Damage done to your rivals at their pet slams.

[Phoenix*]

This gets glossed over.

The most damage you can inflict on your enemies in tennis is done by beating them at the slams they excel at: Wimbledon for Federer, Roland Garros for Nadal, Australian Open for Djokovic. To deny them a pet slam is to deny them a certain slam to their tally. To deny them a pet slam is to tarnish their legacy. To deny them a pet slam is to impose your greatness upon them at their strongest. To deny them a pet slam is to drag their beheaded bodies on the battlefield! Well, you get the point - it's a big deal.

Federer has done it once against Djokovic - Australian Open 2007, back when Djo hadn't won it yet, but let's give this one to Fed as he doesn't have a lot going on for him these days. He's never done it against Nadal. That's 1.

Nadal has done it once against Federer - Wimbledon 2008. He's never done it against Djokovic. That's also 1.

Djokovic, being the greatest of all time, has done it three times against Federer - Wimbledon 2014/2015/2019, and twice against Nadal - Roland Garros 2015/2021. That's 5!

Different tiers.

Discuss, but most likely - disgust.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Why do we talk only in the context of big-3? There were other players, who upset each one of them at their pet slam! Nadal is the least upset of the three (obviously) with only two losses to Djokovic and one to Soderling, but the other two had plenty of their own! Ones that come to mind the most are Djokovic's loss to Wawrinka in 2014 and Federer's to Stakhovsky less than year prior at the Wimbledon! But there were other bad losses too, Djoko's loss to Istomin in 2017 in particularly was real bad one (Yes i know that he was undergoing the worst period of his career at the time, no excuse losing to journeyman like Istomin though this much early in the tournament!) and Fed's loss to Anderson in 2018 too! Nadal was privileged not too suffer too many bad upsets at RG.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Most impressive

 

[nolefam_2024]

This gets glossed over.

The most damage you can inflict on your enemies in tennis is done by beating them at the slams they excel at: Wimbledon for Federer, Roland Garros for Nadal, Australian Open for Djokovic. To deny them a pet slam is to deny them a certain slam to their tally. To deny them a pet slam is to tarnish their legacy. To deny them a pet slam is to impose your greatness upon them at their strongest. To deny them a pet slam is to drag their beheaded bodies on the battlefield! Well, you get the point - it's a big deal.

Federer has done it once against Djokovic - Australian Open 2007, back when Djo hadn't won it yet, but let's give this one to Fed as he doesn't have a lot going on for him these days. He's never done it against Nadal. That's 1.

Nadal has done it once against Federer - Wimbledon 2008. He's never done it against Djokovic. That's also 1.

Djokovic, being the greatest of all time, has done it three times against Federer - Wimbledon 2014/2015/2019, and twice against Nadal - Roland Garros 2015/2021. That's 5!

Different tiers.

Discuss, but most likely - disgust.

Wrong.
Djokovic would be USOpen GOAT if he either dominated Federer (3 losses) or Nadal (2 losses). He only needs 2 titles to win this.

Federer's best slam, USOpen as well.
Damage done by Djokovic 2 times.
Djokovic's best slam could be USOpen as well.
Damage done by Nadal 2 times.


Be fair.

 

[jl809]

Ultimately yeah, only Nadal didn’t lose to or have consistent problems with the same player at his pet slam during his prime. Was taken to 5 by Djoker in 13, but that was it. He lost to Soderling but crushed him the other times they met

Whereas Djoker got taken to 5 by Stan 3 times and lost once of those at the AO (arguably should have lost in 13 with the line call too), plus was taken to 5 by Lendlray and Nadal in 2012, and Fed got taken to 5 in 07 needing to go beast mode to save BPs at the start of the 5th, then lost in 08 having to save a MP to stop him going down in 4, both to Nadal

 

[Phoenix*]

Ultimately yeah, only Nadal didn’t lose to or have consistent problems with the same player at his pet slam during his prime. Was taken to 5 by Djoker in 13, but that was it. He lost to Soderling but crushed him the other times they met

Whereas Djoker got taken to 5 by Stan 3 times and lost once of those at the AO (arguably should have lost in 13 with the line call too), plus was taken to 5 by Lendlray and Nadal in 2012, and Fed got taken to 5 in 07 needing to go beast mode to save BPs at the start of the 5th, then lost in 08 having to save a MP to stop him going down in 4

Nadal was straight setted at his pet slam in his prime by Djo.

Wrong.
Djokovic would be USOpen GOAT if he either dominated Federer (3 losses) or Nadal (2 losses). He only needs 2 titles to win this.

Federer's best slam, USOpen as well.
Damage done by Djokovic 2 times.
Djokovic's best slam could be USOpen as well.
Damage done by Nadal 2 times.


Be fair.

Federer: 8 Wimbledon, 5 USO. Wimbledon is his pet slam.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

It would certainly have been nice for Fed to get 2015 Nadal in 2009, amongst a myriad of other hypothetically balancing opportunities to alter these absolutely lifechanging stats.

 

[Underdog]

This gets glossed over.

The most damage you can inflict on your enemies in tennis is done by beating them at the slams they excel at: Wimbledon for Federer, Roland Garros for Nadal, Australian Open for Djokovic. To deny them a pet slam is to deny them a certain slam to their tally. To deny them a pet slam is to tarnish their legacy. To deny them a pet slam is to impose your greatness upon them at their strongest. To deny them a pet slam is to drag their beheaded bodies on the battlefield! Well, you get the point - it's a big deal.

Federer has done it once against Djokovic - Australian Open 2007, back when Djo hadn't won it yet, but let's give this one to Fed as he doesn't have a lot going on for him these days. He's never done it against Nadal. That's 1.

Nadal has done it once against Federer - Wimbledon 2008. He's never done it against Djokovic. That's also 1.

Djokovic, being the greatest of all time, has done it three times against Federer - Wimbledon 2014/2015/2019, and twice against Nadal - Roland Garros 2015/2021. That's 5!

Different tiers.

Discuss, but most likely - disgust.

If you think ‘15 and ‘21 versions of Nadal count as anything near his strongest, you must be out of your mind.
Same goes for that well post prime Federer. If anything, Federer held 2 MPs against 6 years younger Djokovic being almost 39.
Same goes for Djokovic ‘07 when he was well pre prime.
Only true victory per this perspective is the ‘08 WB Final.
Funny that you contested including Federer in 2007 because it was pre-prime Djokovic, but had no shame whatsoever to include Djokovic winning against both guys post-prime or/and injured.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nadal was straight setted at his pet slam in his prime by Djo.


Federer: 8 Wimbledon, 5 USO. Wimbledon is his pet slam.

USO would be Nole's pet slam if he didn't lose so many matches to fedal. It was ridiculous at one pt.

So yeah this looks like cherry picking.

 

[nolefam_2024]

If you think ‘15 and ‘21 versions of Nadal count as anything near his strongest, you must be out of your mind.
Same goes for that well post prime Federer. If anything, Federer held 2 MPs against 6 years younger Djokovic being almost 39.
Same goes for Djokovic ‘07 when he was well pre prime.
Only true victory per this perspective is the ‘08 WB Final.
Funny that you contested including Federer in 2007 because it was pre-prime Djokovic, but had no shame whatsoever to include Djokovic winning against both guys post-prime or/and injured.

2015 and 2021 Nadal not strongest or close to them.

2014 2015 Federer were very strong and no excuses can be made.

 

[GoatNo1]

Wrong.
Djokovic would be USOpen GOAT if he either dominated Federer (3 losses) or Nadal (2 losses). He only needs 2 titles to win this.

Federer's best slam, USOpen as well.
Damage done by Djokovic 2 times.
Djokovic's best slam could be USOpen as well.
Damage done by Nadal 2 times.


Be fair.

Feds 2nd best slam is AO and noles is W. USO is 2nd worse for both

 

[Underdog]

Nadal was straight setted at his pet slam in his prime by Djo.


Federer: 8 Wimbledon, 5 USO. Wimbledon is his pet slam.

Saying 2015 was prime Nadal is maybe the biggest cheating I’ve seen on TTW

 

[nolefam_2024]

Federer zero injuries. Zero mental issues vs Nole at that time.

Federer had won a grass title each coming to the Wimbledon while Nole suffered heartbreaking losses at RG each before coming to Wimbledon.

Federer with racket size 98 sq inch vs Nole's 96. Bigger racket to Federer.

Federer crushed Andy Murray in 2015. Federer crushed all the field in 2015 and almost did so in 2014 apart from a set loss to Wawrinka.

Nole took both matches by supreme movement. Really high quality tennis and Federer wouldn't play much better than that. Slightly better maybe but thats nitpicking.

 

[Phoenix*]

Saying 2015 was prime Nadal is maybe the biggest cheating I’ve seen on TTW

28/29 in 2015. As prime as you get in current era.

USO would be Nole's pet slam if he didn't lose so many matches to fedal. It was ridiculous at one pt.

So yeah this looks like cherry picking.

Their slam tallies are clear. Best slam is selected.

 

[Underdog]

28/29 in 2015. As prime as you get in current era.


Their slam tallies are clear. Best slam is selected.

Sure, mate, sure. Haha.
Djokovic was still prime when he got his ass handed to him by Istomin at the ‘17 AO, right? Good to know.

 

[Underdog]

Wrong.
Djokovic would be USOpen GOAT if he either dominated Federer (3 losses) or Nadal (2 losses). He only needs 2 titles to win this.

Federer's best slam, USOpen as well.
Damage done by Djokovic 2 times.
Djokovic's best slam could be USOpen as well.
Damage done by Nadal 2 times.


Be fair.

This is a good point. I strongly believe Djokovic is similar at WB and USO. Sure, he has +3 titles at WB, but he has more finals at the USO and, apart from 2023, didn’t have cakewalks. Djokovic had to face Prime Fedal way more at the USO as well.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Sure, mate, sure. Haha.
Djokovic was still prime when he got his ass handed to him by Istomin at the ‘17 AO, right? Good to know.

This is true. All the big 3 had bad losses in their prime. I mean I credit Nadal for his 2 wins against prime Djokovic at us open. All the big 3 have had their moments but also lost to lesser players in their primes as well.

 

[The Blond Blur]

The early and weaker versions of Joker usually got taken out at or before the QF so he wasn’t making it to Fedal tbh.

He has losses to Safin, Goldstein, Rawduck, Tsonga, Stanimal, IstoMUG, and Chung. And none of those guys are ATGs. I’d rather have losses to a GOAT candidate than multiple journeymen, but that’s just me.

 

[Underdog]

This is true. All the big 3 had bad losses in their prime. I mean I credit Nadal for his 2 wins against prime Djokovic at us open. All the big 3 have had their moments but also lost to lesser players in their primes as well.

I was actually being sarcastic. I don’t think Nadal was nowhere near his prime in 2015 nor was Djokovic by the start of 2017, despite both being 29. (The other dude said 29 was mandatory prime).

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I was actually being sarcastic. I don’t think Nadal was nowhere near his prime in 2015 nor was Djokovic by the start of 2017, despite both being 29. (The other dude said 29 was mandatory prime).

I actually credit istomin for his win a lot. Djokovic wasn’t injured or anything there and just won Doha 2017 beating Murray in final. For me istomin beat prime Djokovic and respect to him for that.

 

[Underdog]

This is true. All the big 3 had bad losses in their prime. I mean I credit Nadal for his 2 wins against prime Djokovic at us open. All the big 3 have had their moments but also lost to lesser players in their primes as well.

I actually think this is testimony that people saying Nadal dodges matchup is pure bs. During the 2015 Nadal slump, he faced Djokovic many times, both on clay and hard. Meanwhile, during the 2017 Djokovic slump, he was nowhere to be found.

 

[Phoenix*]

I actually think this is testimony that people saying Nadal dodges matchup is pure bs. During the 2015 Nadal slump, he faced Djokovic many times, both on clay and hard. Meanwhile, during the 2017 Djokovic slump, he was nowhere to be found.

Nadal dodged Djo in 2 slams just last year - W 2022 & AO 2023 [that he was supposed to "defend"]

Last match on the most common/main surface - 4 years ago.

 

[helterskelter]

Most impressive

You have controlled your fear. Now, release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I actually think this is testimony that people saying Nadal dodges matchup is pure bs. During the 2015 Nadal slump, he faced Djokovic many times, both on clay and hard. Meanwhile, during the 2017 Djokovic slump, he was nowhere to be found.

I agree. Us Djokovic fans could only say that if it was only Djokovic making it further at hard court slams every time. The fact is there is quite a few occasions Nadal made it further than Djokovic. Djokovic made it further more times but in 2009, 2014, 2017, 2018 when both in draw than Rafa made it further.

Whereas at french the only times Djokovic made it further when both in draw was by beating Rafa himself. It shows how dominant Rafa was at his pet slam compared to Fedovic pet slams.

 

[NoleFam]

The early and weaker versions of Joker usually got taken out at or before the QF so he wasn’t making it to Fedal tbh.

He has losses to Safin, Goldstein, Rawduck, Tsonga, Stanimal, IstoMUG, and Chung. And none of those guys are ATGs. I’d rather have losses to a GOAT candidate than multiple journeymen, but that’s just me.

Yea Safin ranked #4 and Djokovic at #188 playing in his 1st Slam match as a qualifier really tells us something. Lol

 

[RS]

Yea Safin ranked #4 and Djokovic at #188 playing in his Slam match as a qualifier really tells us something. Lol

So form counts to Djokovic fam?

 

[Underdog]

Nadal dodged Djo in 2 slams just last year - W 2022 & AO 2023 [that he was supposed to "defend"]

Last match on the most common/main surface - 4 years ago.

Dodged? Hahahah
Nadal sustained a career-ending injury in 2023 and you claim dodging.
In that 4-year period Nadal actually won two HC Slams, remember that.

 

[NoleFam]

So form counts to Djokovic fam?

What..?

 

[Phoenix*]

Dodged? Hahahah
Nadal sustained a career-ending injury in 2023 and you claim dodging.
In that 4-year period Nadal actually won two HC Slams, remember that.

Not my problem - he'll be known for dodging his master & being straight set for a decade.

 

[MichaelNadal]

You have controlled your fear. Now, release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me.

Whatever this is supposed to mean lol

 

[Underdog]

Not my problem - he'll be known for dodging his master & being straight set for a decade.

Yeah, only by cheaters such as you

 

[The Blond Blur]

Yea Safin ranked #4 and Djokovic at #188 playing in his Slam match as a qualifier really tells us something. Lol

I literally said the early versions dude, plus there’s 6 other matches listed. And in case you haven’t noticed the OP is a chronic troll and he made yet another troll thread. Make troll threads get troll responses

 

[RS]

What..?

I wasn't clear was I.

 

[NoleFam]

I literally said the early versions dude, plus there’s 6 other matches listed. And in case you haven’t noticed the OP is a chronic troll and he made yet another troll thread. Make troll threads get troll responses

Still, it shouldn't even be mentioned. Djokovic was a 17 year old kid and newbie in tennis. Safin was an established top 5 player. That loss doesn't tell us a thing.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Still, it shouldn't even be mentioned. Djokovic was a 17 year old kid and newbie in tennis. Safin was an established top 5 player. That loss doesn't tell us a thing.

Considering that the OP trolls on a daily basis it’s fair game. He’s calling 2015 part of RAFA’s prime in this very thread. And like I said there’s 6 other matches listed.

 

[Phoenix*]

Considering that the OP trolls on a daily basis it’s fair game. He’s calling 2015 part of RAFA’s prime in this very thread. And like I said there’s 6 other matches listed.

Calling me a troll won't unstraight set Nadal.

 

[Fabresque]

The early and weaker versions of Joker usually got taken out at or before the QF so he wasn’t making it to Fedal tbh.

He has losses to Safin, Goldstein, Rawduck, Tsonga, Stanimal, IstoMUG, and Chung. And none of those guys are ATGs. I’d rather have losses to a GOAT candidate than multiple journeymen, but that’s just me.

So you're gonna include #200 ranked Djokovic losing to #4 Safin (who won the tournament) in the first round?

Nadal was really good at RG but he was pig snot everywhere else. He's lost to players that I've never even heard of in Wimbledon.

 

[mike danny]

Had Djokovic not chickened out in 2009 and 2010, Fed would have 2 more AO victories over him.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Nadal winning Wimby was not only grabbing the slam that Fed supposedly owned, but was two top level, no excuse players creating one of the best, if not the best matches in tennis history.

Everything else is weak sauce comparatively.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Calling me a troll won't unstraight set Nadal.

And your constant trolling won’t take away all those losses to non-ATGs and journeymen at Joker’s pet schlem.

 

[helterskelter]

Whatever this is supposed to mean lol

Failure to spot a Star Wars quote is a sign of a well-spent youth.

 

[FeroBango]

Had Djokovic not chickened out in 2009 and 2010, Fed would have 2 more AO victories over him.

"Baby" Nole. Couldn't have counted no?

 

[mike danny]

2015 and 2021 Nadal not strongest or close to them.

2014 2015 Federer were very strong and no excuses can be made.

Gross exaggeration just to pump up Nole's wins.

 

[Phoenix*]

And your constant trolling won’t take away all those losses to non-ATGs and journeymen at Joker’s pet schlem.

Or Nadal's to Djo.

 

[The Blond Blur]

So you're gonna include #200 ranked Djokovic losing to #4 Safin (who won the tournament) in the first round?

Nadal was really good at RG but he was pig snot everywhere else. He's lost to players that I've never even heard of in Wimbledon.

I love how you guys troll all the time but get all uppity when you get a taste of your own medicine. You fixate on the Safin loss all you want but that still leaves 6 other losses to non-ATGs and journeymen. And now you’re having to pivot to other schlems when things aren’t going your way. We’re clearly talking pet schlems here.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Ultimately yeah, only Nadal didn’t lose to or have consistent problems with the same player at his pet slam during his prime

Whereas Djoker got taken to 5 by Stan 3 times and lost once of those at the AO (arguably should have lost in 13 with the line call too),

Wawrinka beat Djokovic in 2013 and took him to 5 in 2014 and 2015. Djokovic beat Nadal in 2015, took him to 5 in 2013 and 4 in 2014.

Hardly much of a difference there, we are talking about the same player and in a three-year span on both occasions. Wawrinka was able to take Djokovic to 5 in both defeats while in Djokovic's case, it was 5 in one and 4 in the other. But when Nadal lost it was in straights and when Djokovic lost it was also in 5.

 

[Phoenix*]

I love how you guys troll all the time but get all uppity when you get a taste of your own medicine. You fixate on the Safin loss all you want but that still leaves 6 other losses to non-ATGs and journeymen. And now you’re having to pivot to other schlems when things aren’t going your way. We’re clearly talking pet schlems here.

But Nadal couldn't do it. That's what matters and stings.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Or Nadal's to Djo.

I’ll take 2 out of prime losses to a GOAT candidate over 7 losses to non-ATGs and journeymen everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[Phoenix*]

I’ll take 2 out of prime losses to a GOAT candidate over 7 losses to non-ATGs and journeymen everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

Good for you. Goat discussions will always mention it though.

 

[The Blond Blur]

But Nadal couldn't do it. That's what matters and stings.

Joker was too busy chickening out hence the losses to Rawduck, IstoMUG, and Chung etc.