, more young more green

Younger is always an advantage if your younger version is at its peak ......!

If someone is more experienced at 30+ then it comes at the cost of lost athleticism that one had at 24-25. No matter how advanced the 30+ year old is, the younger version will adapt to him if he plays 2-3 times and then what do you think will happen? Will thrash the older man, that is just how it goes... So never try to sell this experience factor to me.

It is not doubled edge if you are entering your peak.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Younger is always an advantage if your younger version is at its peak ......!

If someone is more experienced at 30+ then it comes at the cost of lost athleticism that one had at 24-25. No matter how advanced the 30+ year old is, the younger version will adapt to him if he plays 2-3 times and then what do you think will happen? Will thrash the older man, that is just how it goes... So never try to sell this experience factor to me.

It is not doubled edge if you are entering your peak.

Wrong.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Controversy only because most people don't know how to look at data.

2008-2016 Big4 era (Murray first and last year end in top10 actually also top4), I included #5 Wawa to have a better idea in comparison (for Murray and Wawa, vs big4 is just vs big3, Murray-Wawa H2H is 10-5)

​	Nole​	Rafa​	Fed​	Murray​	Wawa​
GS​	12​	11​	5​	3​	3​
GS RU​	8​	4​	8​	8​	0​
TF​	5​	0​	2​	1​	0​
Masters​	28​	19​	10​	14​	1​
OG​	0​	1​	0​	2​	0​
Big Titles​	45​	31​	17​	20​	4​
Titles​	59​	46​	35​	40​	14​
win%​	85.83% 630-104​	83.69% 549-107​	82.66% 529-111​	80.86% 528-125​	67.47% 363-175​
ave opp rank​	20​	24​	23​	24​	30​
vs top5​	63.49% 80-46​	57.45% 54-40​	49.48% 48-49​	43.88% 43-55​	21.62% 16-58​
vs top10​	72.34% 170-65​	64.71% 110-60​	59.41% 101-69​	57.05% 89-67​	38.18% 42-68​
vs big4​	59.82% 67-45​	56.63% 47-36​	42.68% 35-47​	36.36% 28-49​	16.67% 9-45​

Only one small problem here! Tennis hasn't stopped after 2016 and it didn't start from 2008...just sayin'...i can cherry peck and choose any period like that, that would fit my agenda too...Murray started playing tennis on competitive level almost simultaneously with Djokovic and only couple of seasons later than Nadal and yet he needed to wait until 2012 to win his first ever highest tier event? Furthermore big-3 continued their winning ways after 2016, Djokovic re-joined Fedal since 2018 after a brief career slump and is still going strong, while Murray went missing...it's his own problem he forced himself into such a career ruining injury, not anyone else's...got too greedy in the second half of 2016 overplayed bunch of Mickey Mouse tier events just to catch up with Djokovic and then payed the ultimate price next season...

 

[NatF]

MuryGOAT played Fed tough in Best of 3 matches, but struggled mightily in Best of 5 matches vs The Maestro. However, MuryGOAT hit his prime much earlier than Fed did. If MuryGOAT were born in 1981 like Fed, then we'd have 2008 MuryGOAT playing in 2002, 2009 MuryGOAT playing in 2003,etc.

2002:
AO: 2008 4R loss. Nothing is happening here most likely
FO: 2008 3R loss. nope, not winning 2002 FO
WI: 2008 -Made QF and then lost to Nadal in straights. I could see MuryGOAT going to the final here and facing Hewitt. coinflip. decent chance for MuryGOAT
USO: 2008-- made final and lost in straights to Fed. In 2002, He'd have Sampras, Agassi, Hewitt, and Safin to deal with. He'd have his chances. But they are slim. Mischa Zverev wtih his serve and volley pushed #1 MuryGOAT to the brink at a hard court slam, IIRC. I don't like his chances here

2003(2009 MuryGOAT)
AO: lost in 4R. not happening
FO: lost in QF to Gonzalez. I think that Ferrero, or somebody even earlier takes him out. Slim chance
WI: lost in semis to Roddick. Federer was very dangerous here. Slim chance.
USO: lost in 4R in 2009. I don't like his chances here either
2004:
AO: lost in final to Federer in straights. Here, I don't see him beating the 2004 Fed at all. This is when Fed began his insane streak on hard courts and against the top-10. Slim chance
FO: lost in 4R in 2010. Somebody like Federer or Kuerten likely takes him out before he even gets a whiff of the final. Slim chance
WI: lost in semis to Nadal in straights in 2010. I don't like his chances here against peak Roddick or Federer. Slim chance
USO: lost in R3 in 2010. I don't see him beating the same Fed that double-bageled Hewitt in the final. Slim chance
2005:
AO: Lost final to Djoker in straights. I don't think that he takes down Safin or Federer. Slim chance
FO: Lost to Nadal in straights. I'm taking 2005 Nadal here. No chance
WI: lost in semis to Nadal in 4. Federer was huge at this Wimbledon; one of his very best showings. Slim chance
USO: lost in semis to Nadal in 4. Getting past Agassi and Federer will be very tough here. slim chance
2006:
AO: 2012-- lost in semis to Djoker in 5 sets. This is Murray's best chance, IMHO. I might give him a legit shot here against Federer.
FO: lost in QF to Ferrer. Nadal easily...noce chance
WI: lost to Federer in final. very slim chance vs 2006 FEd
US: Beat DJoker in 5. But this was Fed's very best year. Slim chance
2007:
AO: Federer was too much here.
FO: Nadal way too good
WI: 2013 MuryGOAT's chances are very slim here.
USO: slim chance
2008: Mury was injured in 2014. I don't like any of his chances here.
2009:
AO: Nadal and Federer too tough
FO: FEd was too tough
WI: 2015 Fed smoked MuryGOAT in straights. I'm taking 2009 FEd here too
USO: Fed or Delpo takes out MuryGOAT
2010:
AO: Federer wins
FO: Nadal way too tough
WI: Nadal over 2016 Mury GOAT
USO: Nadal way too tough

I'd put MuryGOAT's total at 2 max. He maybe beats Hewitt in Wimbledon in 2002 and Federer in 2006 at the AO. I wasn't impressed with Fed at the AO that year. The rest, he's a longshot.

2 Slams for MuryGOAT.

2008 Murray is not a coin flip versus 2002 Hewitt come on now...

 

[Sudacafan]

There's no Big 4, and even more not Big 5.
Reported.

 

[Bender]

"Big 5"

“Big 3”

Everyone knows the real Big 3 is Federer Djokovic and Murray

 

[nolefam_2024]

There's no Big 4, and even more not Big 5.
Reported.

100%

 

[ghostofMecir]

Yesterday I saw the AO 2011 final again. Despite Andy Murray having better return than Federer, he was beaten much more comfortable by Djokovic.

I think Djokovic broke him 8 times or so. And he certainly couldn't do so vs fed.

Some of it was Djokovic's own good game but some was also Murray's attitude. He tended to give up too easily.

Djokovic’s domiance ratio vs. Federer: 1.04
Djokovic’s dominance ratio vs. Murray: 1.54