List who is the best HC player for each year from 2003 to 2023

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
That's right. 2013 was clearly for Rafa IMO. Novak and Rafa were tied in Slams on hard that season, so their Slam H2H is the immortal tie-breaker for the colective memory of posterity. When tennis fans think of 2013, the Roland-Garros 2013 SF and the US Open 2013 final will be the first thing that will come to their mind.

Grand Slam achievements > achievements outside Grand Slams.

Therefore, while Novak did win Beijing and the ATP finals in dominant fashion (beating Nadal in the finals as well), it was quite impressive, but simply not as relevant as the US Open final due to the aforementioned logic (Grand Slam achievements > achievements outside Grand Slams).

I'm not aaying Slams are all that matters, but they're the most relevant metric. In case two players are tied in Slams achievements, other merrics can be used as tie-breakers. But, they weren't tied in Slams achievements on hard in 2013. Nadal winning the H2H in Slams on hard gives him decissive advantage. When people think of the 2013 comparison on hard between Nadal and Novak, the first and most relevant thing that comes to their mind is the US Open final.

Also, Nadal winning the North American Golden Tour (Cincinnati, Canada and the US Open), a feat very few players have achieved in the history of the game, and beating Novak twice in the process, was pretty epic


Indian Wells too. Simply too much.
#InAnEpicKit :D

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fedfan24

Hall of Fame
2013 has to go to Nadal. 2013 AO win has an * thanks to cheating Wawrinka out of a break in the final set. + slam h2h goes to Nadal, winning the USO final in 4 convincing sets.
 

Neptune

Hall of Fame
Rafa's overall performance against top10 on hardcourt is only 50%, and less than 50% in bo5. This explains why, by AO08, despite holding the #2 ranking for 129 consecutive weeks, Rafa still couldn't reach the semifinals in a hardcourt Slam.
You know how much help is needed for Rafa to win 6 HC slam? HC slam draw rigging alone is not enough.
 

Enceladus

Legend
Djokovic pretended that he thought Stan’s shot was out on BP in 5th set. That point would’ve let him serve for the match. No guarantee of a win but huge favourite. He cheated.
That ball touched the outside of the line, in ordinary view such touch are commonly confused with the ball in out. The linesman call the out and the umpire confirmed his verdict, so why would Nole go against himself?
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
That ball touched the outside of the line, in ordinary view such touch are commonly confused with the ball in out. The linesman call the out and the umpire confirmed his verdict, so why would Nole go against himself?
Djokovic pointed as if he was confirming the ball was out. Maybe he has terrible eyesight or maybe he was using gamesmanship to discourage Stan from challenging. Robbery either way which stains the win.
 
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Enceladus

Legend
Djokovic pointed as if he was confirming the ball was out. Maybe he has terrible eyesight or maybe he was using gamesmanship to discourage Stan from challenging. Robbery either way which stains the win.
Because he himself probably thought that the ball is out, which was confirmed by the call from line referee. It should also be added that even if Stan had requested a hawk eye check, he would have only achieved a repeat of the point, thus giving Nole the 1st serve again.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
Because he himself probably thought that the ball is out, which was confirmed by the call from line referee. It should also be added that even if Stan had requested a hawk eye check, he would have only achieved a repeat of the point, thus giving Nole the 1st serve again.
If he thought that was out then it’s a miracle he made it to a 5th set with such bad eyesight.
If it’s a repeat of the point Stan has still been robbed by a bad call, hence the *.
 

Enceladus

Legend
If he thought that was out then it’s a miracle he made it to a 5th set with such bad eyesight.
If it’s a repeat of the point Stan has still been robbed by a bad call, hence the *.
The points have been called wrong many times in the past. It's cherry-picking to mention only that one point from the Nole-Stan match at AO 2013. And calling Nole a fraud is a disgusting lie that you have transformed into your truth - Goebbels' statement is spot on.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Tell me how is Federer's fourth or fifth best level at USO higher than Djokovic's second best level ever at AO, where he is GOAT?

Djokovic also showed a higher level at YEC, Federer played well, but his level was clearly below his previous years.
If Djokovic was that good in 2008, then a more mature Djokovic should be better in 2009. It turns out that Djokovic wasn't much of a factor since it was Fedal's show in 2009 AO, and Del Potro/Federer show at the USO.

Sure Federer 2008 USO was his best but if a Federer minus mono would have gave Djokovic a good match at the AO. Keep in mind Federer ended the 2007 year on a high note. He was way ahead of field(except clay).
 
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Neptune

Hall of Fame
Because he himself probably thought that the ball is out, which was confirmed by the call from line referee. It should also be added that even if Stan had requested a hawk eye check, he would have only achieved a repeat of the point, thus giving Nole the 1st serve again.

How delusional for a Fedfan to still harbor resentment towards Nole?
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
The points have been called wrong many times in the past. It's cherry-picking to mention only that one point from the Nole-Stan match at AO 2013. And calling Nole a fraud is a disgusting lie that you have transformed into your truth - Goebbels' statement is spot on.
He gestured that the ball was “out” no way in hell did he see that ball go out, he was very shady and was a bad sport in that moment. Stan was robbed.
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
2013 is one of those years where there are good arguments for more than one player. But ultimately Djokovic has the better claim. He has a slam title and a slam final. Rafa just a slam title, as he didn't play the AO. He has the YEC, beating Nadal no less. Nadal then has 3 masters to Djokovic's 2. Djokovic has 6 titles to Nadal's 4. The H2H is 2-2 with Nadal winning their slam final.

It's close, but I would go with Djokovic overall. Just as I'd go with Nadal in 2019
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
That's right. 2013 was clearly for Rafa IMO. Novak and Rafa were tied in Slams on hard that season, so their Slam H2H is the immortal tie-breaker for the colective memory of posterity. When tennis fans think of 2013, the Roland-Garros 2013 SF and the US Open 2013 final will be the first thing that will come to their mind.

Grand Slam achievements > achievements outside Grand Slams.

Therefore, while Novak did win Beijing and the ATP finals in dominant fashion (beating Nadal in the finals as well), it was quite impressive, but simply not as relevant as the US Open final due to the aforementioned logic (Grand Slam achievements > achievements outside Grand Slams).

I'm not aaying Slams are all that matters, but they're the most relevant metric. In case two players are tied in Slams achievements, other merrics can be used as tie-breakers. But, they weren't tied in Slams achievements on hard in 2013. Nadal winning the H2H in Slams on hard gives him decissive advantage. When people think of the 2013 comparison on hard between Nadal and Novak, the first and most relevant thing that comes to their mind is the US Open final.

Also, Nadal winning the North American Golden Tour (Cincinnati, Canada and the US Open), a feat very few players have achieved in the history of the game, and beating Novak twice in the process, was pretty epic


Indian Wells too. Simply too much.
You're right about them not being tied in the slams that year on HC as Djokovic was clearly ahead.
 

Entername

Professional
2003 - Roddick
2004 - Federer
2005 - Federer
2006 - Federer
2007 - Federer
2008 - Federer
2009 - Nadal
2010 - Federer (despite USO, Fed was clearly still superior on HC this season)
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - Djokovic
2013 - Nadal (I'd say the US Open finals is the determinant here)
2014 - Djokovic
2015 - Djokovic
2016 - Djokovic (no HC slam for Murray despite winning OLY Gold and YEC)
2017 - Federer
2018 - Djokovic
2019 - Nadal
2020 - Thiem
2021 - Medvedev (slight edge over Novak)
2022 - Nadal (slight edge over Carlos)
2023 - Djokovic


7 for Djokovic/Federer, 4 for Nadal, 1 for Thiem/Med/Roddick
 
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