Djokovic 19 consecutive sets won on hard.
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ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
Rafa is also currently on a 7 set losing streak against Old Senile Federer on HC.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
No need to apologize and you are not wrong.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
And possibly number 1 of all time on all surfaces soon. Which is what actually matters.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Well don't the general public say Federer is the GOAT with most slams?
Slams are the biggest thing in tennis. No debate there.
No one cared about Sampras's masters record, H2H, weeks at number 1 etc when he won his 13th slam.
The same standards apply to everyone.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Also it didn't matter that Sampras had 0 RG titles when he became the all time slam holder.
Therefore your comment about Nadal being a distant third on grass or HC means nothing.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
I have my standard. I don't let people tell me what to think. I didn't even think Federer was the GOAT with 20 slams...
I don't think Nadal is close to being the best of all times, being the third of his era on 2 of the 3 main surfaces, and never dominating all year as much as two of his contemporaries (his best season is sixth at best in this era). And he doesn't even have the slam record yet.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Sampras was a complete player for his era.
Sampras was the best of his era on 2 of the 3 main surfaces.
Nadal is the third of his era on 2 of the 3 main surfaces.
And I don't think Sampras was the GOAT, btw.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
There is no credibility with Nadal GOAT talk if he continues to build his resume on clay and avoiding /losing against Djokovic and Fed
38 year fed defeated Djokovic in straights a month ago
38 year fed defeated Djokovic in straights a month ago
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Not to mention that he still hasn't achieved back to back seasons as Year End number 1 or back to back multi-slam seasons either.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I think if the slam record holder had ALL their titles from one Slam that would matter because ability to win on all surfaces is part of the game. But Rafa's won enough off clay for it not to matter.
Naturally if they end up 20 all I will argue that Fed's better distribution should count for more!! But it's not really a legit argument.
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So if a 7 foot servebot wins 21 Wimbledons, he becomes the GOAT? What a ridiculous argument.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
And Nadal's last victory over his pigeon Federer outside clay was AO 2014. Bizarre.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Weeks at #1 & WTF titles though. I know some here argue they are only tie-breakers but I mean 100 more weeks and 6-0 WTFs are big gaps.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
6.5 years against Djokovic, 6 years against Federer. That is a long time.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Wow. 
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think these types of stats matter all that much. Of course sets translate into matches, but when one guy is #1 and is 3 slams ahead of the guy in question then "consecutive sets won on a HC" doesn't really factor into the equation. A stat for wikipedia warriors as it is.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Nadal's best streak on clay is 8 sets against Djokovic and 8 sets against Federer.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol, such pathetic trolling from you, Clarky. He has as many year end number 1 seasons as Djokovic. Who cares when exactly did they happen.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Best post in this thread.
augustobt
Legend
what kind of logic is that?
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Complete dominance on hard court.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Such funny stats. And when exactly did prime Nadal have the chance to play past their prime Federer or Djokovic so many times? During his prime he always had to play against their best versions with the exception of 2013 Federer.
Madrid 2010
Miami 2011
RG 2011
AO 2012
IW 2012
IW 2013
Rome 2013
Cincy 2013
YEC 2013
AO 2014
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah, keep trolling.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer was in good form in many of these matches. Comparing to current Nadal who can barely move is a joke.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Winning the most slams would not mean Nadal is number 1 of all time on all surfaces.
I’ll give you RG 2011. The rest were not prime Federer at all. Nadal had the clear advantage on all those clay and slow HC meetings.
I excluded YEC 2010/2011, and 2017 too to make things fair.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
It doesn't matter how he wins. If he wins 21 slams hes the best.
Even more ridiculous that you think a style of play means they cant be goat.
Born_to_slice
Legend
Djokovic needs to play with same aggression against everyone else. He'd smash the tour to bits.
victorcruz
Hall of Fame
Djoko very well might be the HC goat. While Rafa is great enough to beat most anyone else on HC, he isn't putting any dents into Djoko or Fed for the last bunch of years. But we all know in his prime he was winning a good % of them. No need to bash someone that hasn't aged as well as them.
I don't care about him getting trounced in non slams. He got rekt at the AO and that hurt. But that's about it. If he can win a few more slams, I'll be good with that.
I don't care about him getting trounced in non slams. He got rekt at the AO and that hurt. But that's about it. If he can win a few more slams, I'll be good with that.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
| 6‑Jan‑2020 | ATP Atp Cup | Hard | F | 2 | 1 | Djokovic d. Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 6-2 7-6(4) | 1.63 |
| 14‑Jan‑2019 | Australian Open | Hard | F | 1 | 2 | (1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 6-3 6-2 6-3 | 2.40 |
| 7‑Mar‑2016 | Indian Wells Masters | Hard | SF | 1 | 5 | (1)Djokovic d. (4)Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 7-6(5) 6-2 | 1.43 |
| 4‑Jan‑2016 | Doha | Hard | F | 1 | 5 | (1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 6-1 6-2 | 2.35 |
| 15‑Nov‑2015 | Tour Finals | Hard | SF | 1 | 5 | (1)Djokovic d. (5)Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 6-3 6-3 | 1.91 |
| 5‑Oct‑2015 | Beijing | Hard | F | 1 | 8 | (1)Djokovic d. (3)Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 6-2 6-2 | 1.50 |
| 19‑Mar‑2014 | Miami Masters | Hard | F | 2 | 1 | (2)Djokovic d. (1)Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 6-3 6-3 | 1.97 |
| 4‑Nov‑2013 | Tour Finals | Hard | F | 2 | 1 | (2)Djokovic d. (1)Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 6-3 6-4 | 1.43 |
| 30‑Sep‑2013 | Beijing | Hard | F | 1 | 2 | (1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP] | 6-3 6-4 | 2.81 |
Look at those dominance ratios, damn....
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Nope, you're spot on.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Wow. Since the 2013 US Open final, Nadal hasn't taken a SINGLE set off Djokovic in any of their 9 subsequent meetings on hardcourt!!!
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
But isn't it pointless these stats ? It would be one thing if he hasn't beaten them anywhere in years , but tennis is played on many surfaces that suit different players, and Nadal has wins over them both in 2019.
It doesn't matter if it's on clay or grass for anyone who just enjoys tennis.
It's not a secret Nadal has never been as good a HC or grass player than the other 2 in his whole career.
The fact remains he was the only one able to dethrone Fed on grass, and he has beaten prime Djokovic on HCs.
He may look lost nowadays, but hasn't this gotten out of control how everything is seemingly only geared to HC stats ?
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
It's not about all surfaces. It's about grand slam wins.
We wouldn't be discussing this is Nadal had 12 wimbledon titles instead of RG titles, I'm pretty sure.
and not even top 5 indoors
in 2000/02 Sampras became the GOAT on 3 of the 4 surfaces (most Wimbledons, joint most US opens in the open era, + most YEs and 6 YE number ones), bit of a difference to being best on one surface and unable to win the YE, and much as i love what Nadal did at W08, he wouldnt have won Wimbledon ever if the grass hadnt been slowed down. + Sampras is still better than Nadal on 3 of the 4 surfaces and 3 of the 4 slams
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
It's not pointless. It's interesting.
I don't think anyone's saying Djokovic is now GOAT because of this, or that Rafa now isn't. It's just a noteworthy stat worth talking about.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Beatings.
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