Is Adrian Mannarino any good ?

[Bill Lobsalot]

He looked a lot more normal early in his career when he still had hair.

Unlike most bald guys, he doesn't wear a hat.

 

[JackieTreeh0rn]

I bet he’d be an incredible coach if he chose to go that route.

 

[Slicehand]

Hes an alien, hes a legal alien, hes a french man in lon-don

 

[Picmun]

Hes an alien, hes a legal alien, hes a french man in lon-don

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Just made the final four today, on his birthday. Maybe someone will gift him a new shirt.

 

[robyrolfo]

Another nice win for him today. I really like Moutet, so I was a little sad that it wasn't closer, but Adrian really put on a show.

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Another nice win for him today. I really like Moutet, so I was a little sad that it wasn't closer, but Adrian really put on a show.

The troubling part of your post is "I really like Moutet" lol

 

[robyrolfo]

The troubling part of your post is "I really like Moutet" lol

Have you seen my signature?! I genuinely like the guy and root for him. He's a total character, but not in an obnoxious way, and his tennis is quite fun to watch. Personality goes a long way.

 

[Picmun]

The troubling part of your post is "I really like Moutet" lol

 

[corto_maltese]

Into the final (pic from yesterday)

 

[robyrolfo]

He was at it again today! Actually, I noticed a few more strange gestures and body movements than usual. He must be felling the excitement and pressure of a final. He lost to Eubanks in Miami, but that was a strange match and Eubanks was in the form of his life. Hopefully Adrian gets revenge tomorrow.

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Have you seen my signature?! I genuinely like the guy and root for him. He's a total character, but not in an obnoxious way, and his tennis is quite fun to watch. Personality goes a long way.

Dude he's way beyond obnoxious. I too enjoy those who are a bit "different", but this guy is just the biggest a**hole and sore-a** loser on tour. He makes Kyrgios look like a class act and Rune look like an altar boy. Literally the only Frenchman I've ever seen get booed off the court... in France! He does have some skill, I'll give him that. So if he can avoid being DQd for life, I'm sure he can snag a few more challenger trophies before all is said and done

He was at it again today! Actually, I noticed a few more strange gestures and body movements than usual. He must be felling the excitement and pressure of a final. He lost to Eubanks in Miami, but that was a strange match and Eubanks was in the form of his life. Hopefully Adrian gets revenge tomorrow.

Finals have not been too kind to him... I think it's the fact that, despite his best efforts, he always ends up knowing in advance who he's gonna be playing, and that messes up his game

At least, this time he should recognize Eubanks when he sees him in the tunnel...

 

[Nostradamus]

Unlike most bald guys, he doesn't wear a hat.

Defintely top 10 grass court player in the world today

 

[robyrolfo]

Dude he's way beyond obnoxious. I too enjoy those who are a bit "different", but this guy is just the biggest a**hole and sore-a** loser on tour. He makes Kyrgios look like a class act and Rune look like an altar boy. Literally the only Frenchman I've ever seen get booed off the court... in France!

I don't know, I don't think he is anything like Kyrgios, or that little punk Rune (or a jerk like Collins on the WTA side). He mostly gets frustrated with himself, he doesn't do anything directed at his opponent, and I haven't heard him try to belittle and insult umpires the way that Kyrgios has. Maybe its a language barrier, but I find it tolerable as he isn't deliberately trying to play games with his opponent. The guy is legitimately tormented. It's not an act (Djokovic) or a tactic (Djokovic, Rune), or an a-hole personality because of an inferiority complex (Kyrgios, Rune).

 

[Picmun]

{They are }

 

[corto_maltese]

I don't know, I don't think he is anything like Kyrgios, or that little punk Rune (or a jerk like Collins on the WTA side). He mostly gets frustrated with himself, he doesn't do anything directed at his opponent, and I haven't heard him try to belittle and insult umpires the way that Kyrgios has. Maybe its a language barrier, but I find it tolerable as he isn't deliberately trying to play games with his opponent. The guy is legitimately tormented. It's not an act (Djokovic) or a tactic (Djokovic, Rune), or an a-hole personality because of an inferiority complex (Kyrgios, Rune).

He has some bad episodes with ball kids, but have to admit he is a curious character from the tour

 

[Picmun]

Eubanks C.	2	6	6				2.57	1.52		info
Mannarino A. (4)	0	1	4

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[dannyslicer]

Legendary Tiebreaker

 

[Icsa]

Legendary Tiebreaker

The clip should have stopped when the tiebreak ended.

 

[Benf15harp]

Adrian 100% tanked that match

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Adrian 100% tanked that match

Why would he do that? Didi you watch it? Eubanks serve was unreturnable.

 

[Benf15harp]

Why would he do that? Didi you watch it? Eubanks serve was unreturnable.

He said he was undecided if he would try or not because he has better GS results the week after he loses in the final.
Yes.
Manna was just slapping easy balls all over the place and not even trying to return serve. It was kinda funny to watch someone tank that obviously.

 

[robyrolfo]

He has some bad episodes with ball kids, but have to admit he is a curious character from the tour

Are you talking about Manarino or Moutet? I seem to recall Manarino having some incidents with the ball kids, which I really think is uncool/bad, but I can see it being moments of frustration, and it's not a consistent or regular thing.

As for that final? Yeah, very disappointing, but oh well...

 

[Tweener]

Mannarino hits the ball like a USTA 4.0 club player, but somehow he executes it at a high enough level to be a pretty successful journeyman on the ATP tour. He strings his racquet at 25lbs or whatever, it's pretty wild how he does what he does.

 

[doodlyd]

Christopher Eubanks vs. Adrian Mannarino Mallorca 2023 Finals | Stats Centre | ATP Tour | Tennis

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Mannarino lost the Final with 0 UNFORCED ERRORS
unbelievable

 

[robyrolfo]

Mannarino hits the ball like a USTA 4.0 club player, but somehow he executes it at a high enough level to be a pretty successful journeyman on the ATP tour. He strings his racquet at 25lbs or whatever, it's pretty wild how he does what he does.

Something tells me you haven't seen many 4.0 club players, because what he's doing isn't that "at a high enough level..."

Christopher Eubanks vs. Adrian Mannarino Mallorca 2023 Finals | Stats Centre | ATP Tour | Tennis

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Mannarino lost the Final with 0 UNFORCED ERRORS
unbelievable

That's our boy. He's not going to do anything by the book.

 

[Tweener]

Something tells me you haven't seen many 4.0 club players, because what he's doing isn't that "at a high enough level..."


That's our boy. He's not going to do anything by the book.

I've seen Mannarino play live in person and I've played 4.0 USTA players. I'm really talking about his technique which is wonky, maybe less refined than the 4.0s I've played with. But somehow, he hangs with some big bangers out there.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

I've seen Mannarino play live in person and I've played 4.0 USTA players. I'm really talking about his technique which is wonky, maybe less refined than the 4.0s I've played with. But somehow, he hangs with some big bangers out there.

He always hits the ball deeper than his opponent. So, while his technique may not be pretty, it's effective. He's fast on his feet too.

 

[ey039524]

check out tennis nerd's practice session w/ him. he doesn't hit like a 4.0.

 

[AlecG]

Mannarino hits the ball like a USTA 4.0 club player, but somehow he executes it at a high enough level to be a pretty successful journeyman on the ATP tour. He strings his racquet at 25lbs or whatever, it's pretty wild how he does what he does.

That's kind of like saying Djokovic hits like a club player, except for the combination of efficiency, accuracy and power. Anyone can hit the ball hard, but doing it accurately is the hard part, and Mannarino has a faster average rally pace than most players at that level with more efficient technique on top of the consistency.

His average groundstroke speed at Indian Wells was reportedly faster than Hurkacz, Norrie & Tiafoe, but he does hit a lot flatter & avoids hitting much slice to achieve those speeds. The low string tension probably helps too but that's mostly about injury prevention. Probably allows him to grip the racquet harder at contact than he otherwise could with stiff strings. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtEp_tGagAEWicE?format=png&name=large

 

[AlecG]

I've seen Mannarino play live in person and I've played 4.0 USTA players. I'm really talking about his technique which is wonky, maybe less refined than the 4.0s I've played with. But somehow, he hangs with some big bangers out there.

I think you might be confusing unusual technique with bad technique. His technique has pros & cos. The short take back allows for better accuracy, better consistency & better counter-punching than a standard technique, but sacrifices topspin. It's better technique overall than someone like Medvedev's, who has a huge backswing but then still hits it just as flat as Mannarino does & not that much quicker through the court. A lot of guys on tour make a lot more errors on the backhand side, or can't generate pace without a lot of time on the ball, and the guys with a full western grip tend to make a lot of errors on the forehand side too. Not Mannarino.

He also has the best slice serve technique on tour, bar none. But he doesn't get as many free points on first serve as the best tall servers because he can't hit it as fast with the same consistency at that height.

 

[Tweener]

I think you might be confusing unusual technique with bad technique. His technique has pros & cos. The short take back allows for better accuracy, better consistency & better counter-punching than a standard technique, but sacrifices topspin. It's better technique overall than someone like Medvedev's, who has a huge backswing but then still hits it just as flat as Mannarino does & not that much quicker through the court. A lot of guys on tour make a lot more errors on the backhand side, or can't generate pace without a lot of time on the ball, and the guys with a full western grip tend to make a lot of errors on the forehand side too. Not Mannarino.

He also has the best slice serve technique on tour, bar none. But he doesn't get as many free points on first serve as the best tall servers because he can't hit it as fast with the same consistency at that height.

I was just having fun with it. Watching him live was interesting. He looks like he’s just flicking the ball but it does get a lot of pace and accuracy. I don’t think any other pro I’ve seen hits the way he does. It is effective for him, but I think you’re overstating how good he is. He’s very good, but he’s far from being elite. He’s never cracked the top 20, has a 47% career winning percentage, and has never been past the 4th round of a major. His 2 career titles were at ATP 250 events.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

I was just having fun with it. Watching him live was interesting. He looks like he’s just flicking the ball but it does get a lot of pace and accuracy. I don’t think any other pro I’ve seen hits the way he does. It is effective for him, but I think you’re overstating how good he is. He’s very good, but he’s far from being elite. He’s never cracked the top 20, has a 47% career winning percentage, and has never been past the 4th round of a major. His 2 career titles were at ATP 250 events.

Agree he is not elite, but an interesting player to watch. A lot to learn for rec players. Looser strings. shorter strokes. good way for some amateurs to play.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Watching Manny play Shevchenko now. Mannarino's depth and placement on groundstrokes is pretty impressive with this camera angle. He's running this guy to death.
Still early in the match though.

 

[AlecG]

I was just having fun with it. Watching him live was interesting. He looks like he’s just flicking the ball but it does get a lot of pace and accuracy. I don’t think any other pro I’ve seen hits the way he does. It is effective for him, but I think you’re overstating how good he is. He’s very good, but he’s far from being elite. He’s never cracked the top 20, has a 47% career winning percentage, and has never been past the 4th round of a major. His 2 career titles were at ATP 250 events.

I'm not sure what you mean by overstating it. I know he's never been top 20, and his average ranking over the last nine years is about number 40. I'm just saying he doesn't have bad technique on his groundstrokes.

He's under 6 foot.
He has fragile elbows.
He doesn't have a great backhand slice (possibly because one-handed backhands are harsh on the elbows).
He struggles to play his best tennis for a full match, making errors or not being aggressive enough (with width or pace or coming to the net) .

But he is top five in the under 6" category & number 3 in the 34 & over age group, which is impressive given all of the above limitations.

 

[Tweener]

I'm not sure what you mean by overstating it.

It's better technique overall than someone like Medvedev's

He also has the best slice serve technique on tour, bar none.

This is what I meant when I said you were overstating it.

 

[AlecG]

This is what I meant when I said you were overstating it.

Ah I see. I don't think his ranking is evidence against those claims.

Regarding the slice serve, you can be the best on tour in one specific skill and still have a low ranking. You can't judge anyone's slice serve by their ranking. Just look at it. & then look at his first serve points won & second serve points won relative to other players under 6'0".

Regard his technique being better than Medvedev's, Medvedev's technique is widely regarded as pretty shocking, but he makes it work (more so on on fast surfaces) by staying deep in the court. Again, you can't judge Medvedev or Mannarino's groundstroke technique based on his ranking. Medvedev's ranking doesn't come from his stroke technique. It comes from strategy, tactics, movement, ability to focus & cope with presssure, etc. His height is also a big advantage over Mannarino when serving.

 

[Tweener]

Ah I see. I don't think his ranking is evidence against those claims.

Regarding the slice serve, you can be the best on tour in one specific skill and still have a low ranking. You can't judge anyone's slice serve by their ranking. Just look at it. & then look at his first serve points won & second serve points won relative to other players under 6'0".

Regard his technique being better than Medvedev's, Medvedev's technique is widely regarded as pretty shocking, but he makes it work (more so on on fast surfaces) by staying deep in the court. Again, you can't judge Medvedev or Mannarino's groundstroke technique based on his ranking. Medvedev's ranking doesn't come from his stroke technique. It comes from strategy, tactics, movement, ability to focus & cope with presssure, etc. His height is also a big advantage over Mannarino when serving.

I get where you're coming from. But like Medvedev, Mannarino is essentially overachieving relative to his strengths/weaknesses in one way or another. The difference being, of course, that one plays the overall game at a much higher level more consistently than the other and their careers reflect that. Personally, I don't think Mannarino is the best in the world at any shot in tennis. I don't really care to debate the nuance of his slice serve technique, but it is good.

 

[JustTennis76]

I like Mannario because he doesn't have any big weapons but tries to use his wide serves and some short compact strokes to keep the ball low, wins a few rounds consistently to earn enough money to make a career out of it.

 

[robyrolfo]

I see that our boy is at it again, making another deep run. Must be pure luck! (I'm being sarcastic, of course, see below...)

I've seen Mannarino play live in person and I've played 4.0 USTA players. I'm really talking about his technique which is wonky, maybe less refined than the 4.0s I've played with. But somehow, he hangs with some big bangers out there.

Now it's his technique? First you said, "the way he hits the ball," which does encompass technique, but also a whole lot more. But please, do stick by this crazy comparison...

.... It is effective for him, but I think you’re overstating how good he is. He’s very good, but he’s far from being elite. He’s never cracked the top 20, has a 47% career winning percentage, and has never been past the 4th round of a major. His 2 career titles were at ATP 250 events.

Bro, what? Not elite? He is currently ranked #38 in the world. THE WORLD. That means he is roughly the 38th best tennis player in the world. That's not elite to you?

His career high ranking is #22. Being #22 in the world is not elite? As AlecG pointed out, he has had an average ranking around 40 for nearly a decade. That's not an elite tennis player?

I'll just add, it seems like his best surface is grass, which is by far the surface with the fewest events and points on offer. That just makes his accomplishments all the more impressive.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

I would call any player in the top 100 elite. His consistency over a decade is pretty impressive.

 

[robyrolfo]

I would call any player in the top 100 elite. His consistency over a decade is pretty impressive.

Exactly. And I almost forgot that he is the #1 French player in the world right now. We all know that France is a strong tennis country, so being the French #1 is also very much elite.

 

[Benf15harp]

He da real MVP

 

[Benf15harp]

I see that our boy is at it again, making another deep run. Must be pure luck! (I'm being sarcastic, of course, see below...)


Now it's his technique? First you said, "the way he hits the ball," which does encompass technique, but also a whole lot more. But please, do stick by this crazy comparison...


Bro, what? Not elite? He is currently ranked #38 in the world. THE WORLD. That means he is roughly the 38th best tennis player in the world. That's not elite to you?

His career high ranking is #22. Being #22 in the world is not elite? As AlecG pointed out, he has had an average ranking around 40 for nearly a decade. That's not an elite tennis player?

I'll just add, it seems like his best surface is grass, which is by far the surface with the fewest events and points on offer. That just makes his accomplishments all the more impressive.

rankings aren’t the best indicator
Career winning percentage is under 47%
Unfortunately That’s not elite.
I love some manna but he’s really just an average pro player but his game style is different which makes him more appealing

 

[robyrolfo]

rankings aren’t the best indicator
Career winning percentage is under 47%
Unfortunately That’s not elite.
I love some manna but he’s really just an average pro player but his game style is different which makes him more appealing

Seriously, I have no idea what type of perspective, or lack thereof, you guys have in here. Being around the 40th best tennis player on the planet for nearly a decade is most certainly elite. Do you people really only think that the big 3 are "elite," and everyone else is truly average or a mug? Have you ever played a competitive sport in your lives? Do you realize how many players are out there on the planet for popular sports, and just how many levels there are? Anyone in the ATP top 100 is absolutely an elite tennis player. The big 3 are simply the elite of the elite, and truly outliers when it comes to performance.

"Just an average pro player"? Again, what planet are you people living on? Being in the top 50 for a decade is just an average pro? 10 million in prize money is average? I'd honestly LOVE for people like you to have a conversation with an actual average pro, and tell them that Mannarino's career has only been average. Not sure if they would laugh in your face, or tell you to f off...

 

[Benf15harp]

Seriously, I have no idea what type of perspective, or lack thereof, you guys have in here. Being around the 40th best tennis player on the planet for nearly a decade is most certainly elite. Do you people really only think that the big 3 are "elite," and everyone else is truly average or a mug? Have you ever played a competitive sport in your lives? Do you realize how many players are out there on the planet for popular sports, and just how many levels there are? Anyone in the ATP top 100 is absolutely an elite tennis player. The big 3 are simply the elite of the elite, and truly outliers when it comes to performance.

"Just an average pro player"? Again, what planet are you people living on? Being in the top 50 for a decade is just an average pro? 10 million in prize money is average? I'd honestly LOVE for people like you to have a conversation with an actual average pro, and tell them that Mannarino's career has only been average. Not sure if they would laugh in your face, or tell you to f off...

Yeah, what do I know. Im old and only won a tick over 60%.

 

[speedysteve]

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[Baseline_Bungle]

To answer the original question... is Adrian Mannarino any good?

Spoiler

 

[tennis_pro]

Hes the kind of player to take out Sinner at Wimbledon in the 2nd round and people will still be surprised.

 

[robyrolfo]

Another title for the Wizard! If only the grass court season were longer. Great to see him having some success. I'd say he has had the best grass court season of any player in 2023. Sure, Alcaraz won Queens and Wimbledon, but the Hall of Fame open is clearly more prestigious than both of those combined. Plus, Mannarino did it with style...

Yeah, what do I know. Im old and only won a tick over 60%.

Care you share your real name? Or is this just more nonsense?

Hes the kind of player to take out Sinner at Wimbledon in the 2nd round and people will still be surprised.

Well, he did play Federer in the second round of Wimbledon at Fed's last every career tournament. But he had to retire in the 5th.