Federer > Djokovic prime to prime at slams except on plexi AO

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RS said:
Djokovic would probably laugh at TTW lol.
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abmk said:
I already gave Djoko his due as far as RG goes mentioning him taking prime Nadal to 5 sets at RG 13.
Nadal was weaker at MC 13 than in MC 06-08. That's reality.
Yes, Djokovic matches up better on clay, but you and others exaggerate the difference when it comes to a prime Nadal.
I also mentioned fed beating djoko at MC 08 and MC 14 (including taking 1st set when djoko was unhampered). You gonna ignore that because its not convenient?

Wawrinka was not unbeatable in MC 14, but surely a clearly tougher opponent than Berdych in MC 2015 final. Djoko went 3 competitive sets vs Berdych in MC 15 final. You think that Djokovic definitely beats Wawa of MC 14 final?
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abmk said:
Nadal was weaker at MC 13 than in MC 06-08. That's reality.
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Weaker how? In the actual match or are you considering the whole tournament?

abmk said:
Wawrinka was not unbeatable in MC 14, but surely a clearly tougher opponent than Berdych in MC 2015 final. Djoko went 3 competitive sets vs Berdych in MC 15 final. You think that Djokovic definitely beats Wawa of MC 14 final?
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I haven't seen these matches since they happened, but I remember Berdych was a fine opponent. My issue is you using Wawrinka as an argument/excuse as to why Federer doesn't have a title there compared to Djokovic. That's ridiculous imo.
 
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RS said:
I am sure these players are at least slightly away of the fanwars lol.
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Djokovic definitely is. He says he leaves the GOAT debate to tennis analysts and fans, letting you know he's aware of the fanwars. Lol.
 
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RF-18 said:
Weaker how? In the actual match or are you considering the whole tournament?
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RF-18 said:
I haven't seen these matches since they happened, but I remember Berdych was a fine opponent. My issue is you using Wawrinka as an argument/excuse as to why Federer doesn't have a title there compared to Djokovic. That's ridiculous imo.
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didn't say Berdych was weak in that MC 2015 final. But worse than wawa of MC 14 final. That's enough for a difference b/w a win and a loss in this case.
 
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1. Federer Wim 03 final vs Djokovic Wim 14 final
2. Federer AO 07 final vs Nadal AO 09 final
3. Roddick Wim 04 final vs Djokovic Wim 14 final
4. Federer Wim 14 final vs Federer AO 17 final
5. Agassi AO 05 vs Tsonga AO 13
6. Nadal Rome 11 final vs Murray Rome 16 final
7. Dasco AO 09 SF vs Wawrinka AO 14 final
8. Safin USO 00 final vs Hewitt USO 01 final
9. Murray Wim 12 final vs Djokovic Wim 18 final

Put the winners in bolded.
 
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abmk said:
Who denied those were strong level wins by Djokovic? All 3 were strong wins, all 3 among his top 5-top 7 wins at AO.
Point is none of them were against anything close to prime level fed.
But prime fed would've been a slight fav over DJoko of AO 08 if not for mono.

29 yo old Djoko was losing to Istomin at the AO.

As far as fed himself is concerned in AO 11, went 5 vs Simon and didn't do well vs Robredo either.
His BH was a leaky bucket.
It was a good level match at best. Hardly very high level. Similar level to fed-Gonzo AO 07 final.

16 AO, fed played sh*te in the 1st 2 sets along with djoko playing phenomenal. Only a delusional can call that as great form by fed in that match
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Well, there it is ''but none of them were close to prime level Fed''. It's his problem he couldn't overthrow Djokovic's level and bring a prime level himself. We can't make these excuses. It is what it is. You have to account for all matches they played and also consider Djokovic's own level wich was super high.
 
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Noleberic123 said:
What do you mean? They are 3-3
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Fed's losses were way more competitive than Djokovic's. The way Fed has MP's in 2011 and took it to Djokovic in 2015 makes it quite obvious who enjoys the matchup more at the USO IMO. Fed was good in those years but has several that were better and those were Djokovic's best runs.
 
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NoleFam said:
The point is that it doesn't matter because it didn't happen, and it is totally subjective.
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Well there you go. Subjectivity is meaningless and the tennis played is just a contextless and vapid means to a simplified set of top trump attributes. Timing, opposition, the form of the opposition and all other nuance all moot and shovelled into the abyss. All future tennis broadcasts to be fast forwarded to 'game, set and match, X', prior to the streamlining process of the future where the tennis consists of mere simulations inside the BOAT matrix, running at Graham's Number matches per femtosecond to reveal which bunch of code wins over the universe's ultimate fortnight. That code is then duplicated and run in a perpetual simulation of BOAT tennis in competitive stasis, to be gazed upon by all objective tennis observers, truly satisfied at the objectivity of it all.
 
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RF-18 said:
Well, there it is ''but none of them were close to prime level Fed''. It's his problem he couldn't overthrow Djokovic's level and bring a prime level himself. We can't make these excuses. It is what it is. You have to account for all matches they played and also consider Djokovic's own level wich was super high, not just pick what suits you.
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The problem is Fed got mono in 08. And djoko would've lost in 09/10 to fed at the AO, but lost before meeting him.
Djoko has brought prime level himself only once from age of 29 onwards at AO for the slam - 2019.

I count those 3 matches (AO 08/AO 11/AO 16) while considering Djoko's prime level, but not while considering fed's prime level. Like I said, those are among djoko's top 5-7 matches at the AO (other ones being Murray AO 11 final, Ferrer AO 13 semi and Nadal AO 19 final on top of my head)
 
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NatF said:
Fed's losses were way more competitive than Djokovic's. The way Fed has MP's in 2011 and took it to Djokovic in 2015 makes it quite obvious who enjoys the matchup more at the USO IMO. Fed was good in those years but has several that were better and those were Djokovic's best runs.
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Over 10 matches at the USO are you going 7-3 Federer?
 
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abmk said:
The problem is Fed got mono in 08. And djoko would've lost in 09/10 to fed at the AO, but lost before meeting him.
Djoko has brought prime level himself only once from age of 29 onwards at AO for the slam - 2019.

I count those 3 matches (AO 08/AO 11/AO 16) while considering Djoko's prime level, but not while considering fed's prime level. Like I said, those were djoko's top 5-7 matches at the AO.
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The “Fed had mono“ excuse! An oldie but a goodie. I see we are scraping the barrel here ;) :-D
 
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abmk said:
Both have 4 finals at Monte Carlo. Djokovic converted 2 because of facing weaker version of Nadal in 13 (compared to 06-08) and Berdych(15) as opposed to Wawrinka(14)
Fed is also 2-0 vs Djokovic at Monte Carlo (excluding their 2006 match because djoko was young)

Also Djokovic is 1-3 vs Fed at Cincy.

Your comparision is beyond delusional.

Go and actually watch MC 2006 final (esp from set 2 onwards) and MC 2008 semi.
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This is one of the best performances against a good Nadal on a CC. Go watch the GOAT do his thing.
 
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Noleberic123 said:

This is one of the best performances against a good Nadal on a CC. Go watch the GOAT do his thing.
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I saw the full match live on TV.
I can describe that djokovic had couple of SPs for a bagel. Got broken and set became 6-2.
2nd set was close and Djokovic just edged it out.

Now you do MC 2006 final (last 3 sets) and MC 2008 semi.
 
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TearTheRoofOff said:
Well there you go. Subjectivity is meaningless and the tennis played is just a contextless and vapid means to a simplified set of top trump attributes. Timing, opposition, the form of the opposition and all other nuance all moot and shovelled into the abyss. All future tennis broadcasts to be fast forwarded to 'game, set and match, X', prior to the streamlining process of the future where the tennis consists of mere simulations inside the BOAT matrix, running at Graham's Number matches per femtosecond to reveal which bunch of code wins over the universe's ultimate fortnight. That code is then duplicated and run in a perpetual simulation of BOAT tennis in competitive stasis, to be gazed upon by all objective tennis observers, truly satisfied at the objectivity of it all.
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Fed loses 1 set to DJoko combined in 3 matches in 07-09 USO.
Djoko loses 5 sets to fed 10,11,15 and 2 other sets literally have MPs
The closest match Djokovic lost (USO 08) is less close than the least closest match he won (USO 15)
Peakest djoko has to save 2 MPs vs 7th best USO fed in USO 11.
but that matchup is favorable to Djokovic there.

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RF-18 said:
Man I'm pretty sure these guys have typed "tennis forums" on google at some point in their free time lol. They have to be atleast a bit curious about what tennis fans type about them.
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I think so too lol. Maybe ttw would be a far guess but definitely YouTube videos. I mean they watch matches and highlights of previous encounters to prepare for an upcoming matchup. There is a good chance they catch a sneak peak into the YouTube comments xD
 
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RF-18 said:
Man I'm pretty sure these guys have typed "tennis forums" on google at some point in their free time lol. They have to be atleast a bit curious about what tennis fans type about them.
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There was a real photo of Djokovic and his team watching football on TV and Djokovic had his laptop on his table where the site loading looked absolutely like the momentary pre loading layout of MTF.
 
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ForehandCross said:
There was a real photo of Djokovic and his team watching football on TV and Djokovic had his laptop on his table where the site loading looked absolutely like the momentary pre loading layout of MTF.
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What the hell. Is the photo still available?
 
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RS said:
Nadal USO 10 final vs Djokovic USO 15 final?
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What a match that would be. I rate Nadal's level slightly higher than Djokovic's but also think '15 Djokovic would have better strategy and mental strength (and crucially be better rested than he was in 2010). Would be an epic battle going 5 imo.

One of my biggest what-ifs is Rafa vs. Federer at the US Open. How the hell have they never met even once across their entire careers?
 
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@RF-18 , quotes from MTF.



Coco had an account on Tennis Forum!!

So did Some professional WTA player named Jamie Hampton

Not sure about MTF but I know that Jamie Hampton, Coco Vandeweghe used to have an accounts on TF...I think Coco requested to delete it once after she started reaching top200 or something...basically once after she became a known player on tour.

This was Jamie Hampton's account - https://www.tennisforum.com/members/38943-jamie-on-court.html
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They too talk of the Novak pic. Hmm so I wasn't imagining things, will take a deeper effort though. Maybe @Im(moral) Winner can help find that pic??


Wasn't there a pic of Nole and his team a few years ago with a laptop with MTF in the background ?
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Only one proven MTFer is of course Djokovic.


He posted a facebook pic of him/his team browsing MTF
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It seems pros definitely read the forums

Here's Albot doing a random AMA on reddit

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Thiem shapo, stef have done reddit ama as well.
 
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NoleFam said:
When you look at their matches played over the course of 8 years, it's about accurate. Djokovic dominated Federer at the AO. Well he basically dominated everyone and the only top player to knock him off his perch was Wawrinka by the thinnest of margins. The difference between Federer and Djokovic at the AO is the biggest difference of any of the 4 Slams whether it's sets 12 to 4, points won, games won, serve, return, break points, etc.
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Djokovic was much much closer to his best forms than Federer in most of the matches. Fair enough to put Djokovic ahead at the AO but a 60% margin is very wide and I don't believe Federer is worse player than Stan Wawrinka at AO and I struggle to see any great being favoured over Federer at his best on HC to that degree.
 
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