Djokovic and Nadal and the fight to finish the season No. 1

MichaelNadal

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octobrina10 said:
In the Eastern hemisphere.
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Sport said:
You mean Djokovic confirmed as top two thanks to their withdrawal. Nadal was already confirmed as top two regardless of what Federer and Medvedev could bring from now on. Even if Federer (or Medvedev) had won both the Paris Masters 1000 and the ATP finals, and Nadal had skipped both tournaments, Nadal would finish the year over them.
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Yes, you are right. Good point.
 
TearTheRoofOff

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kevaninho said:
Well who else is winning 2 slams and 2 Masters on different surfaces, that deserves it more?
With a 3rd slam final, and a SF at the other.

Fed having match points at Wimbledon and winning a Masters doesn't cut it.
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Detailing the prerequisite for the amusement merely sustains it.
 
UnderratedSlam

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BeatlesFan said:
Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal and the fight to finish the tennis season No. 1
  • Peter Bodo ESPN.com Staff Writer

If you didn't know better, you might be hard-pressed to believe that top-ranked Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal are in the throes of a struggle with enormous implications for their respective legacies.

Should Nadal win the Paris Masters for the first time in his career this week, he will lock down year-end No. 1 honors for a fifth time, joining the elite company of Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer -- and Djokovic. The top-seeded Djokovic has even more riding on the outcome of the next few weeks. If Nadal stumbles on the hard courts, Djokovic could join Sampras as a six-time, year-end No. 1.

Yet there they were a week ago on Sunday, in far-flung Kazakhstan, with Djokovic acting as a foil to Nadal in an exhibition benefiting Nadal's foundation. ("I can't thank him enough," Nadal said.) Then, after arriving on Sunday in Paris, the men ignored a deep pool of talent and selected each other as practice partners.

"It was actually very unusual because we haven't practiced for years," Djokovic said of their practice session. "It was strange because when I see him across the net, that means I'm playing him probably semifinals or finals of a big event. This time it was a practice session. But nevertheless, the intensity was like a match."

The coming weeks might have a significant impact on their legacies. Neither man is as cavalier as he has been in the past about the importance of rankings, especially the prestigious year-end No. 1 honors.

"With my age and with my goals, I cannot lose energy or time to [chase] the No. 1 ranking," Nadal said after winning the US Open. "I need to think about my career in a different way." Djokovic was in a comparable situation late in 2016, with Andy Murray drawing ever closer in his rearview mirror. (Murray eventually locked down the top ranking by beating Djokovic in the final match of the ATP year.)

"I don't think about [the rankings] as a priority now," Djokovic said back then. "From my perspective, I don't think about that. I think about something else that is more important."

Nadal is in the lead at this stage. While Djokovic remains No. 1 in the official 52-week rolling rankings, Nadal leads in the important year-to-date points race. He has a cushion of 1280 points (a Masters Series title is worth 1000), with no points dropping off in the coming weeks. This is why he will also take over the top ranking in the 52-week scheme after next week, no matter what happens in Paris. The bind for Djokovic is that he has to defend some 680 points from last year's results in Paris and London (the tour finals). He won't be able to gain a large number of points the way Nadal might.

"I have to win all of my matches till the end of the season, which I'm aware of," Djokovic said in Paris. "But it also depends on him, how he does. So these kind of calculations are never really great for the mentality of a player, and they take away vital energy that you need to use for your performance. I prefer not [to] really think about it too much."

The fall fails in Paris are hardly surprising. By this time of year, Nadal is usually wildly successful, heavy-legged, injured or incapable of marshaling the energy -- or interest -- in solving the indoor hard-court puzzle. He hasn't won a title on indoor hard courts since 2005, and has claimed a grand total of just two in his 84 tournament wins. He hasn't done much better at the year-ending tour finals. Nadal managed to grind his way to the finals at the year-end championships twice, losing on both occasions to his career rivals -- Federer in 2010, and Djokovic in 2013.

By contrast, Djokovic is the all-time leader in wins (32) at the Paris Masters. He's powered his way to the title a record four times. His results at the tour finals have been equally -- if not more -- impressive due to the quality of the competition in the field comprised of the top eight performers of the year. Djokovic has claimed the title five times, one shy of the record held by Federer, going back 11 years. Three of those wins have been over the record holder. Djokovic also stopped Nadal in the 2013 final. So he's got good reason to think he's still in the game.

Don't let the recent fraternal interactions of Djokovic and Nadal fool you. Both men are deadly serious about the coming weeks, and understand full well the impact the Paris and year-end events could have on their legacies.
Nadal has put himself in position to complete a career year. But he might have to get past a practice partner named Djokovic to achieve it.

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You meant wildly unsuccessful, not wildly successful...
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
How the hell Djokovic managed to up his game so drastically from Wednesday, I don't understand.

He could win Paris again. No 1 race would be his, unless Rafa reached the finale.
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I seriously doubt Djokovic is good enough to do that.
Djokovic isn't even as good as Rafa on hardcourts anymore.
Not that Djokovic is a loser or a degenerate, he's just very beatable on hardcourts these days.....while Rafa is 24-2 on hardcourts this year :)
 
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Rafa likely to reach final now. I would rate his chances against this version of Tsonga and then Shapo most likely. If Rafa reaches final here in Paris and Djokovic wins it defeating Rafa in final then entering WTF Nadal would still have a lead of 880 points.

Now if Nadal reaches final in WTF, its over for Djokovic even if he wins it undefeated. But Nadal must reach final in case of Djokovic winning it undefeated.

If Djokovic wins it with one RR loss.. Nadal reaching SF undefeated would be enough. But if Rafa reaches SF with one loss then loses in SF than Djokovic will end year as no 1 with the margin of just 20 points..!!

Equations would have been much more favorable for Nadal if he reaches to WTF with lead of 910 points than 880..
 
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Lleytonstation

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Yep, this looks over to me. Even with a Djoker win. Rafa will be in the final. Game over, unless Rafa loses 2 out of 3 at WTF.
 
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Lleytonstation

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I had made some calculation errors in my post.. have corrected it in my post but you quoted it before I could make these changes.
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UnQuoted it, but I truly do think Rafa is still riding the high from USO and is now fresh. Djoker looks to be going through the motions. So it is Rafa's to lose.
 
titoelcolombiano

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Rafa's got this.

Djokovic needs to have a perfect run through Canada and WTF, which is certainly possible, but one slip up and YE # 1 is gone. Even if Djoker wins both Rafa can still take YE # 1 by being runner up at both.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
Disagree. The surface in Paris is very fast according to Blake, Becker and several players int he draw. Nadal has never thrived in fast indoor conditions, Djokovic has won countless tournaments on this type of surface. If Djokovic wins Paris and Nadal goes out early at the YEC (or Paris), then YE #1 is Novak's.
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So if by some miracle Nadal makes the final or wins, would that mean that they're all wrong?
 
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Bender said:
So if by some miracle Nadal makes the final or wins, would that mean that they're all wrong?
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Yes they're all wrong, and Montreal has 43.6 cpi, already dispelling the myth of Rafa not enjoying fast courts :)
 
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