Fedr out of top 10

[junior74]

This Eagle is losing altitude

Will he ever be top 3 again?

Is he playing clay to cling on to a top 10 ranking?

Disgust/ discuss!

 

[TheIntrovert]

No idea what the scenarios are but he won’t be defending his points at IW I don’t think. And it can only go up from Wimbledon onwards (I hope). I wasn’t disappointed with his form in Australia, as opposed to most of his tournaments last year I felt he was very subpar

 

[Nadal_Django]

His stocks will raise during the clay season, mmw.

 

[Sartorius]

 

[junior74]

Will fall behind Nishikori this week...

 

[Pandora Mikado]

Fed will surprise a few people this year, like he did in 2017 Will finish YE inside top 4

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Feder doesn't need to be in the top ten to roam (but it helps).

Feder in 5.

 

[junior74]

Fed will surprise a few people this year, like he did in 2017 Will finish YE inside top 4

I welcome your optimism. But in 2016 his ranking dropped because of surgery and absence.

Now it's because he is playing poorly and losing points

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Feder doesn't need to be in the top ten to roam (but it helps).

Feder in 5.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

 

[junior74]

I always laugh at that gif

I know you have a fundamental dislike for Federer fans, but what do you think of Federer the last six months? Is he done - for good this time?

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I always laugh at that gif

I know you have a fundamental dislike for Federer fans, but what do you think of Federer the last six months? Is he done - for good this time?

How can I know?
Many things can happen. Maybe some luck and other players getting injuries.
But if the tour continues like now, I think he is done yes.

 

[ForehandRF]

Playing with no pressure at all should help him reach QF on clay and that would be a good result.I expect a better play from him than in the last few months so he should stay in top 10, maybe even top 5 after Wimbledon

 

[junior74]

How can I know?
Many things can happen. Maybe some luck and other players getting injuries.
But if the tour continues like now, I think he is done yes.

He had the opportunity to retire at #1 a year ago. Strange to think about that now...

Like the Dwarves of Moria, he dug too deep. I'm afraid the end won't be pretty.

 

[Sysyphus]

For all practical purposes, Federer is a Gasquet type player now. Looks elegant in the early rounds, but his ceiling is mostly R16. Can maybe vulture the occasional 250.

 

[junior74]

For all practical purposes, Federer is a Gasquet type player now. Looks elegant in the early rounds, but his ceiling is mostly R16. Can maybe vulture the occasional 250.

We'll always have Istanbul and the one and only natural surface; the blue clay.

 

[True Fanerer]

He could easily lose points in IW, but make that up playing Miami and clay season. There's a pretty good gap (800 pts or so) between Thiem and Isner at 8th and 9th place. Both have some points that will be tough to defend. Thiem has a Madrid final, Lyon title, and FO final. Isner has a Miami title and Wimbledon SF. Of course Tsitsipas and Khachanov could make noise, but neither look like a threat at the moment to make a big move up the rankings. Cilic is battling a knee injury. I think he may be ok until the UO unless he falls off really badly or someone below him has some unbelievable results.

 

[metsman]

For all practical purposes, Federer is a Gasquet type player now. Looks elegant in the early rounds, but his ceiling is mostly R16. Can maybe vulture the occasional 250.

yeah but Fed looks REALLY elegant in the early rounds.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

How can I know?
Many things can happen. Maybe some luck and other players getting injuries.
But if the tour continues like now, I think he is done yes.
And he is not going down in style either. He has chosen this way, in sweaty uniqlo and grunting. he who always hated grunting. Grumpy too.
He shows his true character again like he was. People never change.
Think about our great athletes, Svindal and Bjørgen. What a class the way they did it. Its tragic to watch Fed going down this way.

Why did you delete the sincere part?

 

[metsman]

Quite premature to discuss Fed's ranking when his whole schedule clearly revolves around Basel. When he loses there, wake me up.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Why did you delete the sincere part?

Because I tried to be nice to my fellow Norwegian.

 

[Centrius]

He is dropping 500 from Rotterdam but playing Dubai instead, Indial Wells final but first round at Miami.Let's see how well he do before clay.

 

[Sysyphus]

^^^ Yes. And Federer recently intimated that Dubai is one of his big goals this season that he's very motivated for. This could either mean that he has found the key to success – namely to lower your expectations – or that cognitive decline has set in and he doesn't really remember the tournaments further down the calendar.

 

[junior74]

Because I tried to be nice to my fellow Norwegian.

I even erased it from my reply
Uniqlo has become the symbol of der Untergang

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Where is "None" option? With all the youngsters choking, including Zverev i can't see Federer pulling out of top-10 unti lthe end of this year with having almost literally nothing to defend until the end of the year and with potential points gathering from clay series participation! LOL

 

[metsman]

^^^ Yes. And Federer recently intimated that Dubai is one of his big goals this season that he's very motivated for. This could either mean that he has found to key to success – namely to lower your expectations – or that cognitive decline has set in and he doesn't really remember the tournaments further down the calendar.

The old man is perfectly healthy mentally.

Just as AO, RG, Wimby, USO is the slow court CYGS, Dubai, Halle, Cincy, and Basel is the fast court CYGS. Perfectly reasonable to schedule around the latter due to its higher purity. Also, you can win a slow court event any time, just show up to your local neighborhood Masters tournament . Fast courts? Just 4 left!

I think once the molasses court epidemic ends, Fedr's numerous titles at those 4 places will give him the last laugh in the GOAT debate. 4D chess my friends.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Should have retired AGES ago. I said it back when he injured his knee, and everything that happened since then proves my point. SAD end to a great player's career.

But he is objectively top 10 of all time for sure, and nobody can take that away from him.

 

[metsman]

Should have retired AGES ago. I said it back when he injured his knee, and everything that happened since then proves my point. SAD end to a great player's career.

But he is objectively top 10 of all time for sure, and nobody can take that away from him.

Not everyone can be:

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Because I tried to be nice to my fellow Norwegian.

 

[RaulRamirez]

I'll know it when I see it, as I have too much respect for his talent, love for the game, acumen, etc. Currently, are their 10 better all-around players? 5? Most would take his "decline" as their own peak.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

That little midget Id take down in one go.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

That little midget Id take down in one go.

What do you mean?

 

[Red Rick]

It will depend a lot on other players as well.

I have a hard time seeing Federer drop below the 3000 point mark where the top 10 bubble is now. If guys like Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Khachanov and Cilic gain points and get toward 3500 I can see Fed get below that.

I don't believe Federer will gain many points by playing 2 clay tournies at all.

I also don't think he'll drop out the top 10 before the fall season. He had a lot of relatively easy points there.

 

[junior74]

Just to recap, here's Federer's last losses:

AO19: R16 - Tsitsipas
WTF: SF - Zverev
Shanghai: SF - Coric
Paris: SF - Djokovic
USO: R16 - Millman
Wim: QF - Anderson

A poor man's Gasquet with a better serve

 

[Pandora Mikado]

I welcome your optimism. But in 2016 his ranking dropped because of surgery and absence.

Now it's because he is playing poorly and losing points

Maybe, but many of the matches he lost past 1.5 years were mental lapses from winning positions AO, Wimbledon notably A handful of points - let’s call it 20 points total - were the difference in the outcome of IW, Halle and Paris Why stick a fork in someone that has a long history of winning

 

[Red Rick]

An important note is that if Federer drops out of the top 8 there's a significant chance he has to play an extra round in 6/9 M1000 tournaments. That's gonna do him absolutely no favours.

 

[tennisaddict]

Fed would do well in next 3 tournaments to continue to stay in top 8. Fear not

 

[raph6]

He will end the season in the top 4 mark my words.

 

[Pheasant]

Federer won’t drop out of the top 10. I see him in the 8-9 range before the clay season comes around. I think that he’ll end the year either 5th of 6th.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Federer won’t drop out of the top 10. I see him in the 8-9 range before the clay season comes around. I think that he’ll end the year either 5th of 6th.

Pretty much this! LOL For him to drop out of top-10 before the end of this year at least 5 or 6 players have all to have an enormous breakthrough with Federer having virtually nothing to defend until the end of the year! (Well...almost nothing...) And yes, when i say "nothing to defend" i mean it for HIS skyhigh standards...

 

[MichaelNadal]

 

[EloQuent]

Not this year. He'll drop to like #8 but then recover to finish top 5.

He's far from his best, but is he worse than Thiem, Zverev, Anderson, Isner?

 

[Benjamin Rio]

Just to recap, here's Federer's last losses:

AO19: R16 - Tsitsipas
WTF: SF - Zverev
Shanghai: SF - Coric
Paris: SF - Djokovic
USO: R16 - Millman
Wim: QF - Anderson

A poor man's Gasquet with a better serve

and FH!!

 

[RaulRamirez]

Just to recap, here's Federer's last losses:

AO19: R16 - Tsitsipas
WTF: SF - Zverev
Shanghai: SF - Coric
Paris: SF - Djokovic
USO: R16 - Millman
Wim: QF - Anderson

A poor man's Gasquet with a better serve

Just looking at that range of results, it looks like the results of a top 4-6 player.

 

[underground]

Don't care about the ranking to be honest. Fed's play recently isn't good enough to start thinking about good draws for titles.

Also this thread title is misleading. Fed is guaranteed top 8 despite not defending Rotterdam this week.

 

[Red Rick]

Not this year. He'll drop to like #8 but then recover to finish top 5.

He's far from his best, but is he worse than Thiem, Zverev, Anderson, Isner?

Thiem, huge gap on clay

Zverev, yes at this point

Anderson, no but he plays much more

Isner, no

 

[Djokodalerer31]

What i'm not seeing however at this point is Roger qualifying for ATP finals this year if he keeps going at the same rate he is going right now...

 

[junior74]

Don't care about the ranking to be honest. Fed's play recently isn't good enough to start thinking about good draws for titles.

Also this thread title is misleading. Fed is guaranteed top 8 despite not defending Rotterdam this week.

I forgot the question mark in the title...

The point was when do you think it happens? It can happen pretty quickly.

Federer is not a lock for anything at this point.

 

[BeatlesFan]

I wasn’t disappointed with his form in Australia

I’m sure Roger was. Losing to a guy who’s never won a single tournament in his career isn’t usually indicative of good form.

 

[TheIntrovert]

I’m sure Roger was. Losing to a guy who’s never won a single tournament in his career isn’t usually indicative of good form.

Perhaps it’s me lowering my expectations, but that loss didn’t feel as bad as ones last year felt. Tsitsipas was playing great and apart from the break point conversion, Roger didn’t look bad