BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Had Nadal won the YEC final I would put him ahead. That match was the decider.
List who is the best HC player for each year from 2003 to 2023
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nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Too close yet too far. Nadal had chance to win in 2010.
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Beerus
Guest
Federer's performance at the 2006 Zakynthos Open was breathtaking.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
2003 - Clearly Roddick
2004-2007 - Clearly Federer
2008 - Clearly Djokovic
2009 - Case to be made for Del Potro or Nadal.
2010 - Case to be made for Nadal or Federer but it's gotta be Federer.
2011 - Clearly Djokovic
2012 - Clearly Djokovic
2013 - Case for Djokovic or Nadal
2014 - Mmm, tough one, can't really go with Djokovic if he didn't win any of the slams so it's gotta be Wawrinka by default as he is ahead of Cilic.
2015 - Clearly Djokovic
2016 - Clearly Djokovic
2017 - Case to be made for Federer or Nadal but the H2H makes it for Federer because of how dominant it was.
2018 - Mmm, has to be Djokovic even tough he was terrible the first half of the year.
2019 - Case to be made for Djokovic or Nadal
2020 - Djokovic by default (no pun intended) basically but it was a strange year.
2021 - Case to be made for Djokovic or Mededev
2022 - Case to be made for Nadal or Alcaraz
2023 - Clearly Djokovic
2004-2007 - Clearly Federer
2008 - Clearly Djokovic
2009 - Case to be made for Del Potro or Nadal.
2010 - Case to be made for Nadal or Federer but it's gotta be Federer.
2011 - Clearly Djokovic
2012 - Clearly Djokovic
2013 - Case for Djokovic or Nadal
2014 - Mmm, tough one, can't really go with Djokovic if he didn't win any of the slams so it's gotta be Wawrinka by default as he is ahead of Cilic.
2015 - Clearly Djokovic
2016 - Clearly Djokovic
2017 - Case to be made for Federer or Nadal but the H2H makes it for Federer because of how dominant it was.
2018 - Mmm, has to be Djokovic even tough he was terrible the first half of the year.
2019 - Case to be made for Djokovic or Nadal
2020 - Djokovic by default (no pun intended) basically but it was a strange year.
2021 - Case to be made for Djokovic or Mededev
2022 - Case to be made for Nadal or Alcaraz
2023 - Clearly Djokovic
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Beerus
Guest
2013 is interesting. Could be a separate thread.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
USO title and YEC final. Made a couple of M1000 finals but the lack of a title there hurts him slightly.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Since the 10/7 massacre of Israelis, I've been hearing from a lot of people that Jesus and Moses were both, in fact, Muslims.
So by that same logic, Djokovic's divinity means that he was the best player on hard, even in seasons before he ever hit the scene.
So, the answer is Djokovic for every single year.
So by that same logic, Djokovic's divinity means that he was the best player on hard, even in seasons before he ever hit the scene.
So, the answer is Djokovic for every single year.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
GOAT
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Med made the final, but they both lost to Zverev. Djoko just had the bad luck of facing him in the semis.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Its not. 2016 Djokovic was the best. Not Andy Murray. There can be WRONG ranking as well.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
The YE1 takes into consideration all surfaces...
TheFifthSet
Legend
I’ve considered that, but he still won 4 matches and got through the tougher group (which included a group stage win over Z).
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Honestly I don't consider that as a big win. But his 20 more match wins shifted the year for me.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Djokovic has the YEC as a the tiebreaker. It's him unless you place a lot of stock in the h2h and ignore the DNP at the AO for Nadal.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
I put a lot of stock in the h2h for 2013. Djokovic is HC GOAT and in peak of his career. I thought he would do CYGS in 2013. Nadal completely overshadowed him.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Breakpointerer
Legend
wtf are you on about
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
Not playing is better than losing at the R1 since it means you simply were not available instead of playing terribly.
Djokovic has the final at the slam he didn't win and the YEC.
Nadal did better at the M1000 and has the H2H.
NatF
Bionic Poster
I guess? But doing nothing at the AO versus a final is a big gap.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
It means that since Djoko was sent by God according to his parents, he was the best player as soon as he was conceived, even though he wasn't playing yet.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
I can see Del Potro having a strong case for 2009.
The title of this thread is not about most "achieved", but the best "player".
This discussion is nothing more than a subjective opinion, much like the endless nauseous GOAT thread. Please refrain yourself from forcing your value/opinion on others, including hominem attack
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Djokovic outperformed Federer overall in 2008, can't see Federer ahead, especially with he fact he did not qualify for the semis of the YEC.
Djokovic won two out of the three biggest hard court titles of the year, plus a masters.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes on HC djokovic outperformed federer decisively in 2008.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yeah, but in 2013, Djokovic again won two of the three biggest titles, with Nadal not even playing an entire grand slam.
This is why I give both 2008 and 2013 to Djokovic.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yes, it was a tough loss for him, but that WTF was absolutely stacked with talent. Djokovic doesn't have a case for 2009.
Its really Nadal, Del Potro and Federer that can have a case. Personally I go with Nadal for 2009.
GoatNo1
Professional
2013
rafa: USO, IW, can, cinci
nole: AO, WTF, shanghai, paris, dubai, beijing
2019
rafa: USO, can
nole: AO, paris, tokyo
2020
thiem: USO
nole: AO, cinci, dubai
You should have worded your title with the word "the best" to most "most achieved"
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
I dont force an opinion on you, you can claim the earth is flat for what i care. I am simply pointing out your inconsistencies in debate. You are the one who for years argued with achievements in GOAT debates as the discussion-ending argument as long as your guy was ahead and to this day regurgitates the argument of "tennis is played against the field" in any Fedal H2H discussion. Now out of a sudden you do a complete 180 and say achievements against the field do not count but their H2H (in one cherry-picked match to boot) should decide.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
2013 my argument is based on his level. He played some scintillating tennis and was still soundly defeated at USOpen.
Question is who is Novak's biggest rival in this time? Is it really Wawrinka or Nadal?
Nadal in 2014 was bigger threat than Wawrinka in 2015 RG.
Nadal in 2013 USO was bigger threat than Wawrinka in 2014 AO.
So who was bigger threat.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Djokovic hit 66 UE, how the heck is that scintillating tennis. Yes, Nadal played well there, but no one is buying Djokovic played well there.
The best HC match of the year was Djokovic v Wawrinka AO 2013, that is the highest level seen on HC in 2013. Djokovic's level there was insanely high.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Nadal has to be a very strong contender for 2009. Even @vive le beau jeu ! believes the WTF that year was his best ever HC tournament!
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Nadal has to be a very strong contender for 2009. Even @vive le beau jeu ! believes the WTF that year was his best ever HC tournament!
LOL - I give 2009 to Nadal because of the insane level at AO for Verdasco and Federer, and the fact he won IW after that. Even we he was sucking, he still made semis at Cincinnati, USO, Paris and finals of Shanghai.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Must be @vive le beau jeu ! 's favourite tennis tournament other than maybe the ones where Nadal didnt even play.Nadal has to be a very strong contender for 2009. Even @vive le beau jeu ! believes the WTF that year was his best ever HC tournament!
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Med also beat Zed in the RR.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
I couldn’t care less about a couple of 500s.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Of course you don't care. But they count. Beat Delpo Berdych and Nadal in these 2 events. Delpo has 6-5 H2H vs Nadal on HC and 1-1 in 2013. He pasted Nadal in Shanghai.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Timmy and RAFA made both HC GS Fs in 2019-2020. I’ll take that over Tokyo lol.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Timmy is a charity case. He always was. Thats why he has 2 big titles in his career.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
The point is I’ll take his HC season over Joker’s in 2020. He made the F of the AO pushing Joker to 5 and he won the 2-1 Open. I really don’t care that Joker won Dubai. Especially when he was rightfully DQ in the 4R of the 2-1 Open.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
What is this 2-1 open. This is only bragging right you got left ? Respect the sole GOAT. And come 2024, let these two face each other. You don't want to see what will happen. 2-1 nothing. Djokovic has gone past bigger disappointments than your 2-1 ****. He always comes through. And will now put such a distance between greatest number 2.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
It’s a meme first of all. Second I’ve been far more respectful to Joker than a lot of you have been to RAFA, especially recently. Imo there have been players better than him on HC in those respective years.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
What rubbish
The level of play is also important. Just because you can ban a player from some matches or some once in a lifetime error happens doesn't mean the player is bad.
Just like Rafa was better in 2013 despite Nole winning more pts from the HC season. Nole was better definitely in 2020. He said he will go undefeated before the pandemic and he would go undefeated on hc if not for the default.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Why does Djokovic get 2020 by default? Thiem has a strong case for this one. He was one set away from winning both hardcourt slams (though it would look better if the USO final wasn't so awful), and also WTF final.
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