Nadal_King
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His chances although less will get even tougher as both nadal/thiem imo will surely reach last 4 at this year's Rg
If Medvedev is 2nd seed at Rg 2021 then Djokovic will have a guaranteed draw sf/f path involving Rafa/Thiem
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It's Djokovic Open. Therefore, the draw doesn't matter.
#DCGS
#DCGS
MeatTornado
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Honestly who cares what Novak or anyone's draw is.
Everyone is virtually guranteed to have to play Nadal in order to win RG. It doesn't matter how fresh or fatigued you are going into whatever round you may face him. You ain't winning.
Everyone is virtually guranteed to have to play Nadal in order to win RG. It doesn't matter how fresh or fatigued you are going into whatever round you may face him. You ain't winning.
Hitman
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How exactly? Djokovic and Thiem on the same side, Rafa torches everyone on his way to the final, and then beats the winner of the other semi black and blue? Or Rafa beating Djokovic in the semis first and then destroying Thiem in the final as usual?
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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Not that it makes much difference but it’s probably better for Djokovic to draw nadal before the final. He’d probably be fresher in SF. He has better chances and even if he lost he could maybe tire Rafa out a bit for the final.
Like I said it won’t change much as nadal is the overwhelming favourite and I will be shocked if he doesn’t win it again. Still looking at history Djokovic would probably prefer Rafa before the final.
Like I said it won’t change much as nadal is the overwhelming favourite and I will be shocked if he doesn’t win it again. Still looking at history Djokovic would probably prefer Rafa before the final.
duaneeo
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My sentiments exactly. Nadal as the #3 seed would perhaps be the one thing about 2021 RG that isn't same-as-usual.
I should have specified if Nadal and Djoker on the same side of the draw.How exactly? Djokovic and Thiem on the same side, Rafa torches everyone on his way to the final, and then beats the winner of the other semi black and blue? Or Rafa beating Djokovic in the semis first and then destroying Thiem in the final as usual?
Nadal_King
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Only for djokovic it's relevant not nadal as at Rg Tsitsipas will get butchered, 1 handed backhands(exception of thiem) aren't beating rafa at Rg
Tennis_Freak99
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I want to see Nadal go through Tsitsipas Djokovic and Thiem to win this RG 2021
It is possible if he will be #3
It is possible if he will be #3
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TennisFan3
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Really? That's why Soderling beat Nadal in 4 sets, Novak beat Nadal in straights all in RG.
And also Isner, Novak took Nadal to 5 sets as well.
Plus Nadal is getting slower with age and more vulnerable to long matches, and If someone stretches him past 4 hours mark in RG, who knows..
Of course, Nadal is always the favorite, but he will be less dominant as he ages..
TennisFan3
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It matters a lot. In fact it's absolutely critical.
If Nadal is #3, then Novak has to face quite likely both Nadal and Thiem for the title.
If Nadal is #2, Novak may only have to face one of Nadal/Thiem for the title. (assuming he gets Med in the SF).
The seeding may prove absolutely crucial for RG. Maybe more important than it's ever been.
Nadal_King
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Yes seeding is hugely important at RG every year as it basically is 3 big contenders and then a gap unless off course likes of Tsitsipas, Zverev make themselves contenders as well
UnforcedTerror
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That's like the opposite of interesting. The only interesting scenario that could happen at RG is watching Bull face off against Thiem and Djokovic back to back. Med as 2nd seed makes this scenario impossible.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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Nadal could draw Djokovic in the SF and Thiem makes final.
Third Serve
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If Med is seeded #2 and Nadal is in Djokovic’s half, the bottom half will be dire indeed.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
The inaugural Djokovic Open was last year, as it stands the only Juan with a CGS and a chance to go for a DCGS is RAFA
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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Thiem has no excuse not to reach the final then.
zvelf
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Be careful what you wish for.
MeatTornado
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He's dropped like 2 sets in the last 4 years
Nadal_King
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It should be novak/Federer Tsitsipas/Medvedev and Nadal/Rublev Zverev/Thiem this way it would be even draws
TennisIcon
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I think the real drama would be if Nadal is seeded #4. Him being #3 doesn’t have that big of an affect. I would love to see a situation in which Medvedev is seeded #2 and Thiem is seeded #3 which are very real possibilities going into clay season.
Beckerserve
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Djokovic no longer a threat at RG. That defeat at FO2020 was massive. He is also not really a threat at USO. Wimbledon he is with his new serve. But on slower courts he struggles now in long rallies. Naturally. He is old by tennis standards of course.
Hitman
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3 and 4 are pretty much the same. They are randomly picked to go against 1 and 2. The real drama can only happen with Nadal out of the draw, because then there would be uncertainity on who would win among the remaining contenders, Thiem, Djokovic, Tsitsipas etc. That would add an edge.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Literally does not matter.
Beckerserve
Legend
Only injury can stop Nadal getting 21. Last FO proved it. Hopefully Rafa skips the tour until Barcelona. No need to bother with Monte Carlo. 3 warm up events all he needs. Or he could skip Madrid and play MC. Barcelona he has to play given the court is named after him.
TennisFan3
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Luck of the draw? I mean Nadal has massively declined on clay. He was much better from 2006-2013.
MeatTornado
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Of course he was. But the draw isn't suddenly getting any better from 2017-20 into 2021.
I seem to recall someone saying world #1 Novak Djokovic was playing the best clay court tennis of his life last October, and he got demolished. I don't think 7 months later anything significant is going to change.
TheAssassin
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Could Fedr go on a tear in these 3 months and push Nadal or Thiem further down to fifth place so those two can meet each other in the quarterfinal?
Yes I'm in fantasy land, chill.
Yes I'm in fantasy land, chill.
The Blond Blur
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Raul_SJ
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This is simply not how champions think. Djoker fears no-one and will be seeking revenge for the 2020 Roland Garros humiliation. Rafa will have to lose one day.
Third Serve
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Will he?
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Kind of like Roddick being 2nd seed in 2004 when he was 2-2 going into that tournament. This would be even more comical.
Turns out Wimbledon's formula wasn't bad after all, unfortunately someone decided to break what didn't need to be fixed.
What do you think was luck of the draw in the last 4 years? He played Thiem 3 times, Djokovic, Federer, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Schwartzman twice. He lost 2 sets in those matches. If you say he's been lucky with the draw, which players would've caused trouble for Rafa?
MichaelNadal
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Yummy
Raul_SJ
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Rafa cannot be cocky as he is coming off a shocking Australian Open loss to The Philosopher.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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He will lose eventually. All great champions do but the question is when?
MeatTornado
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I like to believe you have the full URL for that gif memorized and you don't need to paste it anymoreI mean you said all that and moar last year, and look how that turned out.
The Blond Blur
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Unfortunately, the only things I’m able to memorize are unimportant stuff. Like people’s birthdays
mike danny
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Delete.
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Crazy Finn
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Isn't #2 and #3 seeds in the bottom half and #4 in the top with #1?
BeatlesFan
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Amazing analysis when he's won it once in a 17 year professional career. Another guy has a slightly better record at the French Open.
Third Serve
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the jokeAmazing analysis when he's won it once in a 17 year professional career. Another guy has a slightly better record at the French Open.
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Be careful not to approach octobrina territory, now.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
I remember that. Do you think the confidence that Novak has gained at the AO spills into RG.
I mean in the AO final Novak played some of the best tennis of the past 2 years. He served huge and returned out of his mind.
Might that carry over clay and result in victories over Thiem and maybe even Nadal?
7 months is a long time in tennis. How much time did it take Delpo to get thrashed by Fed in a slam to beating him in the UsOpen in 2009.
MeatTornado
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I think this Australia victory will mean as much for his RG chances as his phenomenal 2019 victory did...
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