UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
38 Masters missing from op.
WeekendTennisHack
Hall of Fame
Fed fans came to realize this after he retired. Now Nadal fans realize it after the inevitable is on the horizon. Is it the truth? Or simply a symptom of one's favourite not finishing first?
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Herald
Guest
Weeks #1 is the most mind boggling imo
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
22 slams. If that’s not far enough ahead to be a GOAT idk what we’re watching for.
WeekendTennisHack
Hall of Fame
Did you read what I wrote? Djokovic is going to destroy that record, it's inevitable.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Let's play some ball.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Lol
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Lets
So it's his fault Nadal is now trash?
Unseeded Player
Hall of Fame
itrium84
Hall of Fame
Ken Rosewall won 23 Majors, yet he always stood behind Laver in GOAT debates.
Hypo Crisis
Professional
How many attempts did Murray have at Wimby or for No. 1 spot ?But not a single Olympic gold medal in 4 attempts!
joshuayuan
Professional
No ranking points for Olympics.
Pete Sampras ain't got any stinking gold medal bud.
0 WTF though LMFAO
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Beerus
Guest
He just wanted to make me salty. He succeeded.
80s New Wave
Semi-Pro
Probably not conventional thinking but I still rank fed above Nadal also (but behind Novak of course) - 0 wtf victories is a big gap on the Nadal record and he has far fewer weeks at #1.
I'm sure I'm in the minority on that though.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Thought we were talking about the GOAT, Djokovic?
Hypo Crisis
Professional
GOATS didn't need Olympics until now.
Best longevity of all time but his recent wins does nothi ng for me. Basically wins by default .
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
I don’t think anyone did back in the late 2000s. I never thought he would even reach it back in 2011 or 2015 . I figured “oh he’s got a nice peak going here but it won’t last”
Of course I didn’t think he would develop a great serve and eat rabbit food for a living here to give him this type of longevity of dominance
That’s not his fault. He’s just better than all of them right now.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
No ranking points for Wimbledon 2022, therefore Wimbledon 2022 doesn't count either.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, it's a title and a big one (check with the ATP) and it's the one big title Djokovic doesn't yet have.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
I think you are mixing up the perfect resume, which is winning every title with the greatest resume out there. He doesn't have a CYGS either, which is even more significant than an Olympic Gold, and something Laver has.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
His resumé is obviously unrivalled but when there is still a big title out there for the taking......it is not quite perfect yet.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
His resumé is obviously unrivalled but when there is still a big title out there for the taking......it is not quite perfect yet.
Greatest doesn't mean perfect though, that is the point. His numbers are insane when it comes to his claim as having the greatest all round resume, meaning it is better than anyone else. His resume right now stands as the greatest, unless you put insane value on the CYGS that Laver holds.
Candide
Hall of Fame
Mainad
Bionic Poster
There is no question that, amongst male players, Djokovic has built up the greatest resumé there has ever been along with Laver. I don't think we can discount the fact that Laver is the only male player in the Open Era to win the CYGS and, not just once, but twice.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yes. Laver won one before and one during the Open Era. And the grand slam is considered the ultimate prize in tennis, something that is not in Djokovic's trophy cabinet. You cannot have a perfect resume without the ultimate in tennis achievements in your cabinet, even if he had somehow won the SOG.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
You can't discount Laver's 1969 slam but you can certainly add context to it.
3/4 slams on grass etc. He still did it, that's what matters.
It's insane that Djokovic was 1 match away from the CYGS in the modern era - truly wild that he almost did it.
3/4 slams on grass etc. He still did it, that's what matters.
It's insane that Djokovic was 1 match away from the CYGS in the modern era - truly wild that he almost did it.
LaVie en Rose
Hall of Fame
Before 2019 ATP didn't count OG as Big Title ,as seen-. OG means a lot to players personally,huge privileges&national accolades come with it, but in grand scheme of things in tennis OG is less important than Masters title (considering last time when it was awarded by points it was worth 750pts).Olympic tennis history goes only from late 80 (1988). Tennis was not Olympic Sport 1924-1988 for nothing.Laver,Rosewall, Conors, JMac, Borg.. couldn't win it unlike Slams /Masters or their equivalent , Sampras, Federer didn't win when they participate but players like Mecir, Rosset, Massu, Kafelnikov won . It's awesome Murray won 2 , Nadal 1, both added nice accolades to their career accomplishments and that's it.
duaneeo
Legend
No one did, as no one thought 2018 would be the beginning of the most dominant period of Nole's career....during which time he'd win 10 slams, achieve the weeks-at-#1 (and growing) record, achieve the YE#1 record, and tie the YEC record.
Everything.
TheNachoMan
Legend
Yeah, he clearly did that on purpose. What a monster.What has he done to the game of tennis in the process?
He lost two by default.
looks like djoker evolved and reached his peak… or the field totally collapsed and he kept a good level
Not only are the numbers insane, and to become even more incredible over the next two years, but Novak is destroying the souls of other players fans for an eternity! In fact I suspect that some of his most ardent haters will actually become fans as their empty hearts begin to fill with admiration of what he is doing. I think the only record he won’t eclipse is Rafa’s RG tally. Put a fork in all the rest!
Clay lover
Legend
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
joekapa
Legend
Rafa does NOT have the numbers, and his weeks @ No1 are a main reason that show he HAS NOT dominated the field these past 15 years......except on clay.......
As it stands, for me at least Djokovic > Fed > Rafa
i agree but the media decided that only GS titles count in the race & they're shoving that narrative down the throats of the casual tennis fan
if Rafa ends up with the most slams alot of people will say he's the GOAT
joekapa
Legend
A lot of tennis commentator are saying that for him to be considered the GOAT, he should have at least a 2 slam difference with Djokovic......because his other stats are simply not that good.........
uscwang
Hall of Fame
Laver's CYGS has been blown out of proportion. It was the 1st full year of open era. Things were just getting figured out. Players back then didn't travel as much as now. He played only 5 rounds for AO, which had a smaller field of mostly local Australian players.
Novak's record of winning 4 majors in a row, WB 15 to RG 16, is a greater achievement. He also holds the record for most consecutive major matches won (30), which is telling.
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