Djokovic v Nadal - Race to YE#1 2018

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
That's right and while I was wrong about the number of Majors, I haven't changed my opinion and still stay behind the arguments I listed in that post. I don't believe he will surpass either of them, when it comes to the number of Majors.

And, dude, you can pull up any post you want, it's not like I'm ashamed of what I wrote or that I won't admit that I got wrong (which you and this guy Nalby seem to imply).


Imo, his serve, as an isolated shot, was not a great weapon, but he compensated it with the other parts of his game, thus his stats was superior anyway.

Enjoy your victory.

You were wrong about the number of majors, about him winning in his 30s and about having a year like Fedal did last year but who's counting? :D As far as what may happen in the future, who knows but I never put a ceiling on any ATG no matter who they are. I never did it with Fedal and I definitely won't be doing it with Djokovic. But it's all good and no harm done really. :cool: Thanks man.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Novak said he might play a tournament before Paris, perhaps to lock down No. 1.

Does this sound like a good idea?
 
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Deleted member 512391

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You were wrong about the number of majors, about him winning in his 30s and about having a year like Fedal did last year but who's counting? :D As far as what may happen in the future, who knows but I never put a ceiling on any ATG no matter who they are. I never did it with Fedal and I definitely won't be doing it with Djokovic. But it's all good and no harm done really. :cool: Thanks man.
He he, that's some nice gloating there. But fair enough, enjoy your moment.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
I understand Martin J. He just doesn't want to jinx Djokovic. He cares too much.
 
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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't believe in jinxes and I certainly don't listen to an old Yugoslav communist like you, who had been hiding in his cave while Djokovic was in a slump.
LOL :D

Good to see you back. :)

What do you think of Fed's future? Hasn't looked very good in a while but you never know if he will channel the GOATness in himself again.
 
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Deleted member 512391

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LOL :D

Good to see you back. :)

What do you think of Fed's future? Hasn't looked very good in a while but you never know if he will channel the GOATness in himself again.
Thanks, bro. It wasn't a long break, though, just been very busy at work. :)

Regarding Fed, you never know, but he's been on and off during the whole season, so it's hard to predict anything. I want to believe that he has another shot at a Major, but it doesn't look promising at the moment.

What about you, are you celebrating this success? :p
 
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Deleted member 77403

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He's probably saving that just in case Rafa decides to. If Rafa doesn't play Vienna, he probably won't.

Something tells me that Rafa will not play Vienna, because that would mean he would undoubtedly have to play Novak there, since that is where both would go next. I do not think Nadal will want to play Djokovic there, so IMO he will sit out until Paris, which works for Novak also, allowing him to rest and then come in fully charged for Paris.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Something tells me that Rafa will not play Vienna, because that would mean he would undoubtedly have to play Novak there, since that is where both would go next. I do not think Nadal will want to play Djokovic there, so IMO he will sit out until Paris, which works for Novak also, allowing him to rest and then come in fully charged for Paris.

Yea I don't think he will play it either. Plus that will be extra wear and tear on a questionable knee. He will probably only want to play Paris and WTF, and hopefully be healthy for them.
 
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Deleted member 77403

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Yea I don't think he will play it either. Plus that will be extra wear and tear on a questionable knee. He will probably only want to play Paris and WTF, and hopefully be healthy for them.

Yep. Do not expect Djokodal on the tennis court until Paris now. All eyes for now will be on Federer and the defense of his Basel title.
 
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Deleted member 756486

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Djokovic surely has YE#1 in the bag now. Nadal ain’t doing jack at Paris or WTF.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Basel and Vienna should both be fun. Both are gonna be very important with the eyes on the WTF qualification and seedings for the Australian Open next year.

The YE#1 chase is all but over in my eyes. I just don't see how Nadal could do better than Djokovic in the remaining tournaments.
 
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Deleted member 756486

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Do we even know if Nadal is playing any more matches this year?
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Basel is always a fun tournament. One of the best 500s on the tour. And it would be nice to switch gears for a bit, before the final push in Paris and London. That is where it will all get settled.

Yea I love Basel every year to be honest. It seems like it will be even more competitive this year with so many top players entered.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Novak said he might play a tournament before Paris, perhaps to lock down No. 1.

Does this sound like a good idea?

Nah, he's got Paris and WTF to secure 35 more points than Nadal, and Nadal has never done that well in either event relatively speaking. Winning a 500 would be a nice buffer but he has to go all out to win it to really be of use, but he's favourite for the WTF and really if Nadal manages to do better he's sort of earned the number 1
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks, bro. It wasn't a long break, though, just been very busy at work. :)

Regarding Fed, you never know, but he's been on and off during the whole season, so it's hard to predict anything. I want to believe that he has another shot at a Major, but it doesn't look promising at the moment.

What about you, are you celebrating this success? :p
Personally I am mostly happy that he is playing much better now. Titles were always going to come as a result of that improvement since Novak's quality is unquestionable. It's not "painful" to watch him anymore, and that's the biggest plus.

I would lie if I said I/we didn't celebrate the Wimbledon win though. It was really special because in that moment it was at least a temporary end of his suffering, and simply because it's Wimbledon. That semifinal in particular was huge. I didn't even watch the second day of it but me and my friend were really tense when we were doing something else at the time, because we knew from the occasional peeking at flashscore that the match was going back and forth in the decider. And you know how brutal exchanges between Djokovic and Nadal can be so just picturing how their match looked like was a nightmare. :D
 
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Deleted member 512391

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Personally I am mostly happy that he is playing much better now. Titles were always going to come as a result of that improvement since Novak's quality is unquestionable. It's not "painful" to watch him anymore, and that's the biggest plus.

I would lie if I said I/we didn't celebrate the Wimbledon win though. It was really special because in that moment it was at least a temporary end of his suffering, and simply because it's Wimbledon. That semifinal in particular was huge. I didn't even watch the second day of it but me and my friend were really tense when we were doing something else at the time, because we knew from the occasional peeking at flashscore that the match was going back and forth in the decider. And you know how brutal exchanges between Djokovic and Nadal can be so just picturing how their match looked like was a nightmare. :D
Yeah, that win in the SF at Wimbledon was huge for Novak. It definitely gave him wings and boosted his confidence for the future events. Honestly, I didn't expect him to go all the way after that loss at Queen's, not because of the loss itself, but because of the way he lost - he folded mentally.
How could you not watch the second day, it was arguably the most important match Djokovic played since the 2016 FO final? :D Though it's easier sometimes just to follow the livescore and spare yourself from the tension of watching a live match.
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
The real race is between Federer and Del Potro.Will Federer be able to end this year in Top 3.Given his form it is not very likely.
 

Dilexson

Hall of Fame
Personally I am mostly happy that he is playing much better now. Titles were always going to come as a result of that improvement since Novak's quality is unquestionable. It's not "painful" to watch him anymore, and that's the biggest plus.

I would lie if I said I/we didn't celebrate the Wimbledon win though. It was really special because in that moment it was at least a temporary end of his suffering, and simply because it's Wimbledon. That semifinal in particular was huge. I didn't even watch the second day of it but me and my friend were really tense when we were doing something else at the time, because we knew from the occasional peeking at flashscore that the match was going back and forth in the decider. And you know how brutal exchanges between Djokovic and Nadal can be so just picturing how their match looked like was a nightmare. :D
It is special to see a guy coming back from the bottom to achieve something, much more than that if you're a fan obviously. I got to see that as a tennis fan at AO 2017. None of the slams that followed including the 8th Wimbledon felt that good.
Congrats on your guy's win. It'll be a well deserved year end #1 if he gets that.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, that win in the SF at Wimbledon was huge for Novak. It definitely gave him wings and boosted his confidence for the future events. Honestly, I didn't expect him to go all the way after that loss at Queen's, not because of the loss itself, but because of the way he lost - he folded mentally.
How could you not watch the second day, it was arguably the most important match Djokovic played since the 2016 FO final? :D Though it's easier sometimes just to follow the livescore and spare yourself from the tension of watching a live match.
I'm curious as to how Djoko vs. Rafa unfolds in 2019 (should they meet in 2018, Djoko is a firm, firm favorite).
But that Wimbledon-match was some of the best tennis, I've seen Rafa play in recent years. And he went toe to toe with Novak despite Novak is the better grass player and had a roof to boot. Can he do that on HC too or will we get back to Djoko winning everywhere vs. Rafa with clay being 50-50? If Rafa is to win, he'll need the aggression he showed at Wimbledon.
 
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Deleted member 77403

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I think Djokovic should skip Vienna, he needs to rest and this tournament is not important enough. As for Nadal, I think he should play it because he must be a little rusty so playing a tournament before Paris would increase his chances of winning Paris imo.



That's a shame. I really feel sorry for him.

If Nadal plays Vienna, then I am certain Djokovic will play also. That is why Djokovic hasn't ruled it out completely, he will be waiting for Nadal to make the first move.
 
Prediction: Nadal will either skip the rest of the season, or his "knee condition" will hinder him from finishing the season, if Novak shows up in good form in Vienna and Bercy.

:cool:
 
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Deleted member 762343

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If Nadal plays Vienna, then I am certain Djokovic will play also. That is why Djokovic hasn't ruled it out completely, he will be waiting for Nadal to make the first move.

I don't know, I feel like he just didn't "rule out" Vienna because he doesn't want to look like a player that has disdain for small events. He also "considered" playing Beijing but he didn't do it and we all knew he had no intention of doing so. But maybe you're right after all.
 
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Deleted member 77403

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I don't know, I feel like he just didn't "rule out" Vienna because he doesn't want to look like a player that has disdain for small events. He also "considered" playing Beijing but he didn't do it and we all knew he had no intention of doing so. But maybe you're right after all.

I do see your point, and there is some truth in it that I do agree with - the being polite part, but historically Djokovic doesn't play Vienna, and the only reason it is being mentioned now is because of the battle to finish world number one. I am sure Vienna understands this. Beijing is a little different, Djokovic is its greatest champion, has always played there, it is kind of like Nadal and Barcelona in a way. He'd want to show that Beijing still matters to him.
 
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Deleted member 512391

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I'm curious as to how Djoko vs. Rafa unfolds in 2019 (should they meet in 2018, Djoko is a firm, firm favorite).
But that Wimbledon-match was some of the best tennis, I've seen Rafa play in recent years. And he went toe to toe with Novak despite Novak is the better grass player and had a roof to boot. Can he do that on HC too or will we get back to Djoko winning everywhere vs. Rafa with clay being 50-50? If Rafa is to win, he'll need the aggression he showed at Wimbledon.
I agree that Nadal's only chance against Djokovic is to be the aggressor, because the days of Rafa outgrinding Djokovic are far behind him, all that changed in 2011.
Having said that, I do think that Nadal will have his chances if he brings his Wimbledon SF mindset into their next match, that's the formula that has been quite successive for him against Novak since he hit his peak. He was one point away from serving for the match, after having that brutal battle with Delpo, so he should have some opportunities in the future. It could also help if he improves his serve as well. Didn't look at the number, but I think that his serving stats in 2017 were superior.
The other problem is his health, he's been battling some injuries this year and I'm not sure if he'll be 100% ready.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Don't get too cocky just yet! The second half of his prediction can still happen! Lol

If Nadal can have more epic matches next year like he did this year, that's all I need out of him. He's still the most entertaining guy in tennis. Im trying to be realistic, we are lucky Nadal is still even playing at 32, let alone #1 and still winning slams :)
 
At this point in their careers, I would be only worried about surpassing Fed's slam count not YE#1.. They got 3-4 years to make it happen. No point in killing yourself for #1
 

Dilexson

Hall of Fame
I agree that Nadal's only chance against Djokovic is to be the aggressor, because the days of Rafa outgrinding Djokovic are far behind him, all that changed in 2011.
Having said that, I do think that Nadal will have his chances if he brings his Wimbledon SF mindset into their next match, that's the formula that has been quite successive for him against Novak since he hit his peak. He was one point away from serving for the match, after having that brutal battle with Delpo, so he should have some opportunities in the future. It could also help if he improves his serve as well. Didn't look at the number, but I think that his serving stats in 2017 were superior.
The other problem is his health, he's been battling some injuries this year and I'm not sure if he'll be 100% ready.
dang, this guy's gone too.
:/
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
For the first time in 2 years, Novak Djokovic is now the #1 in the live race for #1! At least until Nadal plays tomorrow, Djokovic will have more points this year. First to blink here loses.
And Nadal blinks first by withdrawing. Not the way I was expecting the return to #1, but the race to YE#1 isn't over yet! Not unless Djokovic wins Paris and reaches the WTF final.
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
I decided a new post would probably hold better continuity following Shanghai.

Nadal's race total: 7480
Djokovic: 7445

Of tournaments they are even somewhat likely to participate in, 3 remain:

Basel/Vienna (500)
Paris (1000)
ATP Final (1500)

For a total of 3000 points left on the board.

There is a gap of 35 points between the two of them.

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1. DJOKOVIC VS NADAL - HISTORICALLY EXPECTED RUN - ALL OUT

Let's say they both play wherever they can and don't get injured while doing so.

Novak won Vienna once - 2007. No decent runs anytime else. He won Basel in 2009, final in 2010, semifinal in 2011. Nadal has a F, QF,

Seeing the form he's in, Djokovic should be able to win a 500. Nadal is coming off an injury and doesn't excel during this part of the season, but nonetheless he is in the top 2 players this year. Either F or SF. I'll say F.

.........................................Novak...........................Nadal
Basel/Vienna (500)...W......................……...….F
Paris (1000).................F.................................…..SF
ATP Final (1500)........W (1 L)............…...........SF (0 L)

Djokovic YE points: 10245
Nadal YE points: 8740

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2. SKIP 500

In absence of an overwhelming drive to finish as #1, both may see a 500 as potentially detrimental to their health and Paris/WTF prospects. In this scenario they focus on those. Nadal likely benefits more from the lesser strain on his body.

.........................................Novak...........................Nadal
Basel/Vienna (500)...Absent............……...….Absent
Paris (1000).................F.................................…..W (Anywhere from SF-W is possible, depending on his form)
ATP Final (1500)........W (0 L)......….................SF (0 L)

Djokovic YE points: 9545
Nadal YE points: 9480

*If Djokovic draws Federer in his RR group, it's entirely possible that he leaves the RR stage 2-1 and Nadal ends the year #1.
Follow up.

Nadal's race total: 7480
Djokovic: 7535

Of tournaments they are even somewhat likely to participate in, 2 remain:

Paris (1000)
ATP Final (1500)

For a total of 2500 points left on the board.

At the end of Paris, there will be a gap of anywhere from 55 to 965 points between the two of them.

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1. DJOKOVIC VS NADAL - HISTORICALLY EXPECTED RUN



.........................................Novak...........................Nadal
Paris (1000).................W.................................…..Withdrawal
ATP Final (1500)........W (1 L)............…...........SF (1 L)

Djokovic YE points: 9835
Nadal YE points: 7880

2. NADAL WITHDRAWS FROM WTF

Djokovic wins.

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At this point, it'd be a miracle if Djokovic didn't get the YE#1. 95+% chance for Novak.
 
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