Damage done to your rivals at their pet slams.

[BauerAlmeida]

djokovic reached his peak and lost RG, W and had to save MP to win at USO vs post prime fed. No amount of Ruud or Berretini slams will elevate djokovic peak above the big 2.

Crazy how Djokovic managed to get almost 400 weeks at #1 and 24 slams just in the last 3 years lol.

Oh, BTW, when he beat Ruud he had beaten Alcaraz before. He also beat Nadal at RG, something Federer never did. And Nadal could have beaten Berretini or someone else at Wimbledon if he wasn't busy losing to scrubs in the first week for half a decade.

Yeah, he lost at RG and W, so did Federer, Nadal and everyone else. The idea that he has to win every slam he plays is hilarious. You can discount those slams and he still has more than Federer BTW.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Yea he supposedly had to wait for them to be 30+ and massively decline/retire to win like he's doing now when he was winning even more in 2011-2016, and definitely winning way more Masters/ATP Finals.

He dominated one generation, the next generaiton, now he's hanging with the next one and beating them. The idea that he was only winning big after Fedal fell off is all bs, of course, since we all watched the same game and know they way it played.

Exactly and because Fed was 6 years older it was only natural when Djokovic hit his stride that Fed would be closer to 30. No other way around it.

It’s like what was expected to happen. The fact is Fedal never dropped away just Djokovic went from strength to strength and halted both guy’s momentum.

If it wasn’t for Djokovic they would have close to 30 slams each now. That’s what hurts them.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

They try to call Djokovic the vulture and Fed better than him at RG. It’s laughable.

Yet this Fed guy only won 1 RG due to Soldering producing the match of his life and Fed took advantage of it. He has no Rome or Monte Carlo titles.

As you say it’s not even a discussion now.

Hard courts is closer but again it’s case closed in Djokovic favour now. He’s just got to much over Fed in slams, masters and atp finals and that 4th is open strengthened him further and his slam distribution too.

People still wanting to make an argument as to who is greater on clay between Federer and Djokovic are hilarious. They talk about Alcaraz and Ruud being an easy draw (or worse, Nadal and Tsitsipas) when Federer had given up on clay by that point and was by no means a sure thing to beat those guys when he was losing to all sorts of players on clay even at his peak (Volandri, Costa, Gasquet)

 

[StrongRule]

When you have to combine their records, you know they're lesser.

Don't worry, nobody can reach your level of cherry picking.

 

[NoleFam]

They try to call Djokovic the vulture and Fed better than him at RG. It’s laughable.

Yet this Fed guy only won 1 RG due to Soldering producing the match of his life and Fed took advantage of it. He has no Rome or Monte Carlo titles.

As you say it’s not even a discussion now.

Hard courts is closer but again it’s case closed in Djokovic favour now. He’s just got to much over Fed in slams, masters and atp finals and that 4th us open strengthened him further and his slam distribution too. No path left for Fed

Yea I mean his RG win was an assist but yet his peak is way higher and that win is more impressive than anything Djokovic ever did at RG...allegedly. At least if Federer had some Rome and MC titles the argument would make more sense but definitely doesn't now. They're basing all of this on his win in 2011 but of course the 2012 win is meaningless.

He just has too much more than everyone on hardcourt. He's played way less matches on the surface than Federer and is leaving him far behind in wins over top players already, and the rest of the players are much farther back than Federer is.

 

[NoleFam]

Exactly and because Fed was 6 years older it was only natural when Djokovic hit his stride that Fed would be closer to 30. No other way around it.

It’s like what was expected to happen. The fact is Fedal never dropped away just Djokovic went from strength to strength and halted both guy’s momentum.

If it wasn’t for Djokovic they would have close to 30 slams each now. That’s what hurts them.

Yea when Djokovic hit peak age, Federer would be closing in on 30. That was always going to happen. He was almost close to 30 when Nadal won his 1st USO.

The difference is Djokovic didn't decline in athleticism like they did. I don't know why we can't all agree on that and stop this nonsense about it was only because of weaker players. Alcaraz is definitely not weak. He's the next ATG.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Watching Djokovic Nadal 2020 RG, I think even that level Djokovic would have won RG in most years. Not vs Nadal but definitely in 2023.
Fed in 2008 RG wouldn't have won it vs maybe even Djokovic in 2008.

This serve and volleyer doesn't belong on same court with clay greats.

 

[Neptune]

I like how they dismiss Djoko’s wins against older Fed but completely okay with Feds early wins over young djoko with physical issues

Just remind them the Fed-Rafa H2H in the so called Fed prime years?

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

2015 and 2021 Nadal not strongest or close to them.

2014 2015 Federer were very strong and no excuses can be made.

Though Fed being 'strong' in those years would also be to his credit, in some balance with the credit to Djoker for winning - rendering the 'no excuses' moniker a weird one, and tied to him being... Good? Else Fed being crud would be worse for him, but somehow... Also make it worse for Djoker? It's a funny concept for all the guys, this.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Just remind them the Fed-Rafa H2H in the so called Fed prime years?

This is very true. They got no way out of that one.

 

[Neptune]

This is very true. They got no way out of that one.

Many fans like to cherry picking and spin, but often bring out things against them, lacking logic. lol

 

[mike danny]

Mythical beasts who are the standard, except someone met their standard and surpassed it. Oh no, it doesn't count because they were past their prime. Meanwhile, 30+ year old Djokovic was a wrecking ball having 3 Slam seasons. Lol. When did his prime even end? Does anyone even know?

You know this is not some gotcha.

 

[mike danny]

Just remind them the Fed-Rafa H2H in the so called Fed prime years?

Djoko in his prime lost slam finals to Stan and Murray.

 

[The Sinner]

Yea I mean his RG win was an assist but yet his peak is way higher and that win is more impressive than anything Djokovic ever did at RG...allegedly. At least if Federer had some Rome and MC titles the argument would make more sense but definitely doesn't now. They're basing all of this on his win in 2011 but of course the 2012 win is meaningless.

He just has too much more than everyone on hardcourt. He's played way less matches on the surface than Federer and is leaving him far behind in wins over top players already, and the rest of the players are much farther back than Federer is.

Pretty sure the 2011 gets mentioned way more because it was one hell of a match. When you have two ATGs playing at that level with contrasting styles, it’s an instant classic and bound to capture the audience. In 2012 Fed played meh, people (including myself) were salivating over another classic match à la 2011, but it was far from it, therefore it fades from memory.

 

[MichaelNadal]

While I disagree, I did laugh

 

[fedfan24]

Crazy how Djokovic managed to get almost 400 weeks at #1 and 24 slams just in the last 3 years lol.

Oh, BTW, when he beat Ruud he had beaten Alcaraz before. He also beat Nadal at RG, something Federer never did. And Nadal could have beaten Berretini or someone else at Wimbledon if he wasn't busy losing to scrubs in the first week for half a decade.

Yeah, he lost at RG and W, so did Federer, Nadal and everyone else. The idea that he has to win every slam he plays is hilarious. You can discount those slams and he still has more than Federer BTW.

Cramping alcaraz, inured Nadal. Shame fed never got a crack at such poor versions of Nadal as 2015/2021. Djokovic luckiest of all time confirmed.

 

[Winners or Errors]

So surprised to see another thread begging people to crown Djoker GOAT.

 

[nolefam_2024]

So surprised to see another thread begging people to crown Djoker GOAT.

Begging

Only fools should beg. Nole is like Napoleon. He took the crown from Federer's head and placed it on yourself.

Beggers beg. Winners don't care about losers.

 

[Winners or Errors]

Begging

Only fools should beg. Nole is like Napoleon. He took the crown from Federer's head and placed it on yourself.

Beggers beg. Winners don't care about losers.

Then why the endless string of threads?

 

[NoleFam]

You know this is not some gotcha.

I didn't say it was.

 

[NoleFam]

Pretty sure the 2011 gets mentioned way more because it was one hell of a match. When you have two ATGs playing at that level with contrasting styles, it’s an instant classic and bound to capture the audience. In 2012 Fed played meh, people (including myself) were salivating over another classic match à la 2011, but it was far from it, therefore it fades from memory.

The point wasn't about the match itself but about one match not a decider that he is better, especially while excluding the 2012 match, when Djokovic is so much more accomplished on the surface both in titles and against the opposition.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

While I disagree, I did laugh

 

[MichaelNadal]

Then why the endless string of threads?

Bc they haven even convinced themselves yet with how ridiculous and unsatisfying those last few slams were

 

[nolefam_2024]

Bc they haven even convinced themselves yet with how ridiculous and unsatisfying those last few slams were

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[Subway Tennis]

The most damage you can do to your tennis enemies is stopping them from having a dominant surface or major in the first place.

It’s ridiculous the control Federer held over some of his rivals through the majority of his twenties.

Federer didn’t start with an advantage over a lot of the guys his age who won a major before he started, but he closed the gap so quickly. Probably stopped 4 different ATG careers from getting started in that six year period where he won everything on hardcourt and grass.

 

[MichaelNadal]

https://editions.covecollective.org/sites/default/files/gallery/Coronation.jpg

Unsatisfying, let’s battle again tomorrow, and the day after, and after