Fedal fans- do you hate Djokovic for crashing their party?

[Djokovic2011]

I've noticed recently that several Fedal fans such as Phoenix1983 and yoloiamtheman seem to really resent, even hate Djokovic, for crashing the Fedal party in 2011 and having great success ever since. I can't help but wonder why this is. Surely in every walk of life the whole objective is to improve oneself as much as possible which is exactly what Novak did so why so much shade? Shouldn't he be given credit for making the necessary improvements in his game to counter the two players who had dominated the sport for the previous six years? Or perhaps Fedal fans simply don't like the fact that it was Novak rather than someone else who had the temerity to stand up to Fed and Nadal and say "enough is enough, I'M taking over from this moment on".

So to all you fans of Fedal out there who hate on Nole, could you please enlighten me as to why you resent him so much. Is it his style of play or his personality that irks you the most? Or simply the fact that it was he and he alone who finally brought the Fedal empire crashing to the ground. Would it not have bothered you so much if it had been any other player? I'm really intrigued to find out why.

 

[jg153040]

What do you mean by Fedal fans? Fans who are at the same time fans of both, or you mean Fedal fans as guys who are only fans of one player?

 

[Djokovic2011]

What do you mean by Fedal fans? Fans who are at the same time fans of both, or you mean Fedal fans as guys who are only fans of one player?

No, I meant fans of both players jg.

 

[jg153040]

No, I meant fans of both players jg.

So a fan who is at the same time a fan of Federer and Nadal?

 

[Backspin1183]

Not at all. I would never hate someone for being extremely good at what he does.

 

[Keizer]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a Fedal fan and also do not dislike Djokovic.

However possible reasons for disliking him could be:
1) Less complete game than Fedal given that he sucks at net.
2) Personality, he used to be a bit of a showman with all the impressions and I believe that affected his focus somewhat. But he's been excellent since 2010/11.

I believe he's great for the game. All four of them are great champions and have been great role models for up and coming players.

 

[mandy01]

I actually find watching Djokovic very entertaining when he's playing Federer. But there are many match-ups of his I don't like. Particularly those against defensive baseliners-it's like watching ping-pong. I also think Djokovic plays less dirty when against Roger because Roger gives his opponent that respect. Against Nadal both seem to be onto a one up-manship as to who will be more obnoxious on court.

I also think he's a little attention-seeking. A wannabe at times. He can't expect crowds to root for him when there are more established stars around. He'll have to wait it out and he needs to accept it.

 

[Steve0904]

Hard to say overall. For me personally, the answer is a definite no, but I know of many people like this even if they won't admit it. Djokovic did kind of "crash the party" so to speak, and if I am to be completely honest, I don't think he'll ever be as popular as Nadal or Federer. He can win as many slams as he likes, but those guys have a charisma about them that Djokovic doesn't and sometimes I think he tries too hard to be funny. Plus, he really dislikes it when the crowd is against him.

I can't really judge him because I don't know if I would react any better in his position though. All I can say is that my answer is no. In fact, I don't even dislike Novak, he's just not my favourite player.

It is an unfortunate fact of human nature that people will hate on those who are successful. And Djokovic is a very successful, fantastic player, but he peaked a bit late to convert the majority of people that are fans of Federer and/or Nadal. And they are still the majority and will be until Federer and Nadal retire. And even so, when those guys retire, assuming Djokovic is still around, the fans are not likely to just support Djokovic automatically.

 

[sliceroni]

No. Djokovic/Fed matches are very entertaining. Plus I like that Nole is maturing as a player both on and off the court. It appears his over the top post match celebrations are behind him. Also being a father he will mature even more. Maybe if he won 10 more slams then it would bother me a little But all in all a Nole/Fed match will usually display quality all-court play with a lot of attacking and no moonball rallies.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Some good responses here guys but I'd like to hear primarily from fans of BOTH players if possible. :wink:

 

[Keizer]

Hard to say overall. For me personally, the answer is a definite no, but I know of many people like this even if they won't admit it. Djokovic did kind of "crash the party" so to speak, and if I am to be completely honest, I don't think he'll ever be as popular as Nadal or Federer. He can win as many slams as he likes, but those guys have a charisma about them that Djokovic doesn't and sometimes I think he tries too hard to be funny. Plus, he really dislikes it when the crowd is against him.

I can't really judge him because I don't know if I would react any better in his position though. All I can say is that my answer is no. In fact, I don't even dislike Novak, he's just not my favourite player.

I think that is more likely because his game does not have a defining theme that is as apparent to the non-initiated viewer (compared to Federer's fluidity and Nadal's hustle and physicality). I think he's plenty charismatic. Murray IMO is the most human of the four, because he seems to suffer from the self-doubt we are more accustomed to seeing in ourselves.

 

[jg153040]

Some good responses here guys but I'd like to hear primarily from fans of BOTH players if possible. :wink:

You will, but three people in entire TW who are fans of both aren't logged at the moment.

 

[Anti-Fedal]

Thank god Novak exists, otherwise god knows how many slams Fed and Nadal would've racked up by now.

 

[RF20Lennon]

Novak is my second fav player so nope!

 

[jg153040]

Thank god Novak exists, otherwise god knows how many slams Fed and Nadal would've racked up by now.

How dare you? This is blasphemy .

 

[Steve0904]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a Fedal fan and also do not dislike Djokovic.

However possible reasons for disliking him could be:
1) Less complete game than Fedal given that he sucks at net.
2) Personality, he used to be a bit of a showman with all the impressions and I believe that affected his focus somewhat. But he's been excellent since 2010/11.
3) He used to have a penchant for retiring when things got tough

I believe he's great for the game. All four of them are great champions and have been great role models for up and coming players.

Just something I thought I'd add. He's really improved in this area, but you know how some people are about first impressions and such.

 

[FreeBird]

You will, but three people in entire TW who are fans of both aren't logged at the moment.

:lol: :lol:

 

[conway]

I do think they do and it makes Federer fans kind of stupid as Nadal would probably have already atleast tied Federer's slam mark and would be a cinch (rather than just a good possibility) to surpass Federer if Djokovic didn't come along. After all Federer himself sure as heck wasn't going to stop Nadal. He needed someone else to emerge to do it for him, and Djokovic was that person. Djokovic is the only one who makes Nadal tieing/breaking slams mark or surpassing Federer in the all time rankings, even a question mark at all, and prolongs the process.

 

[Steve0904]

I think that is more likely because his game does not have a defining theme that is as apparent to the non-initiated viewer (compared to Federer's fluidity and Nadal's hustle and physicality). I think he's plenty charismatic. Murray IMO is the most human of the four, because he seems to suffer from the self-doubt we are more accustomed to seeing in ourselves.

That is possible. He is very good off the ground with no real weakness on either side, but he's never had Nadal's FH passing shot or Federer's flick BH passing shot for example.

I still think it has a fair bit to do with charisma though. I think a lot of people still think he sometimes tries too hard to be funny or that they notice the disdain he shows when a crowd is against him. I think that could rub a lot of people the wrong way. Not that Federer and Nadal don't sometimes do things that rub people the wrong way, but what Djokovic does is a BIG deal. He's essentially trying fruitlessly to win over a crowd and when people are like that you won't win them over 9 times out of 10.

 

[yoloiamtheman]

I kind of feel that he crashed their party. He was so dominant in 2011. He beat Federer in so many semis and Nadal in 3 consequtive finals. But his rise made Fedal also to improve their game.

I dont hate him but his fans in this forum go on bashing Fedal and in turn it leads people to bash Djoker to prove a point that Fedal is better than him. Eg., "Will Federer ever win something big at least one more time?" thread created by one of Djoker fan. Come on we all know that it is very difficult for Fed to win a slam. Also some fans repeatedly mentioning that Nadal won 2013 RG match because of Pascal Maria and not giving the credit to him for winning such a close match. Some Djoker fans have so much hatred towards Fedal.

In fact i felt bad for him after RG 2014. He had 4 consequtive wins over Nadal but Nadal won the most important. But at the same time his celebration after AO 2012 was too much according to me.

 

[jg153040]

I do think they do and it makes Federer fans kind of stupid as Nadal would probably have already atleast tied Federer's slam mark and would be a cinch (rather than just a good possibility) to surpass Federer if Djokovic didn't come along. After all Federer himself sure as heck wasn't going to stop Nadal. He needed someone else to emerge to do it for him, and Djokovic was that person. Djokovic is the only one who makes Nadal tieing/breaking slams mark or surpassing Federer in the all time rankings, even a question mark at all, and prolongs the process.

Really? Your math is way off.

Who would have won W 14 for example without Djokovic? Djokovic did even more damage to Fed.

If we need to thank people for helping Fed, it isn't Djokovic but guys like Wawrinka, Darcis, Rosol, Ferrer, Blake, Soderling.

 

[swordtennis]

The Prima Donna
The Big Lug
The Machine
and
The Mug

Why be angry they all should be together like the Adams Family.

 

[TheMusicLover]

^^ Pretty much everything Steve0904 and mandy01 already said.

"Hating" a player because he happens to appear to have 'crashed the party' of your fav is quite a bit childish, if not to say lame, imho.
It's the natural course of action in a sport to have the top dogs at a certain point meeting a successor who ultimately overtakes them.

Djokovic is a fantastic player, atmittedly, I at first didn't quite like his many retirements but he appears to have very much altered that attitude. Also I think he tries too much to be liked, but that too, seems to have changed for the better. So, no 'problems' at all with him, and I'm looking forwards to seeing him play more matches against - especially - Federer.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Some good responses here guys but I'd like to hear primarily from fans of BOTH players if possible. :wink:

When Djokovic "crashed the party" in 2011, I was a Fedal fan (I was a fan of both Federer and Nadal). And I did not mind it at all. I don't resent anybody's success unless I dislike them and the way they achieve it. Djokovic seemingly deserved everything he won, so I had no problem. You play to win and it's stupid to hate someone for winning.

 

[bullfan]

Don't hate Novak. No reason to.

Tennis can't solely exist about 2 players. Yes, Fedal had a great run, and was hugely popular, but AO2009 indicated that Fed would never again beat Nadal directly at a GS, Fed was permanently, mentally broken there.

 

[Djokovic2011]

When Djokovic "crashed the party" in 2011, I was a Fedal fan (I was a fan of both Federer and Nadal). And I did not mind it at all. I don't resent anybody's success unless I dislike them and the way they achieve it. Djokovic seemingly deserved everything he won, so I had no problem. You play to win and it's stupid to hate someone for winning.

Couldn't have said it any better Mayo.

 

[sbengte]

'Crashed the party'? He came in late to the party. He went away after his first slam in 2008 after all his issues with tweaking the serve with the new coach etc...else who knows he would have made a bigger impact a couple of years earlier than 2011.

Also, Fed played the biggest party pooper ever at RG 2011. Novak may have most likely had the CYGS that year.

 

[conway]

Really? Your math is way off.

Who would have won W 14 for example without Djokovic? Djokovic did even more damage to Fed.

If we need to thank people for helping Fed, it isn't Djokovic but guys like Wawrinka, Darcis, Rosol, Ferrer, Blake, Soderling.

Nadal wins Wimbledon 2011, U.S Open 2011, Australian Open 2012 for sure without Djokovic. I have no doubt at all. Federer probably wins Wimbledon 2014. So Federer would be 1 slam up at that point, 18 to 17. However I think Nadal pushed himself too hard physically to mount himself back up against Djokovic's challenge, and that resulted in his 2012/2013 long injury layoff and probably cost him some additional slams too.

Heck you could even add the 2009 French which would be a 2 slam swing. Lets face it everyone with a brain knows it is the Djokovic-Nadal Madrid semi which killed both of their French Open chances, and handed the title to Fed.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Nadal wins Wimbledon 2011, U.S Open 2011, Australian Open 2012 for sure without Djokovic. I have no doubt at all. Federer probably wins Wimbledon 2014. So Federer would be 1 slam up at that point, 18 to 17. However I think Nadal pushed himself too hard physically to mount himself back up against Djokovic's challenge, and that resulted in his 2012/2013 long injury layoff and probably cost him some additional slams too.

Heck you could even add the 2009 French which would be a 2 slam swing. Lets face it everyone with a brain knows it is the Djokovic-Nadal Madrid semi which killed both of their French Open chances, and handed the title to Fed.

If Djokovic wasn't around, who would beat Federer at the 2008AO and the 2011AO? There is a good chance Federer would've beaten Nadal at the 2011 US Open, too. Djokovic hurt both of them equally.

And :lol: at 2009 Madrid costing Nadal the French Open. He had bigger epics against Federer and Coria in 2006 and 2005, and he still won the French on both those years.

 

[conway]

If Djokovic wasn't around, who would beat Federer at the 2008AO and the 2011AO? There is a good chance Federer would've beaten Nadal at the 2011 US Open, too. Djokovic hurt both of them equally.

And :lol: at 2009 Madrid costing Nadal the French Open. He had bigger epics against Federer and Coria in 2006 and 2005, and he still won the French on both those years.

There is not a good chance Federer would beat Nadal at any slam other than maybe Wimbledon this year. Federer hasnt been Nadal in a slam since 2007, so what basis is there Federer could beat Nadal at the 2011 U.S Open when Nadal was playing good tennis. Was never happening.

The epics with Federer and Coria werent the week before the French Open. Darren Cahill and Brad Gilbert know far more about tennis than either of us and they both voiced the opinion the Madrid match was the main reason for Djokovic and Nadal both bombing at the French.

 

[bullfan]

'Crashed the party'? He came in late to the party. He went away after his first slam in 2008 after all his issues with tweaking the serve with the new coach etc...else who knows he would have made a bigger impact a couple of years earlier than 2011.

Also, Fed played the biggest party pooper ever at RG 2011. Novak may have most likely had the CYGS that year.

Good Point, there was a 2.5 year gap between AO2008 and 2011. There was a lot of emotional, mental, and physical frailty pre 2011.

Novak fans like to believe that the decade, tennis, and Novak started in 2011.

 

[conway]

As for the 2008 Australian Open Tsonga was playing better tennis than Federer at that event, and would likely win provided he kept his nerve somewhat. The 2011 Australian Open would probably be a toss up between Federer and Murray. I had forgotten that one. Murray didnt play a good final, but I also think he gave up halfway through as he knew he had no chance vs Djokovic in that form. Federer was not playing well at all that event either. Federer did own Murray in slams, but most of those were in 2008-2010 when Federer was a stronger player. I think post 2010 they are 1-1.

 

[Federer20042006]

LOL @ an "epic 3 set match" being responsible for bombing at a slam more than a week later.

If not for Nadal taking 40 seconds in between serves picking his butt, and Djokovic bouncing the ball 40 times before each serve, it wouldn't have been nearly as long.

 

[Mayonnaise]

There is not a good chance Federer would beat Nadal at any slam other than maybe Wimbledon this year. Federer hasnt been Nadal in a slam since 2007, so what basis is there Federer could beat Nadal at the 2011 U.S Open when Nadal was playing good tennis. Was never happening.

Wawrinka had never beaten Nadal before this year, either. Look at their Cincinnati match last year. If Federer in his worst form ever could challenge Nadal in some of his best Hardcourt form ever at Cincinnati, the 2011 Federer could certainly beat a low-on-confidence Nadal in 2011 at the US Open. Especially considering he came much closer to beating Djokovic than Nadal did.

The epics with Federer and Coria werent the week before the French Open. Darren Cahill and Brad Gilbert know far more about tennis than either of us and they both voiced the opinion the Madrid match was the main reason for Djokovic and Nadal both bombing at the French.

I don't care what they say. Djokovic and Nadal had a week's rest, and Nadal was destroying everyone at the French until he met Soderling. If they can't condition themselves to survive a 3-setter followed by a week's rest, they are sad excuses for professional athletes.

 

[irishnadalfan1983]

I've noticed recently that several Fedal fans such as Phoenix1983 and yoloiamtheman seem to really resent, even hate Djokovic, for crashing the Fedal party in 2011 and having great success ever since. I can't help but wonder why this is. Surely in every walk of life the whole objective is to improve oneself as much as possible which is exactly what Novak did so why so much shade? Shouldn't he be given credit for making the necessary improvements in his game to counter the two players who had dominated the sport for the previous six years? Or perhaps Fedal fans simply don't like the fact that it was Novak rather than someone else who had the temerity to stand up to Fed and Nadal and say "enough is enough, I'M taking over from this moment on".

So to all you fans of Fedal out there who hate on Nole, could you please enlighten me as to why you resent him so much. Is it his style of play or his personality that irks you the most? Or simply the fact that it was he and he alone who finally brought the Fedal empire crashing to the ground. Would it not have bothered you so much if it had been any other player? I'm really intrigued to find out why.

I dislike Djoko and I understand why people dislike him.

However is brilliant player and will go down as great - 12/13 slams.

I preferred Fedal matches - even when Nadal beats Djoko I don't enjoy it as much as win over Fed particularly around 2008/2009/2010.

 

[conway]

Well think what you want, I take the opinion of two guys who played on the tour for many years, and were very successful, over some internet junkies/Fed fanboys.

 

[conway]

Wawrinka had never beaten Nadal before this year, either. Look at their Cincinnati match last year. If Federer in his worst form ever could challenge Nadal in some of his best Hardcourt form ever at Cincinnati, the 2011 Federer could certainly beat a low-on-confidence Nadal in 2011 at the US Open. Especially considering he came much closer to beating Djokovic than Nadal did.

Nadal was "low on confidence" completely due to Djokovic. Djokovic is removed, and that line of reasoning already goes out the window. Continue to think Federer was beating Nadal in slams where Nadal was in good form, when he hasnt beaten Nadal in a big match since 2007. Fantasies are nice to have.

 

[Mayonnaise]

As for the 2008 Australian Open Tsonga was playing better tennis than Federer at that event, and would likely win provided he kept his nerve somewhat. The 2011 Australian Open would probably be a toss up between Federer and Murray. I had forgotten that one. Murray didnt play a good final, but I also think he gave up halfway through as he knew he had no chance vs Djokovic in that form. Federer was not playing well at all that event either. Federer did own Murray in slams, but most of those were in 2008-2010 when Federer was a stronger player. I think post 2010 they are 1-1.

Murray, who was a much better player in 2013, needed 5 sets to beat a gassed 31 year-old Federer in his worst season in over a decade at the 2013 AO. Safe to say he wouldn't be beating 2011 Federer. Look at this year's match, where even a 32 year-old Federer beat him. Murray just doesn't have the goods to beat a Federer playing well at a Slam.

As for Tsonga, no. Just no.

 

[jg153040]

Nadal wins Wimbledon 2011, U.S Open 2011, Australian Open 2012 for sure without Djokovic. I have no doubt at all. Federer probably wins Wimbledon 2014. So Federer would be 1 slam up at that point, 18 to 17. However I think Nadal pushed himself too hard physically to mount himself back up against Djokovic's challenge, and that resulted in his 2012/2013 long injury layoff and probably cost him some additional slams too.

Heck you could even add the 2009 French which would be a 2 slam swing. Lets face it everyone with a brain knows it is the Djokovic-Nadal Madrid semi which killed both of their French Open chances, and handed the title to Fed.

Rafa wins for sure and Fed doesn't win for sure? And you know this how?

Hey we can all play this game. Without Djokovic, Rafa wins more slams.
So what, Djokovic is there.

Without Nadal, Fed wins 24 majors and 2 CYGS. So, Rafa hurt Fed a lot more than Nole hurt Rafa and yet it still didn't stop the goat to break the records.

Rafa is good at beating Fed, but he isn't as good vs lower guys as Fed is. So, the slam count is what it should be.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Nadal was "low on confidence" completely due to Djokovic. Djokovic is removed, and that line of reasoning already goes out the window. Continue to think Federer was beating Nadal in slams where Nadal was in good form, when he hasnt beaten Nadal in a big match since 2007. Fantasies are nice to have.

Yes, just like you entertain your delusions about Tsonga and Murray beating Federer in Slam finals :lol:

 

[bullfan]

Well think what you want, I take the opinion of two guys who played on the tour for many years, and were very successful, over some internet junkies/Fed fanboys.

Nadal had been used to playing best of 5 when he started playing, only time he couldn't play the next tournament was after Rome 2006 where he and Fed withdrew from the next tournament, and Masters became best of 3.

Darren Cahill is a Novak fanboy.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Rafa wins for sure and Fed doesn't win for sure? And you know this how?

Because he's a Nadal fan, of course

 

[jg153040]

Because he's a Nadal fan, of course

He is right. He should send a letter to the ATP to adjust the slam count.

 

[AssaultJoker]

Easy answer:

Fed fans: Match-points humiliation at USO10/11.

Nadal fans: Would have already surpassed Fed at Slam number if not Djokovic.

 

[winstonplum]

I like all of the big four. They carry themselves well both on and off the court. Great champions, all of them.

 

[jg153040]

Easy answer:

Fed fans: Match-points humiliation at USO10/11.

Nadal fans: Would have already surpassed Fed at Slam number if not Djokovic.

Coming from a guy who's nickname is calling for people to assualt Djokovic .

 

[Povl Carstensen]

No hate here.

 

[thatmick]

There is no exclusive club that Fedal belong to where one must be somehow 'worthy' of beating them.

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

Rafa wins for sure and Fed doesn't win for sure? And you know this how?

Because Fed's loses were in the SF and Nadal's were in the Finals?

Its pretty consistent that he credited Fed the Wimb 14, and Nadal the Wimb 11, USO 11, and AO 12 matches considering those were the finals lost.

AO 08 all I hear about is it was "mono-Fed" that Nole beat. So if thats the case what leads you to believe this "out of form" Fed would win the title vs a Tsonga who straight setted Nadal and pushed Nole far more than Fed did? You can't have it both ways and try to denigrate the win Nole had by saying Fed was in awful form, but then also say without Nole there Fed in his awful form still wins the slam when he showed no indications. Fed was playing better in 2011 than in 2008 and Tsonga beat him at Wimbledon playing at a lower level than in AO 08.

No indications are there that Fed would beat Nadal in a slam final post 07 considering it hasn't happened anywhere, so to discount FO 12, USO 10, USO 11 as Nadal beating Fed seems fair.

AO 11 could go either ways. Again you guys want to cite Murray losing to "32 year old Fed" this year without accounting for his back injury, but then denigrate Murray's win over Fed last year coming on the heels of Fed returning to #1 in the world.

The way I see it, Nole took 3 slams off Nadal for sure and 1 off Fed and possibly a 2nd (AO 11) off Fed. In any case more damage was done to Nadal and the difference either drops to 1 or 2 from 3.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Because Fed's loses were in the SF and Nadal's were in the Finals?

And who is to say no other player could have beaten Nadal in the final? Considering Federer gave Djokovic a tougher match at the 2011 USO than Nadal did? And Murray came very close to beating Djokovic in the 2012 AO final. Not to mention, Murray is 1-1 against Nadal at the AO, so he could have beaten Nadal in the final.

Its pretty consistent that he credited Fed the Wimb 14, and Nadal the Wimb 11, USO 11, and AO 12 matches considering those were the finals lost.

Not so, considering Djokovic beat Federer in many Semifinals. AO 2008/2011. USO 2010/2011. FO 2012. That's 5 matches. Overall, Djokovic beat Federer 6 times in Slams, and Nadal 3 times. 6 > 3.

AO 08 all I hear about is it was "mono-Fed" that Nole beat. So if thats the case what leads you to believe this "out of form" Fed would win the title vs a Tsonga who straight setted Nadal and pushed Nole far more than Fed did? You can't have it both ways and try to denigrate the win Nole had by saying Fed was in awful form, but then also say without Nole there Fed in his awful form still wins the slam when he showed no indications.

So, wait, Federer was in awful form? Then why do Djokovic fans gloat over this win over mono Federer? :lol: Mono Federer can beat Tsonga in his first Slam final. Beating Djokovic in a semifinal is obviously tougher.

Fed was playing better in 2011 than in 2008

Yeah, and Djokovic peaked in 2005 :roll:

No indications are there that Fed would beat Nadal in a slam final post 07 considering it hasn't happened anywhere, so to discount FO 12, USO 10, USO 11 as Nadal beating Fed seems fair.

Federer at the 2011 French Open final gave Nadal a tough match. He could have definitely beat Nadal at the US Open that year. Did you forget Cincinnati last year?

AO 11 could go either ways. Again you guys want to cite Murray losing to "32 year old Fed" this year without accounting for his back injury, but then denigrate Murray's win over Fed last year coming on the heels of Fed returning to #1 in the world.

What is Murray's record against Federer at Slams? If you can "safely discount" the chances of Federer beating Nadal at a Slam since 2007, you can even more safely discount Murray's chances of beating Federer in a Slam final. He is 1-9 in sets against Federer in Slam finals.

The way I see it, Nole took 3 slams off Nadal for sure and 1 off Fed and possibly a 2nd (AO 11) off Fed. In any case more damage was done to Nadal and the difference either drops to 1 or 2 from 3.

Djokovic beat Federer 6 times in Slams, and Nadal 3 times. It's ridiculous to assert he did more damage to Nadal when he's beaten Federer twice as many times.