I really hope Nadal never plays this "tournament" again

[vive le beau jeu !]

I really hope Nadal never plays this "tournament" again

i also hope he never qualifies for this tournament ever again
(glad you finally see the light, dude!)

 

[NoleFam]

Because I actually remember Djokovic almost reaching the semifinals in 2011 with 1 win. (1 very close win, and in one of his losses he was totally destroyed). But when it comes to Nadal he never gets out of the group unless he has 3 wins, and even then they try to find reasons to keep him out.

Because Djokovic's group was trash as far as winning matches, himself included. Nadal's was very very good so one person gets the short end of the stick. That's the way it works. That's why you have to either win all your matches or be better than the third and fourth guy in your group so you can advance. Stop trying to make this out to be the WTF against Nadal. He was 3rd best in his group so he cannot advance.

 

[StrongRule]

Because Djokovic's group was trash as far as winning matches, himself included. Nadal's was very very good so one person gets the short end of the stick. That's the way it works. That's why you have to either win all your matches or be better than the third and fourth guy in your group so you can advance. Stop trying to make this out to be the WTF against Nadal. He was 3rd best in his group so he cannot advance.

He cannot advance because of one reason: because Zverev played like hot garbage against Tsitsipas. Had Zverev won that match Nadal would be in the semifinals. This tournament is a JOKE, and I honestly hope Nadal will never play it again.

 

[NoleFam]

He cannot advance because of one reason: because Zverev played like hot garbage against Tsitsipas. Had Zverev won that match Nadal would be in the semifinals. This tournament is a JOKE, and I honestly hope Nadal will never play it again.

No he cannot advance because HE played like hot garbage against Zverev.

 

[Krish0608]

I can feel your pain. But

He cannot advance because of one reason: because Zverev played like hot garbage against Tsitsipas. Had Zverev won that match Nadal would be in the semifinals. This tournament is a JOKE, and I honestly hope Nadal will never play it again.

He cannot advance because Nadal played like hot garbage against Zverev.

 

[StrongRule]

No he cannot advance because HE played like hot garbage against Zverev.

Federer was in the same situation. But lucky to him Thiem beat Djokovic and secured the first place in the group, so all Federer had to do is win his last 2 matches. On the other hand Zverev was trash against Tsitsipas, and because of that things got complicated, and Nadal had no chances left.

 

[Musterrific]

Math does not lie.

 

[vanioMan]

It wasn't for nothing. Those 400 points will be important for the battle for #1 starting next year.

 

[junior74]

Federer was in the same situation. But lucky to him Thiem beat Djokovic and secured the first place in the group, so all Federer had to do is win his last 2 matches. On the other hand Zverev was trash against Tsitsipas, and because of that things got complicated, and Nadal had no chances left.

Beating Djokovic in a match both needed to win is fairly easy.

The less said about Berrettini, the better, wouldn't you agree?

 

[NoleFam]

Federer was in the same situation. But lucky to him Thiem beat Djokovic and secured the first place in the group, so all Federer had to do is win his last 2 matches. On the other hand Zverev was trash against Tsitsipas, and because of that things got complicated, and Nadal had no chances left.

Not lucky for him. Djokovic was 1-2 and he didn't deserve to advance. If he wanted to stay in the tournament, he shouldn't have squandered that match against Thiem. Federer was 2-1 so he was better. Frankly Nadal lost to Zverev and had some of luck of choking from Medvedev to win that one. He was pretty fortunate to even have a chance to still advance.

 

[jm1980]

Federer was in the same situation. But lucky to him Thiem beat Djokovic and secured the first place in the group, so all Federer had to do is win his last 2 matches. On the other hand Zverev was trash against Tsitsipas, and because of that things got complicated, and Nadal had no chances left.

They were not that complicated. If Nadal had beaten Medvedev and Tsitsipas in straights, he could have advanced

 

[StrongRule]

They were not that complicated. If Nadal had beaten Medvedev and Tsitsipas in straights, he would have advanced

He wouldn't, because Zverev would still have the advantage due to winning their match.

 

[Mainad]

Wouldn't Nadal be out already if it was a "normal" format?

Exactly. If it was just like every other tournament he would have been out after losing his opening match and that's what he would have been remembered for at this year's WTF instead of the 2 great matches that the rules allowed him to stay on for and play afterwards.

Shame that the OP and other disgruntled Nadal fans wilfully fail to understand the simple logic of this instead of starting threads demanding the WTF be scrapped or that Nadal refuse to play it ever again. I can assure them that won't be Rafa's view!

 

[jm1980]

He wouldn't, because Zverev would still have the advantage due to winning their match.

Yes, but he could have tied Tsitsipas and Zverev in sets won/lost, and it would go to the next tiebreaker - games won/lost. He could have advanced if that ratio were high enough

 

[KINGROGER]

I wonder how Nadal can win a title in WTF if:
1. He almost never plays it. He skipped it 5 times in this decade
2. Even when he does play they do everything to keep him out of the tournament. They would find a reason to get him out even if he had 3 wins in his group.

This is nonsense. I suspect you’re trolling lol.

 

[legrandLeconte]

to cry the church

 

[Spider]

21 Slams and no WTF < 20 Slams and 6 WTF.
Nadal could win 6 more RG's but it wouldn't do as much for his legacy as one WTF title.

Lol. Sure. If that makes you feel better

 

[MichaelNadal]

I honestly think Nadal just blew his last chance at winning WTF when he lost to Zverev. His HC form was great and he was well rested.
Looks like Fed's ""GOAThood"" is safe for now.

Nadal was never going to win the WTF after blowing it in 2013 lol, he did what I needed him to do here, while entertaining like crazy

 

[Mainad]

I'm not joking. Nadal should NEVER play this pathetic tournament again. There are enough tournaments which respect him as a player.

Your quaint notion that the organisers gang up each year to make sure Nadal never wins it is just wilfully irrational and plainly paranoid.

 

[smalahove]

This tournament means something to the big 3, judging from their reaction during the matches, and after winning.

The tide is turning.

 

[StrongRule]

This tournament means something to the big 3, judging from their reaction during the matches, and after winning.

The tide is turning.

You would see same reactions from Nadal in a 250 event.

 

[Mainad]

You would see same reactions from Nadal in a 250 event.

When would you see Nadal play a 250 event?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

When would you see Nadal play a 250 event?

Doha.

 

[StrongRule]

When would you see Nadal play a 250 event?

Now he doesn't play them, but he used to. Funny enough, even there he is more respected than in WTF.

 

[Mainad]

Doha.

Last played that in 2016. Last played a 250 in 2017 (Brisbane, as a warm-up for the AO).

 

[Tiki-Taka]

Interesting. I hope he never stops trying conquering this tournament. This week he still ended the season on a high even though he didn't progress through the group stage. Coming back against two guys 10+ years younger than him, never stopped believing. It wasn't enough this time, and it's okay. He was always vulnerable indoors so setbacks were always on the cards, and on a positive note he secured the top ranking for this year, with plenty of history for him on the line in 2020.

 

[Lew II]

21 Slams and no WTF < 20 Slams and 6 WTF.
Nadal could win 6 more RG's but it wouldn't do as much for his legacy as one WTF title.

WTF are much closer to Masters and Olympics than they are to Slams.

 

[tennismex123]

I wonder how Nadal can win a title in WTF if:
1. He almost never plays it. He skipped it 5 times in this decade
2. Even when he does play they do everything to keep him out of the tournament. They would find a reason to get him out even if he had 3 wins in his group.

As a Nadal fan i find this ridiculous, he didn´t deserved to qualify let´s face it... he won his 2 matches the most tight possible and lost his match very easy so, he didn´t deserve to advance.

They would find a reason to get him out even if he had 3 wins in his group. No there wouldn´t be a reason LOL, Nadal earned the YE#1, I´m "happy" with the WTF that Nadal had.

 

[StrongRule]

As a Nadal fan i find this ridiculous, he didn´t deserved to qualify let´s face it... he won his 2 matches the most tight possible and lost his match very easy so, he didn´t deserve to advance.

They would find a reason to get him out even if he had 3 wins in his group. No there wouldn´t be a reason LOL, Nadal earned the YE#1, I´m "happy" with the WTF that Nadal had.

I already gave an example about Rome this year. Nadal destroyed all his opponents while Djokovic reached the final thanks to a disgusting choke from Del Potro and then winning another very close match against Schwartzman. Yet they had ABSOLUTELY equal chances in the final, both needed to win 2 sets in order to win the title. Nadal never got ANY advantage despite winning matches easier. But in WTF it is somehow different...

 

[jackdaw]

Nadal was lucky to be in this position, he should have lost v Medvedev and he should have lost today.

 

[StrongRule]

Nadal was lucky to be in this position, he should have lost v Medvedev and he should have lost today.

Djokovic also should have never been in Rome final this year. Yet he was, and could fight for the title.

 

[StrongRule]

Nadal got whacked by Zverev, barely scraping past Medvedev and Tsitsipas, and he narrowly missed out because another two guys had a better sets ratio.

Meanwhile Djokovic won 4/4 matches to get to the Rome final and *GET THIS* he was given a chance to win the title.

What the hell is going on?!

Nadal won 4 matches easier in Rome. Yet he didn't get ANY advantage in the final. On the other hand Zverev and Tsitsipas got the advantage here.

 

[mike danny]

Federer was in the same situation. But lucky to him Thiem beat Djokovic and secured the first place in the group, so all Federer had to do is win his last 2 matches. On the other hand Zverev was trash against Tsitsipas, and because of that things got complicated, and Nadal had no chances left.

Yeah, win his last 2 matches, one being against Djokovic, while being 38. Easy peasy.

 

[StrongRule]

Yeah, win his last 2 matches, one being against Djokovic, while being 38. Easy peasy.

At least everything depended on him. That wouldn't be the case if Thiem lost to Djokovic. (assuming Thiem would beat Berrettini after that)

 

[mike danny]

At least everything depended on him. That wouldn't be the case if Thiem lost to Djokovic. (assuming Thiem would beat Berrettini after that)

Well, everything depended on Nadal from the start. All he had to do is win all his matches.

The WTF gave him a life line, but it didn't completely save him if Nadal himself wasn't perfect in his subsequent matches.

I don't know what the fuss is about. Nadal was given a second chance to regroup. Unfortunately, he still wasn't perfect and because 2 other guys were doing better than him he paid the price.

Guess what, if Nadal had won a set against Zverev and defeated Med and Tsits in straights after that, he would have been 5-2 in sets and topped the group in the process. So it did depend on him.

 

[Daniel Andrade]

As a Nadal fan.

Please stop.

 

[mike danny]

At least everything depended on him. That wouldn't be the case if Thiem lost to Djokovic. (assuming Thiem would beat Berrettini after that)

And if Djokovic had beaten Thiem and then Thiem had beaten Berrettini and then Roger had beaten Novak, there would have been 3 guys with a 2-1 record so one of them would have had to go. Possibly Roger would have been the guy, who knows.

 

[StrongRule]

Well, everything depended on Nadal from the start. All he had to do is win all his matches.

The WTF gave him a life line, but it didn't completely save him if Nadal himself wasn't perfect in his subsequent matches.

I don't know what the fuss is about. Nadal was given a second chance to regroup. Unfortunately, he still wasn't perfect and because 2 other guys were doing better than him he paid the price.

Guess what, if Nadal had won a set against Zverev and defeated Med and Tsits in straights after that, he would have been 5-2 in sets and topped the group in the process. So it did depend on him.

The annoying part is that he spent so much time and energy on court against Medvedev and Tsitsipas for NOTHING. The only chance for him to ever get out of a group is by winning all 3 matches. He should have withdrawn after losing to Zverev.

 

[mike danny]

The annoying part is that he spent so much time and energy on court against Medvedev and Tsitsipas for NOTHING. The only chance for him to ever get out of a group is by winning all 3 matches. He should have withdrawn after losing to Zverev.

That's what happens when there are 3 guys who have a chance to qualify. The one who did the worst goes out, which in this case is Nadal.

The WTF simply demands a bit more perfection.

 

[tennismex123]

I already gave an example about Rome this year. Nadal destroyed all his opponents while Djokovic reached the final thanks to a disgusting choke from Del Potro and then winning another very close match against Schwartzman. Yet they had ABSOLUTELY equal chances in the final, both needed to win 2 sets in order to win the title. Nadal never got ANY advantage despite winning matches easier. But in WTF it is somehow different...

I really hope you are kidding, "reached the final thanks to a disgusting choke from Del Potro" I don´t know if you watched the match against Medvedev, that was the biggest choke of the year, and Tsitsipas match was pretty close if you don´t know LOL.
This is a round robin tournament, it´s not the same.

 

[TheAssassin]

This is such a joke. The only tournament that might forgive you for losing one of early matches is the WTF, everywhere else you are packing your bags immediately. Looks like even that opportunity isn't enough for Nadal to win just once over all these years, or his fans who are denying the fact that he was never good enough in indoor conditions against very best opponents to win this tournament by discrediting its status among the biggest events in the world.

 

[StrongRule]

That's what happens when there are 3 guys who have a chance to qualify. The one who did the worst goes out, which in this case is Nadal.

The WTF simply demands a bit more perfection.

And that's why I hope Nadal doesn't play this tournament again. He should focus on tournaments where he will not get punished for losing an extra set or something. If losing sets means not deserving a title then RG 2009 from Federer was a very undeserved title. And Nadal didn't deserve beating Ferrer in RG 2013 final using that logic.

 

[tennis_crazy]

As if it is a guarantee that Nad dull would qualify......
Who knows this could be the last year he qualified.

 

[tennismex123]

Djokovic also should have never been in Rome final this year. Yet he was, and could fight for the title.

Why not LOL!! He won all of his matches, man I hope you are just kidding

 

[40L0VE]

Nadal was lucky to be in this position, he should have lost v Medvedev and he should have lost today.

He lost his first match, effectively a first round loss, but the unfair rules kept him in the tournament so he had others chances to reach the next round. Looks like Nadal favoritism to me.

 

[mike danny]

And that's why I hope Nadal doesn't play this tournament again. He should focus on tournaments where he will not get punished for losing an extra set or something. If losing sets means not deserving a title then RG 2009 from Federer was a very undeserved title. And Nadal didn't deserve beating Ferrer in RG 2013 final using that logic.

Dude, Nadal lost a match, that's why these extra lost sets hurt him. He should have been out 4 days ago if this had been a knock-out tournament.

Not comparable to RG 2009 or Rome this year.

 

[Mainad]

And that's why I hope Nadal doesn't play this tournament again. He should focus on tournaments where he will not get punished for losing an extra set or something. If losing sets means not deserving a title then RG 2009 from Federer was a very undeserved title. And Nadal didn't deserve beating Ferrer in RG 2013 final using that logic.

He didn't get punished for losing his opening match which would have been the case at any other tournament so what are you talking about?

 

[veroniquem]

I really hope Nadal never plays this "tournament" again

Yeah he could also retire from tennis, so he would never lose a match again
I hope he plays it and wins it. It would not be the first thing he does "against all odds"

 

[Yugram]

He didn't get punished for losing his opening match which would have been the case at any other tournament so what are you talking about?

Is Federer out of the "tournament"?

 

[40L0VE]

I hope this helps people

2019 R. Nadal (the Moral champion)

2018 A. Zverev

2017 G. Dimitrov

2016 A. Murray

2015 N. Djokovic

2014 N. Djokovic

2013 N. Djokovic

2012 N. Djokovic

2011 R. Federer

2010 R. Federer

2009 N. Davydenko

2008 N. Djokovic

2007 R. Federer

2006 R. Federer

2005 D. Nalbandian

2004 R. Federer

2003 R. Federer

2002 L. Hewitt

2001 L. Hewitt

2000 G. Kuerten

1999 P. Sampras

1998 A. Corretja

1997 P. Sampras

1996 P. Sampras

1995 B. Becker

1994 P. Sampras

1993 M. Stich

1992 B. Becker

1991 P. Sampras

1990 A. Agassi

1989 S. Edberg

1988 B. Becker

1987 I. Lendl

1986 I. Lendl

1985 I. Lendl

1984 J. McEnroe

1983 J. McEnroe

1982 I. Lendl

1981 I. Lendl

1980 B. Borg

1979 B. Borg

1978 J. McEnroe

1977 J. Connors

1976 M. Orantes

1975 I. Nastase

1974 G. Vilas

1973 I. Nastase

1972 I. Nastase

1971 I. Nastase

1970 S. Smith