Do Rafa fans believe in another slam??

[Noleberic123]

Just interested. Are Rafa fans still believing in another slam like Fed fans have for years or have you given up???

I made a thread last year how I felt sorry for Rafa. Its hit me again. Dont know why

 

[HashDump]

I am not Rafa fan but I think he has a chance for one more French Open. And that will put him ahead of Federer in GOAT debate.

 

[Dave1982]

I felt after Nadal's 2016 M1000 Clay Season he was a legitimate chance at Roland Garros and a 10th title there while in no way a certainty was definitely possible. Unfortunately though with this latest injury it does become more and more difficult to mount an argument for him going on to win number 15...he's done an incredible job of coming back from past injuries but it must be said that each and every injury will only become harder to come back from and you feel this one must be pretty serious.

As for Federer, he's always a chance for number 18....but again at his age coming back from injury is going to be difficult, especially when the rest of the tour has undoubtedly closed the gap and Djokovic is light years ahead.

 

[Noleberic123]

I am not Rafa fan but I think he has a chance for one more French Open. And that will put him ahead of Federer in GOAT debate.

No it wont. 17 > 15

 

[Tiki-Taka]

As much as I want him to win that La Decima, I think his chances are gone.

I am not Rafa fan but I think he has a chance for one more French Open. And that will put him ahead of Federer in GOAT debate.

How would that put him ahead of Federer?

 

[Noleberic123]

I felt after Nadal's 2016 M1000 Clay Season he was a legitimate chance at Roland Garros and a 10th title there while in no way a certainty was definitely possible. Unfortunately though with this latest injury it does become more and more difficult to mount an argument for him going on to win number 15...he's done an incredible job of coming back from past injuries but it must be said that each and every injury will only become harder to come back from and you feel this one must be pretty serious.

As for Federer, he's always a chance for number 18....but again at his age coming back from injury is going to be difficult, especially when the rest of the tour has undoubtedly closed the gap and Djokovic is light years ahead.

I can only see him winning the French. Anything else is a tough mountain to climb

 

[Dave1982]

I can only see him winning the French. Anything else is a tough mountain to climb

Yeah without doubt...especially due to current competition on other surfaces.

 

[tennisaddict]

If Rafa has 2 good years in the next 5, he can add 4 or 5 majors. The good thing is Rafa has said he has no plans of immediate retirement.

It would be incredible if Rafa goes on to hold max slams trolling Fed and Novak.

 

[Noleberic123]

Yeah without doubt...especially due to current competition on other surfaces.

Hard courts. He has to go through Murray and Djokovic. Grass: well he cant even beat anybody there really. Clay: anything close to his best and he wins

 

[TheMusicLover]

I would LOVE to see him take yet another RG title, yes.
Don't think it will happen, but I'll be pleased to see Raf secure me wrong come RG 2017.

 

[scotus]

BEL15VE?

 

[HashDump]

As much as I want him to win that La Decima, I think his chances are gone.

How would that put him ahead of Federer?

Their H2H is one sided. You can't just walk away and say oh H2H isn't valuable. It is only matter who won more slams. Sorry but I do not agree.

 

[Odvala]

Rafa minimum 1 more RG and JMDP one more US open or even Wimbledon.

 

[Noleberic123]

BEL15VE?

Yes should have included that in my title

 

[newpball]

Just interested. Are Rafa fans still believing in another slam like Fed fans have for years or have you given up???

I made a thread last year how I felt sorry for Rafa. Its hit me again. Dont know why

You never can tell but I am sure it will never match the extremely irrational exuberant level that F fans have shown the last four years.

F was going to win the next slam now for 4 years on, and still going!

 

[The_18th_Slam]

Their H2H is one sided. You can't just walk away and say oh H2H isn't valuable. It is only matter who won more slams. Sorry but I do not agree.

Agreed. Hrbaty is GOAT.

 

[Noleberic123]

You never can tell but I am sure it will never match the extremely irrational exuberant level that F fans have shown the last four years.

F was going to win the next slam now for 4 years on, and still going!

Aha. Fed has shown better form than Nadal though

 

[Dave1982]

Hard courts. He has to go through Murray and Djokovic. Grass: well he cant even beat anybody there really. Clay: anything close to his best and he wins

Problem is I don't think we will ever see Nadal's absolute best ever again on Clay (or at least not consistently - have no doubt there will be flashes) and that's not taking a dig at him it's just the reality of his age (while only 30 he peaked younger than others so has had long time on tour) combined with his style of play and his compounding injuries.

 

[swizzy]

2 more..in the next 4 years sounds plausible

 

[Tiki-Taka]

Their H2H is one sided. You can't just walk away and say oh H2H isn't valuable. It is only matter who won more slams. Sorry but I do not agree.

The H2H will remain one sided with or without Nadal's 15th Slam. Slams aren't the only important thing, but they are the most important one of all, certainly way more than H2H.

Look at how Fed is much better at 3/4 Slams. He also has more than double of Rafa's weeks at #1, far better consistency and longevity... H2H stat can't counter that.

 

[Odvala]

The H2H will remain one sided with or without Nadal's 15th Slam. Slams aren't the only important thing, but they are the most important one of all, certainly way more than H2H.

Look at how Fed is much better at 3/4 Slams. He also has more than double of Rafa's weeks at #1, far better consistency and longevity... H2H stat can't counter that.

I can just imagine tennis forums in 100 years from now given that Federer, Novak and Nadal ends up with 17GS each...man i should have made a thread on that matter

 

[Tiki-Taka]

I can just imagine tennis forums in 100 years from now given that Federer, Novak and Nadal ends up with 17GS each...man i should have made a thread on that matter

The former pro player section would become extremely toxic in that case.

 

[KineticChain]

the face when slamerer gets 5 more slems. 17 + 5 = like 20 something

 

[metsman]

more chance of Rafa getting to 15 than Fed getting to 18 imo

But let's be real that is not the reason you started this thread...

 

[cockneyDjoker]

No Rafa's not winning another slam. This is the time of NOVAK DJOKOVIC and the only player thother than his that's winning a slam in the next 3 years is Murray

 

[cockneyDjoker]

more chance of Rafa getting to 15 than Fed getting to 18 imo

But let's be real that is not the reason you started this thread...

None will happen.

 

[David Le]

Yes, at this year USO. Hoping for a similar USO series hardcourt dominace like in 2013.

 

[insideguy]

If he stay healthy. Problem is he cant stay healthy.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

If Rafa has 2 good years in the next 5, he can add 4 or 5 majors. The good thing is Rafa has said he has no plans of immediate retirement.

It would be incredible if Rafa goes on to hold max slams trolling Fed and Novak.

You are being sarcastic right?

 

[VexlanderPrime]

If he stay healthy. Problem is he cant stay healthy.

^^^

This. He could be a contender but he needs 12 months of injury free tennis and his body isn't cooperating. He was just starting to ramp up to contender status before FO'16 and *POOF* RG and Wimby gone.

 

[VexlanderPrime]

If Rafa has 2 good years in the next 5, he can add 4 or 5 majors. The good thing is Rafa has said he has no plans of immediate retirement.

It would be incredible if Rafa goes on to hold max slams trolling Fed and Novak.

wut. OMG ur serious.

Rafa might not even make it til RG'17 the way things are going. He's a guy who has had 2 good months in the last 2 years playing on ruined, painful knees. Unless he wins USO/AO coming up, I think he retires after RG'17.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Rafa needs little bit easy draw, this year Thiem , Novak, and Murray /Wawa was his draws, so don't see him winning with that type of draw.

 

[D.Nalby12]

If he stay healthy. Problem is he cant stay healthy.

No really. From Aus Open last year to this French, he didn't have any injuries. Yet he failed. Problem is physical decline.

 

[vanioMan]

Yes, I do.

 

[StannisTheMannis]

They can believe all they want, it's just not happening.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I think he can, it just depends on his body and mind.

 

[BeatlesFan]

I am not Rafa fan but I think he has a chance for one more French Open. And that will put him ahead of Federer in GOAT debate.

How did you figure that? 15 majors trumps 17? And Roger's 300+ weeks as #1 player and 6 YEC's? It's ludicrous to presume that the player who spent more years as the #2 player than anyone in the history of the Open Era is GOAT. No "GOAT" loses to nobodies year after year at Wimbleon either. Seriously, think about that one.

 

[MichaelNadal]

How did you figure that? 15 majors trumps 17? And Roger's 300+ weeks as #1 player and 6 YEC's? It's ludicrous to presume that the player who spent more years as the #2 player than anyone in the history of the Open Era is GOAT. No "GOAT" loses to nobodies year after year at Wimbleon either. Seriously, think about that one.

It's ok, calm down

 

[HashDump]

How did you figure that? 15 majors trumps 17? And Roger's 300+ weeks as #1 player and 6 YEC's? It's ludicrous to presume that the player who spent more years as the #2 player than anyone in the history of the Open Era is GOAT. No "GOAT" loses to nobodies year after year at Wimbleon either. Seriously, think about that one.

Yeahl, and player like Federer with all these records has been owned by Nadal with 11-23. Two slams and more weeks as no1 can't delete that. That's big minus in Federer's career.
After Djokovic surpass Federer's slam record than will be no argument like "the most slams means greater player". Just wait and see.
Question for all: What is more valuable 30 weeks as no1 with 7 YE#1 or 400 weeks as no1 and 1 YE#1?

 

[octobrina10]

 

[Deleted member 77403]

He is still a serious contender, no doubt about it.

 

[Nonsense]

You can never count guys like Rafa and Roger out.

 

[Flash O'Groove]

Just interested. Are Rafa fans still believing in another slam like Fed fans have for years or have you given up???

I made a thread last year how I felt sorry for Rafa. Its hit me again. Dont know why

You can't rule him out. If he can stay around, be healthy and Djokovic decline or is injured, he would certainly be a contended. It seems unlikely right now but the day Djokovic's level or consistency drop, the field will be wide open.

 

[14OuncesStrung]

Rafa is done.

 

[mandy01]

I am not Rafa fan but I think he has a chance for one more French Open. And that will put him ahead of Federer in GOAT debate.

Uhm...NO.

 

[mandy01]

Yeahl, and player like Federer with all these records has been owned by Nadal with 11-23. Two slams and more weeks as no1 can't delete that. That's big minus in Federer's career.

No one cares about it when Nadal isn't even close to Federer in any other major metric and trails him significantly at three of the four majors. He's the better clay player. End of story.

 

[haqq777]

Well, I think given the plethora of issues he has had starting the past year reaching up till now, it might be a tough ask. But you never say never when it comes to Rafa. He is resilient and is a fighter through and through. He was on the right track and a serious contender at this year's FO when his wrist injury happened. Have a feeling that he will pick up where he left off once he is back.

The only thing is that Rafa is a big confidence player and needs matches to build up his confidence. Hopefully he does that and second part of the season sees him comeback with a vengeance. One of the reasons why I was so melancholic about this injury was this very reason that it happened as he was building really good momentum for himself. Bad timing and luck.

Rafa fan or not, we all have to admit, tour seems boring without him . Matches just do not seem as fun unless there is someone chasing down every last ball, every point like it is a matter of life and death. Wish him the best. We need him back.

Summary: yes, in my humble opinion I think he will win a major again as long as he is healthy (granted it does seem it will be anything other than on grass).

 

[MichaelNadal]

Well, I think given the plethora of issues he has had starting the past year reaching up till now, it might be a tough ask. But you never say never when it comes to Rafa. He is resilient and is a fighter through and through. He was on the right track and a serious contender at this year's FO when his wrist injury happened. Have a feeling that he will pick up where he left off once he is back.

The only thing is that Rafa is a big confidence player and needs matches to build up his confidence. Hopefully he does that and second part of the season sees him comeback with a vengeance. One of the reasons why I was so melancholic about this injury was this very reason that it happened as he was building really good momentum for himself. Bad timing and luck.

Rafa fan or not, we all have to admit, tour seems boring without him . Matches just do not seem as fun unless there is someone chasing down every last ball, every point like it is a matter of life and death. Wish him the best. We need him back.

Summary: yes, in my humble opinion I think he will win a major again as long as he is healthy (granted it does seem it will be anything other than on grass).

This post is epic nice.

 

[britam25]

No it wont. 17 > 15

Yeah, his math is a little fuzzy there, isn't it?

Such a pleasure to have a Slam without Nadal or Shriekapova.

 

[Uncle Ebeneezer]

It only takes 7 straight match wins to hoist a Slam trophy. If someone had asked: "can Cilic/Panetta win a Slam?" before they did, I'm pretty sure most of us would have answered No with 90+% certainty. If Rafa can get back to the way he was playing at Indian Wells in the first set against Nole, he will imo be right there with Murray as the contender for #2 best player and the #2 always has a shot if the cards fall right with health and draw. And playing at level, he would be a contender not only on clay but hard-courts, as well. Nole is not perfect. He still has days where things don't go right for him and he starts losing his cool on court: complaining, throwing racquet etc. He's only had these kinds of lapses on days when he was so much better than his opponents that he managed to still win the match, but there's no guarantee that he can't suffer the same thing against better players. I started to see some of it in that first set at IW. He pulled it out and Rafa choked a bit, but that doesn't guarantee that the same thing will happen if they meet again in a similar scenario. So I think Rafa's game (the way it was at IW) is still good enough to make hime a contender for Slams, however who knows after this injury where he will be at. Fingers crossed as a fan of Rafa and tennis in general.