NoleFam
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True he shouldn't have lost that set but Nadal overall shouldn't have lost that match. He was up two sets to love and 4-1.
Definitive poll: best year of recent times, 2009 or 2012?
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True he shouldn't have lost that set but Nadal overall shouldn't have lost that match. He was up two sets to love and 4-1.
metsman
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They both choked the 2nd/third sets to a certain extent, but Federer did hit some clutch shots at the end of the third whereas the 2nd was more of a straight choke. Nadal did get extremely unlucky with that line call though, wasn't even close.
NoleFam
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Both sets were chokes in my opinion. Nadal got shafted on that line call.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Well, if federer had taken the 2nd set and Nadal the 3rd set, it'd still be 2-1 in sets to Nadal and chances are federer would still take it in 5 sets.
Federer was closer to winning the 2nd set than Nadal was to winning the 3rd set and blew it more than Nadal blew the 3rd set.
clout
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2009 probably, at least for the majors. The AO that year featured some of the greatest matches I've ever seen. RG had history written with Fed finally winning it and completing the career slam, of course the main headline had to of been the nadal upset which IMO is the biggest upset in tennis history and it isn't even close. Then at Wimbledon roddick turned back the clock and pushed RF to the absolute limit. The rise of del potro at the open was prob the most impressive as he had to complete mission impossible by beating Rafa and fed in back to back rounds at a major.
clout
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Plus no one really dominated over the field in the 2009 from start to finish. Nadal dominated for the first half, fed dominated in the middle then parity struck in the latter part of the year. Unlike federer from 2004-07 or nadal in 2008, 10 and 13 or djokovic in 2011/15, there was no legit alpha dog that year that was head and shoulders above the league, especially compared to the other years I mentioned above.
mike danny
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That's why 2009 and 2012 are the best years in recent times. Great parity in both years and many guys caused damage an got pieces of the pie.
clout
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For sure, I think 2009 takes the cake not only for parity and the incredible matches but as someone said earlier the league isn't just composed of 4 players (although it may seem like it). You had other guys who officially made their mark on the league like del potro, soderling and cilic to name a few, who at that time had sky level limits. Mixing it along with the veteran players who were able to salvage their careers like davydenko and roddick (or at least davydenko did, I mean I never thought roddick was all that great of a player but man I still feel so bad for him from that wimby match, how he lost that match I still dont know)
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Tiki-Taka
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Your rating of years solely depends on how good Federer has done in them.
Well yeah, they generally coincide with the best most fun tennis to watch for me and best fields. Likes of Hewitt, Roddick, Gonzo, Old Agassi, Blake, Nalbandian, Djokovic, Nadal etc all fun players to watch and such great eras.
All those years are way better than 08, 10, 13 lol.
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I would say the period was not 04-07, it was 03-07, Basically when the young guns stepped onto the big stage to fill the massive void that Sampras left behind the year before. 03 Ferrero, Federer, Roddick all realized their grand slam potential, it was the start of an exciting race to see who was going to be crowned the next top dog of tennis, Federer of course accelerated in 2004.
I agree, only let down was 06 but even then we had the classic Fedal matches on clay, Wimbledon and YEC, we had the Fed vs Nalbandian and Gonzalez at Madrid, Fed-Blake at YEC, Fed-Roddick at USO so it wasn't all bad/weak.
The other years were awesome and we had a great mix of styles and courts were still reasonably fast.
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Well by 06 Hewitt's injuries had done him in, Ferrero never recovered from chicken pox, Coria fell apart because of his shoulder and couldn't serve, Safin's prime had gone. Things were getting ready to change again...which we started to see in 07 when Djokovic ascended to fill in the gap.
tennis_pro
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Show me a year when everyone was at their peak throughout the entire season. Even Federer wasn't all that brilliant for a big chunk of 2009.
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2009 is the most epic year of them all because it was the year that everyone stepped up at one point or another.
clout
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You have a point. In that case, I think 2012 is the closest to every top player playing their best, but I think it's safe to say that claim ended when nadal went down with a injury after wimby.
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Which is why I chose 2009 as the most epic year in recent memory, slightly edging out 2012.
Rafa the King
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2009, too many epics in the latter rounds of slams and although Murrovic weren't at their best, the rise of Delpo and Sod as well as the great level of Davydenko contributed to an amazing year. Not to sound butthurt but Rafa's knees giving in at the most crucial time of the year (for him) did lessen the year. It would have been better if Fedal had played a couple of more big matches as it felt like Rafa's body just gave in and Fed profited rather than Fed really dethroning Rafa.
I'd like to make a case for 2008 as a great year despite popular belief that it isn't. The AO saw Fed's massive GS final run come to an end, Nole finally stepping up and Jo showing a ridiculous level. Nole and Davy then both respectively showed a great level to beat Rafa in IW and Miami. The claycourt season up to RG was really enjoyable IMO. Fedal at MC was a good level, Djokovic Wawa at Rome was awesome. Rafa produced to really enjoyable matches to win Hamburg. He played for the #2 in the semi and then won a very close final in which Fed twice gave a big lead away (choke). RG was the most brutal GS performance since Borg, it was Rafa's claycourt peak and his semi against Nole is his finest performance ever. Sham the final sucked but still iconic in a way. Rafa in Queens was just awesome, his qf in Wimbledon was as @metsman once beautifully said, "the finest performace at WIM by someone not named Federer in the last decade". The final is widely considered the GOAT match and the most iconic match of the greatest ever rivalry. Rafole at Olymlics was a thriller too, Rafa's great run stretching over clay/grass/Hc is probably his peak. 2008 also saw the coming of Murray. Fed broke loose at the USO against Andreev and proved the doubters wrong by claiming his 5th straight. Madrid and Paris were made spectacular by the French. Simon beating Rafa in a thriller and then just losing to Murray and Jo winning infront of his home crowd. Masters Cup lacked sadly. Awesome year still IMO
I'd like to make a case for 2008 as a great year despite popular belief that it isn't. The AO saw Fed's massive GS final run come to an end, Nole finally stepping up and Jo showing a ridiculous level. Nole and Davy then both respectively showed a great level to beat Rafa in IW and Miami. The claycourt season up to RG was really enjoyable IMO. Fedal at MC was a good level, Djokovic Wawa at Rome was awesome. Rafa produced to really enjoyable matches to win Hamburg. He played for the #2 in the semi and then won a very close final in which Fed twice gave a big lead away (choke). RG was the most brutal GS performance since Borg, it was Rafa's claycourt peak and his semi against Nole is his finest performance ever. Sham the final sucked but still iconic in a way. Rafa in Queens was just awesome, his qf in Wimbledon was as @metsman once beautifully said, "the finest performace at WIM by someone not named Federer in the last decade". The final is widely considered the GOAT match and the most iconic match of the greatest ever rivalry. Rafole at Olymlics was a thriller too, Rafa's great run stretching over clay/grass/Hc is probably his peak. 2008 also saw the coming of Murray. Fed broke loose at the USO against Andreev and proved the doubters wrong by claiming his 5th straight. Madrid and Paris were made spectacular by the French. Simon beating Rafa in a thriller and then just losing to Murray and Jo winning infront of his home crowd. Masters Cup lacked sadly. Awesome year still IMO
Rafa the King
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2009, too many epics in the latter rounds of slams and although Murrovic weren't at their best, the rise of Delpo and Sod as well as the great level of Davydenko contributed to an amazing year. Not to sound butthurt but Rafa's knees giving in at the most crucial time of the year (for him) did lessen the year. It would have been better if Fedal had played a couple of more big matches as it felt like Rafa's body just gave in and Fed profited rather than Fed really dethroning Rafa.
I'd like to make a case for 2008 as a great year despite popular belief that it isn't. The AO saw Fed's massive GS final run come to an end, Nole finally stepping up and Jo showing a ridiculous level. Nole and Davy then both respectively showed a great level to beat Rafa in IW and Miami. The claycourt season up to RG was really enjoyable IMO. Fedal at MC was a good level, Djokovic Wawa at Rome was awesome. Rafa produced to really enjoyable matches to win Hamburg. He played for the #2 in the semi and then won a very close final in which Fed twice gave a big lead away (choke). RG was the most brutal GS performance since Borg, it was Rafa's claycourt peak and his semi against Nole is his finest performance ever. Sham the final sucked but still iconic in a way. Rafa in Queens was just awesome, his qf in Wimbledon was as @metsman once beautifully said, "the finest performace at WIM by someone not named Federer in the last decade". The final is widely considered the GOAT match and the most iconic match of the greatest ever rivalry. Rafole at Olymlics was a thriller too, Rafa's great run stretching over clay/grass/Hc is probably his peak. 2008 also saw the coming of Murray. Fed broke loose at the USO against Andreev and proved the doubters wrong by claiming his 5th straight. Madrid and Paris were made spectacular by the French. Simon beating Rafa in a thriller and then just losing to Murray and Jo winning infront of his home crowd. Masters Cup lacked sadly. Awesome year still IMO
I'd like to make a case for 2008 as a great year despite popular belief that it isn't. The AO saw Fed's massive GS final run come to an end, Nole finally stepping up and Jo showing a ridiculous level. Nole and Davy then both respectively showed a great level to beat Rafa in IW and Miami. The claycourt season up to RG was really enjoyable IMO. Fedal at MC was a good level, Djokovic Wawa at Rome was awesome. Rafa produced to really enjoyable matches to win Hamburg. He played for the #2 in the semi and then won a very close final in which Fed twice gave a big lead away (choke). RG was the most brutal GS performance since Borg, it was Rafa's claycourt peak and his semi against Nole is his finest performance ever. Sham the final sucked but still iconic in a way. Rafa in Queens was just awesome, his qf in Wimbledon was as @metsman once beautifully said, "the finest performace at WIM by someone not named Federer in the last decade". The final is widely considered the GOAT match and the most iconic match of the greatest ever rivalry. Rafole at Olymlics was a thriller too, Rafa's great run stretching over clay/grass/Hc is probably his peak. 2008 also saw the coming of Murray. Fed broke loose at the USO against Andreev and proved the doubters wrong by claiming his 5th straight. Madrid and Paris were made spectacular by the French. Simon beating Rafa in a thriller and then just losing to Murray and Jo winning infront of his home crowd. Masters Cup lacked sadly. Awesome year still IMO
mike danny
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2006 was a bit similar to 2017. The guys who played well in 2004 an 2005, Hewitt, Safin and Agassi, all fell apart in 2006. Even Roddick fell apart until Cincy. Thus, other guys occupied the top spots in their place, like Blake, Ljubicic and Davydenko. Only Davydenko showed he was actually good and deserving of a top 5 position.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
2012.
(Big 4 swept the slams)
Australian open = Big 4 final = Djokovic bt Nadal
French open = Big 4 final = Nadal bt Djokovic
Wimbledon = Big 4 final = Federer bt Murray
US Open = Big 4 final = Murray bt Djokovic
Murray won the Olympics and at the time, that was a huge deal because love him or hate him. It felt like that might be the best thing he might ever win and i'm sure even the haters were happy for him and it was one hell of a performance from him too!
The top 10 that year were arguably the strongest top 10 we've had in ages. Ferrer/Tsonga/Berdych/Delpo all in the top 10
Strong season for Ferrer that year, he won the most titles that season.
Very strong WTF lineup which Nadal ruined by pulling out but it was still good!
(Big 4 swept the slams)
Australian open = Big 4 final = Djokovic bt Nadal
French open = Big 4 final = Nadal bt Djokovic
Wimbledon = Big 4 final = Federer bt Murray
US Open = Big 4 final = Murray bt Djokovic
Murray won the Olympics and at the time, that was a huge deal because love him or hate him. It felt like that might be the best thing he might ever win and i'm sure even the haters were happy for him and it was one hell of a performance from him too!
The top 10 that year were arguably the strongest top 10 we've had in ages. Ferrer/Tsonga/Berdych/Delpo all in the top 10
Strong season for Ferrer that year, he won the most titles that season.
Very strong WTF lineup which Nadal ruined by pulling out but it was still good!
metsman
G.O.A.T.
Federer dominated 09 just as much as Nadal dominated 08. Nadal's stretch from clay court season to Toronto was fantastic, but Federer was better at AO/USO/WTF. Only difference is that there are 3 clay masters vs 0 on grass.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012 are probably the best years, with 2009 and 2012 occupying the top 2 spots.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
2008 was a fantastic year, and changing of the guard moments in sports are always very memorable even if it's your guy getting ousted. 2005/2009 just had so many 5 set epics, we were all spoiled.
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2009 was just insane.
AO 2009 Nadal and Verdasco blow the roof off of Rod Laver arena and that is followed up by Fedal final, which imo had far superior shot making than W 08 final
Murray was on a role early in the year, he beat Nadal in that intense Abu Dhabi final, despite it being an exho, it was crazy high level
The Nadal v Djokovic clay court trilogy, you will be hard pressed to find a better clay trilogy in a single season than that one. Madrid 09 semi was simply iconic.
The rise and rise of Del Potro, taking Federer to hell and back in RG 09 semi, and then beating him in USO final
Federer winning RG and W, career slam and slam record - historic
RG was brutally competitive, The shock of the century Soderling beating Nadal, but then two epic semis both five setters
Murray steps up on grass big time, winning Queens
Wimbledon and Roddick and Hewitt shining brightly one last time, Hewitt taking Del Potro out, then Roddick v Hewitt five set classic, Roddick also beats in form Murray and pushed Federer all the way in the final
Davydenko rising, goes on an absolute tear in the fall season winning Shanghai, then beating the AO, RG, W and USO champions on route to the WTF title
Djokvoic beating Federer in his backyard of Basel
The REAL slam - Cincy, having all of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray in the semis.
What a year, and so many players stepping up. No one single player was allowed to dominate at any one time, they faced stiff competition at every big event. Best year I have seen for sheer quality and quantity of matches.
SeeingDusk
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SeeingDusk
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2005 ftw
There I said it, 2005 is a recent year for me.
See above.
I think Fed having mono and declining kinda puts 2008 down in a lot of Fed fans eyes. Still a good year, I’d put it above 2010 and 2013 certainly.
clout
Hall of Fame
IMO I think the whole span between 2007-2013 were truely the golden years of the sport. I mean these were the years where all members of the big 4 were playing at a tremendous level, as they were constantly obliterating the reamainder of the field by winning everything in sight with a pretty even distribution well. Even more impressive was how the rest of the top 10 were pretty good as well. Players like ferrer, tsonga, Berdych, wawrinka, roddick, soderling, and del potro (when healthy) were all playing well during this stretch and were consistent threats at big tourneys but they were simply not good enough for the big four. Also, basically all of the classic matches and historical moments of this gen took place during that span. Of course that's just my opinion, others can definitely disagree but based on my opinion and what I watched, those years brought tennis to unprecedented heights.
TheAssassin
Legend
I see. Very interesting dot.
Rafa the King
Hall of Fame
Rafa's knees do the same for 09 but oh well, already spoiled as a fan by that magical AO SF-F
Good point and that USO run helped make up for epic Wimbledon loss.
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Out of the so-called strong years 2008-2009, 2011-2013, that so many speak about here, my personal order is
2009, 2012, 2008, 2011, 2013
I put 2008 above 2011 because while 2011 was incredibly impressive, it was about one man's dominance over all. 2008 had a much more distributed feel about it. 2013 I put last of these five strong years because Federer was a non-factor for most of it and we never saw Nadal v Murray, who were the two of the main in form players of that year.
2009, 2012, 2008, 2011, 2013
I put 2008 above 2011 because while 2011 was incredibly impressive, it was about one man's dominance over all. 2008 had a much more distributed feel about it. 2013 I put last of these five strong years because Federer was a non-factor for most of it and we never saw Nadal v Murray, who were the two of the main in form players of that year.
Yea I think if Fed had won USO or something and Nadal had a couple of wins over Djokovic, 2011 would be seen as one of the best years. Certainly one of my favourites for quality of play.
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Only thing is Rafa had a garbage SF opponent at Wimbledon in 2008; but it happens.
I mean Rainer was 32 at the time and barely a top 100 player. The guy is a joke around here at his peak in 2003-2004 so you can only imagine how weak he'd be in 2008.
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It is a matter of opinion really. I do like watching domination also, but just feel that when more of the top players are getting a piece of the pie, it feels like a much closer race between them. Strange really, because 2011 was a year that will never be forgotten, but I rate 2008 over it.
TheFifthSet
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You are Schrödinger's Poster: you say so much, and yet nothing at all. Your posts are utterly devoid of content. Just empty, snide, verbose musings.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
But you have to admire his perseverance.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Fixed it.
Same here love 04-07 as much as I do 03,09,12,17 and 11.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Let's not exaggerate. If we divide the season into 5 parts: spring HC (AO, IW, Miami), clay, grass, summer HC (Canada, Cincy, USO), fall HC, Murray was only a factor for two of them: spring HC (Brisbane W, AO F, Miami W) and grass, where he reigned with a perfect record (Queens W, Wimbledon W), but elsewhere Murray was a non-factor at the top level that year, failing to a win a single set in three tour QFs he's made.
That's the thing, it was pretty much a duopoly: Djokoray at AO & Miami (Nadal absent at AO and gave w/o to Murray in Miami), Djokodal on clay (Murray out of form, then skipped RG), Djokoray on grass (Nadal not winning a single match), Djokodal in Canada & USO (Murray out of form, ending the season early afterwards), and Djokovic alone in the fall. Occasional sightings of del GOATro (IW, Wimby, Shanghai) & Slamrinka (AO, USO) were great (special mention to peak Botsner in Cincinnati), but not numerous compared to such 'second tier' performances in '07-'09, while '11-'12 had Big 4 at their collective strongest.
DRII
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yet they're clearly significant enough for you to waste your time and mine retorting.
here's a hint, if you're going to try and insult someone's opinion, make sure not to contradict your very own non-existent point when doing so.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nadal did not give a walkover to Murray, he simply did not play Miami. The walkover occurred in 2012.
TheFifthSet
Legend
You entered this thread only to disparage/mock people. You got the same treatment in return (except what I said actually describes you to a T). So, not the least bit contradictory. I apologize if the Golden Rule is too radical a concept for you.
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SeeingDusk
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I see. Very interesting dot.
It was supposed to say "old-erer"
. But somehow, the lag, and edit resulted that comment into a ".".
NatF
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You solidfy my point. We never got to see inform Murray v inform Nadal at any point in 2013. Both had great form for two slams each, but the other was no where in sight. We all wanted to see the Lendlized Murray v Nadal, never got it. It was Djokovic who was the constant that year for both. When two of the guys who hold three of the slams of that season do not even meet once anywhere, it takes a little bit off the year for me.
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Funny how the guy who likes your post stands up for 1996-1999, no doubt the absolute WORST period in men's tennis bar none.
SpinToWin
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No way for me the 2012 AO goes over the '09.
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