Plamen1234
Hall of Fame
Nobody bashes Murray GOAT.But yeah you are right about the other things
Clay season set to be the most boring ever yet again
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Nobody bashes Murray GOAT.But yeah you are right about the other things
zagor
Bionic Poster
Nah, they're just bigger in number but that will slowly change as the CC season gets underway and Nadal fans emerge once more (from Nadal news and elsewhere).
People who make sweeping generalizations like this just happen to have a strong preference one way or the other. No harm done but not everything can be blamed on fans' behaviour.
And yes of course grasscourt season last year was pretty boring if you're not a Fed fan (especially the Wimbledon final which was a big letdown), doesn't change anything in regards to the current state of the tour on clay.
Badabing888
Hall of Fame
zagor
Bionic Poster
Pretty much. There was quite a hysteria from Nadal fans in regards to Fed's scheduling, the whole roof drama, him missing clay (this discussion has been going for months now with Nadal fans routinely insulting both Fed and his fanbase) etc. not to mention the daily discussions about the peaking 40 year old man who apparently played toddlers and TW 3.0s back in his glory days of 2004-2007. Really, there aren't many Nadal fans on TTW that give Fed any credit whatsoever (quite a number of them seriously believes that Fed wins=weak era without any pretense whatosever) which makes it doubly hilarious to see them point fingers at anyone.
Of course Fed fans are the largest in number usually and often bash other players when they're not yapping about the GOAT nonsense and posting 10000 highlight Fed's videos. Novak is an easy target for anyone now obviously, partly his fault. It's impossible not to laugh at some of the philosphical crap he's been spouting lately and the crowd he's keeping.
WhiskeyEE
G.O.A.T.
Good luck with that.
Sounds like your head isn't completely in the game. We're an ACL tear away from a good clay season. And father time always gets his due.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Nothing can save the CC season right now, removing Nadal would only make it a hilarious crapshoot that would make Coria-Gaudio 2004 FO look like an epic battle of wills. Nadal's certainly not my favourite, but I'd still take him over Coric-Chung mugfest or whatever freak show that awaits us in probably recent future, he's there to atleast keep up the neccessary standard.
And yes wishing injury on any player so that he can't ply his trade is pathetic, no two ways about it.
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Sounds like your head isn’t in the right place if you wish injury and damage to a player just because you don’t like him.
WhiskeyEE
G.O.A.T.
You said yourself that there is no clay competition. If there is no worthy player without Nadal, then there is no worthy winner at all. You defeated your own argument.
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
Ha! Chung. I like him but he will get vaporized by Rafa if they meet…1, 2 & 2 or so sounds about right.
No need to even play the clay season this year, just hand the whole package of trophies to Nadal.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
... an imagin'jury ?
zagor
Bionic Poster
Relatively speaking but you can still partially judge Nadal's level separate from his opponents and deem him to be a worthy slam winner like it was the case last year.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Chung is a HC player and even there he's overrated. None of the promising young guns (the few that there are) prefer clay or grass for that matter (as I said, HC). People are bringing up Schwartzman, Goffin and Carreno Busta but those guys are just draw fillers when it comes to slams. There's Thiem but given his playing style it's hard for me to consider him young, more like mid-career.
The biggest threat by far to Nadal at the FO this year is Delpo if he actually plays. Don't get me wrong, the chance is miniscule but still much better compared to the rest of those CC juggernauts that people are putting out there for whatever reason.
Standaa
G.O.A.T.
With a competition like that, Nadal still seems like a heavy favourite for the French for a couple of years to come, and that’s really surprising given his injury records and his playing style. And if he hibernates for a whole year starting next year and only wakes up for one clay Masters and RG, he could be winning this sh*t until his 40s.
I hope Almagro’s prediction comes true:
I hope Almagro’s prediction comes true:
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junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
If the clay season is boring for its predictability, so is the grass season. Stop with the double standards
Isner, Raonic, Cilic, Dimitrov are all good grass players who do no harm on clay. Federer, Murray will also return for grass. Possibly Stan/ Novak, too.
I think people are concerned about all the injured players.
Perhaps we need more clay, more slow HC, more long rallies - to reduce all the injuries in our sport
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Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
nochweiterroger
Rookie
No one seems to have noticed Thiem has a genuine injury and not that minor.
Fed is not a lock in for Wimbledon.
Clay season does look depressing.
Fed is not a lock in for Wimbledon.
Clay season does look depressing.
I wouldn’t have thought that I would ever say that, but I think I’ll root for Nadal this year on clay, for two reasons.
1) With a normal Nadal on clay I wouldn’t be so disappointed about Federer not trying to win RG, because then it would have most likely been impossible anyway.
2) IMO there is no next-gen player who in any possible way deserves to be the one to dethrone Nadal.
1) With a normal Nadal on clay I wouldn’t be so disappointed about Federer not trying to win RG, because then it would have most likely been impossible anyway.
2) IMO there is no next-gen player who in any possible way deserves to be the one to dethrone Nadal.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
I doubt any genuine Federer fan thinks he is certain to win Wimbledon. There'll be jinxing threads from the usual suspects.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Grass will be twice as fun, because it's half as long.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
2:1? Where do you get your information from? He's played 7 matches, retired from 1 and won 6. So he is unbeaten this year.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Retirements count as losses.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
was a joke/exaggeration.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
true I forgot he was back for DC this weekend. prob will sweep the red.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
Yeaa never wise to bet against Rafa on clay. Still, he has played one official tourney this year. DC weekend was nice, now let's see how many baked goods he dishes out in MC
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
What did he say exactly?
van_Loederen
Professional
winning more than last season will be really tough as he's one year older.
not sure if that longer rest was better than his schedule last year, but possible it is.
anyway, he's 32 and has to win 1 Slam, 3 Masters, and 1 500 in 2 months.
i find that actually pretty exciting to follow.
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
winning more than last season will be really tough as he's one year older.
not sure if that longer rest was better than his schedule last year, but possible it is.
anyway, he's 32 and has to win 1 Slam, 3 Masters, and 1 500 in 2 months.
i find that actually pretty exciting to follow.
The problem is he has little to no competition…look at what he did to AZ who is supposedly good on clay…Rafa just flicked him to the curb like a cigarette butt.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Bring on the clay! The world # 1 has a lot of points to defend but I think he can match last year in terms of titles during the clay swing. I don't know if he'll achieve all of this but hopefully - he is gunning for:
11 MC titles (record)
6 Madrid titles (record)
7 Rome titles (record)
11 Barcelona titles (record)
11 RG titles (record)
17 total slams (second all time, 3 behind first, 3 in front of third)
80 total titles (to move into fourth place)
178 weeks at # 1 (to move into sixth place)
Vamos Rafa!
11 MC titles (record)
6 Madrid titles (record)
7 Rome titles (record)
11 Barcelona titles (record)
11 RG titles (record)
17 total slams (second all time, 3 behind first, 3 in front of third)
80 total titles (to move into fourth place)
178 weeks at # 1 (to move into sixth place)
Vamos Rafa!
vive le beau jeu !
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vanioMan
Legend
Something in the lines of - "You will win Roland Garros 40 years in a row. He will be 65 years old and will continue to win Roland Garros. At 65!"
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
It's not because Federer's competition on grass is strong though. It's because Federer's ancient(for tennis standards) and can have off days.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Why is Zverev even in the discussion? He hasn't got the stamina to do any damage in a BO5 format, as his slam results eloquently prove. He won't even go far enough in the draw to meet Rafa.
MrFlip
Professional
Good point. Hmmmm...Djokovic v Nadal FO 2018 Final
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Um... didn't you watch anything last season ? He played all events until after the US open he had a knee problem.
Doesn't really match up with your logic
Clay lover
Legend
I have always held the belief that the dominance of one doesn't detract from the whole viewing experience of the tournament when exciting matches abound between other players. Now if everyone played like Nadal THAT would be boring.
Other players have their rightful place in the tournament and just because they have an inferior game to Nadal's and just because their eventual fate is predictable doesn't mean they can't produce exciting matches. That's like saying life is boring because we all lose out in the race against the grim reaper eventually, which is a pretty sad way of looking at things.
Other players have their rightful place in the tournament and just because they have an inferior game to Nadal's and just because their eventual fate is predictable doesn't mean they can't produce exciting matches. That's like saying life is boring because we all lose out in the race against the grim reaper eventually, which is a pretty sad way of looking at things.
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