I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Since when is McEnroe is #ABTN 
John McEnroe seething over shot-clock drama: ‘Rafael Nadal should be penalised. It’s a joke’
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Just try to read the post I quoted. Either you cant read or cant see the bolded part. When Nadal has more GS than some people's IQ here, there is no use of arguing LOL
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Since January 2022, I reckon. I think McEnroe sides with Djokovic on that whole business, even though Djokovic was ridiculous enough to fly into Australia unvaccinated.Since when is McEnroe is #ABTN
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Give me whatever ATP Tour match, where the serve clock is used between the 1st and 2nd serve. You replied to my this post (#154):
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ised-it’s-a-joke’.727813/page-4#post-16468622
Is there any time limit between 1st and 2nd serves in the rulebook? If there is no limit how does Nadal taking time be cheating lol
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa bashers are constantly embarrasing themselves by creating false stories about Rafa, especially those bashers who have proved that they have never seen the serve clock.
ghostofMecir
Legend
So you can’t. Got it.
He does it on 1st serves, too (has lessened after shot clock installation), and sneak does it between 1st and 2nd. There is no rule because nobody else wastes 15-17 seconds between 1st and 2nd serves.
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
It’s all in the Zed game - ignoring the facts makes you come across desperate. Your idol is a cheat - deal with itRafa bashers are constantly embarrasing themselves by creating false stories about Rafa, especially those bashers who have proved that they have never seen the serve clock.
Please tell me any rule that tells that there is a time limit between 1st and 2nd serves. Dont hide out and please answer
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Been the same for over a decade. It's just they have no stop to Nadal GOAT, so they start trying to invent things to discredit him. If the ATP or any others in power really saw actual cheating, it would be changed. I mean, they changed ALL of tennis with a shot clock, and they said Nadal would NEVER be able to win again, but it just gave him a wonderful tool to manage himself better. Now he can just bounce the ball and wait while it counts down, starting the serve motion as it reaches 0. Such a smart player.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
I asked you to give me whatever ATP Tour match, where the serve clock is used between the 1st and 2nd serve. I wonder why you can't do this.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
I wonder why you haven't watched any tennis match, where the serve clock has been used.
You have proved that you have no idea what the serve clock is. You have only created imaginary stories about it.
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
It’s all in the Zed game - stop deflecting and condoning cheating. Doesn’t read well for you now at all.I wonder why you haven't watched any tennis match, where the serve clock has been used.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Have you seen on the serve clock how much Rafa has exceeded the 25-second time limit before the 1st serve?
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Hi, Rafa basher! You haven't even understand
that John McEnroe talked (in the article in OP) during the QF match between Rafa and Djoko.
ghostofMecir
Legend
First three matches I got under “Nadal full match.” In each one, picked random service games . Rafito fans can feel free to post any other matches. Since the shot clock, Nadal resorts to time wasting between serve serve games and between lets and 1st and 2nd serves. Also uses the fact that umps call the score late and wait even later to start the clock.
Shapo vs Nadal
Rafito broke and serves at 4-3 ahead in the second set. Takes forever to begin the service game as usual. First point hits a first serve fault at 1:22.09 and then WASTES 20 seconds between serves lol.
At 15-15, previous point ends at 1:23.15 but ump calls the score at 1.23.20 and then Nadal hits the serve at 1.23.49/50 so 29 or 30 seconds after the score is called, 35 seconds after the previous point ended. Nadal stays within 25-27 seconds of the called score throughout the match but is actually taking 35+ seconds since the score is called late.
At 40-15, hits a first serve fault at 1:24.55 and then hits his second serve at 1:24.13, 18 seconds wasted in between. Looks like I was generous in saying 11-12 seconds lol.
At 40-30, takes 28 seconds between the score called and serving.
At deuce, takes 31 seconds between points to serve but clock was started 6 seconds late)
Meddy vs Rafito
Nadal up 3-2 and a break in the 4th set.
First serve fault at 3:42.08 and takes 15 seconds to serve second serve
At 0-15, first serve let at 3:43.05 and takes 15 seconds to serve again.
Up 30-15, first serve fault at 3:44.41 and takes 15-16 seconds to serve second.
Fedr vs Nadal—I thought Nadal served faster here then at any other match Which is why it was so short relatively speaking (also because Fed plays fast).
Down 4-6, up 30-15, 33:23.05, takes 13 seconds between 1st and 2nd serves.
40-15, 12 seconds between serves
1-1 in the 4th, at 1:52.11, 15-0, 12 seconds between 1st and second serves.
up 3-1 in 4th, down 0-15, 20 seconds between 1st and 2nd serves 1:57.55
15-15, 14 seconds between 1st and 2nd serve, 1:58.55
40-30, 14 seconds between 1st and 2nd serves, 2:00.51
Deuce, 19 seconds between 1st serve let and reserve, 2:01:46
Rafito broke and serves at 4-3 ahead in the second set. Takes forever to begin the service game as usual. First point hits a first serve fault at 1:22.09 and then WASTES 20 seconds between serves lol.
At 15-15, previous point ends at 1:23.15 but ump calls the score at 1.23.20 and then Nadal hits the serve at 1.23.49/50 so 29 or 30 seconds after the score is called, 35 seconds after the previous point ended. Nadal stays within 25-27 seconds of the called score throughout the match but is actually taking 35+ seconds since the score is called late.
At 40-15, hits a first serve fault at 1:24.55 and then hits his second serve at 1:24.13, 18 seconds wasted in between. Looks like I was generous in saying 11-12 seconds lol.
At 40-30, takes 28 seconds between the score called and serving.
At deuce, takes 31 seconds between points to serve but clock was started 6 seconds late)
Nadal up 3-2 and a break in the 4th set.
First serve fault at 3:42.08 and takes 15 seconds to serve second serve
At 0-15, first serve let at 3:43.05 and takes 15 seconds to serve again.
Up 30-15, first serve fault at 3:44.41 and takes 15-16 seconds to serve second.
Down 4-6, up 30-15, 33:23.05, takes 13 seconds between 1st and 2nd serves.
40-15, 12 seconds between serves
1-1 in the 4th, at 1:52.11, 15-0, 12 seconds between 1st and second serves.
up 3-1 in 4th, down 0-15, 20 seconds between 1st and 2nd serves 1:57.55
15-15, 14 seconds between 1st and 2nd serve, 1:58.55
40-30, 14 seconds between 1st and 2nd serves, 2:00.51
Deuce, 19 seconds between 1st serve let and reserve, 2:01:46
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
1) I asked you to give me whatever ATP Tour match, where the serve clock is used between the 1st and 2nd serve (that's what John McEnroe talks about in the article in OP). Where in those matches (you posted) can you see it ?
2) I asked, if you have seen on the serve clock how much Rafa has exceeded the 25-second time limit before the 1st serve? Where in those matches (you posted) can you see it ?
3) The 25-second countdown (before the 1st serve) begins when the chair umpire triggers the serve clock. A player has to monitor the time on the serve clock and stay within the 25-second time limit the serve allows. He can't start his service motion earlier or later than the serve clock (triggered by the chair umpire) allows. Measurements of time made by someone else than the chair umpire are meaningless.
Bubcay
Legend
100% tactics... And it is becoming boring.... Nadal is now doing it more than ever due to his age and wanting to preserve energy as much as possible.
It really puts a dampener on otherwise amazing game skills and sheer greatness on the court.
Not to mention that is it completely unfair to his opponents.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
If Nadal were doing what his detractors feverishly imagine, how is it possible that he continues to win the sportsmanship award voted on by his peers year after year?
They think he's 'cheating' yet vote for him as best sportsman year after year.
Makes perfect sense...if you have already lost your mind fighting imaginary battles for one of Nadal's rivals.
They think he's 'cheating' yet vote for him as best sportsman year after year.
Makes perfect sense...if you have already lost your mind fighting imaginary battles for one of Nadal's rivals.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Yup. I could actually root for him if he didn't do these things. But he does, and gets worse and more egregious/shameless every time.
ghostofMecir
Legend
Same old answers. The guy wastes time on 90%+ of points and you cannot find a match in which he doesn’t continuing to cheat readers.
One thought on the subject:
Don‘t blame the criminal, blame the justice system.
Tennis authorities in all their different forms are the most corrupt in the world. Even the FIFA, that has been described as organised crime, cannot compare to the ITF and ATP. The crime described here is being perpetrated in front of several thousand people in the stadium, and millions of TV viewers worldwide. If you allow it to happen, you’re as guilty as the perpetrator.
Don‘t blame the criminal, blame the justice system.
Tennis authorities in all their different forms are the most corrupt in the world. Even the FIFA, that has been described as organised crime, cannot compare to the ITF and ATP. The crime described here is being perpetrated in front of several thousand people in the stadium, and millions of TV viewers worldwide. If you allow it to happen, you’re as guilty as the perpetrator.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Same old false accusations against Rafa. You have still not provided any evidence that Rafa has exceeded the 25-second time limit (the serve clock allows before the 1st serve) without getting punished by the chair umpire, who operates the serve clock.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I'm shocked there are any Djokovic fans. What at all makes him a compelling athlete to be a fan of? It's like being a fan of an arrogant metronome.
Bubcay
Legend
Maybe some of us actually like his tennis skills and admire his achievements?
