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Had Nadal won the YEC final I would put him ahead. That match was the decider.Fed is ahead of Rafa almost everything 2010HC.
Had Nadal won the YEC final I would put him ahead. That match was the decider.Fed is ahead of Rafa almost everything 2010HC.
Too close yet too far. Nadal had chance to win in 2010.Had Nadal won the YEC final I would put him ahead. That match was the decider.
Now Delpo for 2009 is a take I haven’t read yet! What’s the argument?
GOATSince the 10/7 massacre of Israelis, I've been hearing from a lot of people that Jesus and Moses were both, in fact, Muslims.
So by that same logic, Djokovic's divinity means that he was the best player on hard, even in seasons before he ever hit the scene.
So, the answer is Djokovic for every single year.
Med made the final, but they both lost to Zverev. Djoko just had the bad luck of facing him in the semis.No one’s list is definitive.
Why is Djokovic above Med in ‘21? Med made double the finals, they had identical slam results and 1 Master each but Med made the YEC final.
Its not. 2016 Djokovic was the best. Not Andy Murray. There can be WRONG ranking as well.How is overall YE #1 ranked?
Then HC YE #1 should be ranked the same way.
How is overall YE #1 ranked?
Then HC YE #1 should be ranked the same way.
Med made the final, but they both lost to Zverev. Djoko just had the bad luck of facing him in the semis.
Honestly I don't consider that as a big win. But his 20 more match wins shifted the year for me.I’ve considered that, but he still won 4 matches and got through the tougher group (which included a group stage win over Z).
Djokovic has the YEC as a the tiebreaker. It's him unless you place a lot of stock in the h2h and ignore the DNP at the AO for Nadal.Its definitely between Nadal and Djokovic. Nadal won. It's okay. Nole should take this 1 year blame.
I put a lot of stock in the h2h for 2013. Djokovic is HC GOAT and in peak of his career. I thought he would do CYGS in 2013. Nadal completely overshadowed him.Djokovic has the YEC as a the tiebreaker. It's him unless you place a lot of stock in the h2h and ignore the DNP at the AO for Nadal.
In an epic kit and a crispy ass slice backhandI put a lot of stock in the h2h for 2013. Djokovic is HC GOAT and in peak of his career. I thought he would do CYGS in 2013. Nadal completely overshadowed him.
wtf are you on aboutSince the 10/7 massacre of Israelis, I've been hearing from a lot of people that Jesus and Moses were both, in fact, Muslims.
So by that same logic, Djokovic's divinity means that he was the best player on hard, even in seasons before he ever hit the scene.
So, the answer is Djokovic for every single year.
Djokovic has the YEC as a the tiebreaker. It's him unless you place a lot of stock in the h2h and ignore the DNP at the AO for Nadal.
I guess? But doing nothing at the AO versus a final is a big gap.Not playing is better than losing at the R1 since it means you simply were not available instead of playing terribly.
Djokovic has the final at the slam he didn't win and the YEC.
Nadal did better at the M1000 and has the H2H.
wtf are you on about
2003 - Roddick
2004 - Federer
2005 - Federer
2006 - Federer
2007 - Federer
2008 - Djokovic
2009 - Delpo
2010 - Federer
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - Djokovic
2013 - Djokovic
2014 - Djokovic
2015 - Djokovic
2016 - Djokovic
2017 - Federer
2018 - Djokovic
2019 - Nadal
2020 - Djokovic
2021 - Medvedev
2022 - Alcaraz
2023 - Djokovic
The title of this thread is not about most "achieved", but the best "player".Your recently found love for context is coming from a guy who used to spam this forum with endless list of Fed's accomplishments and said only numbers count. That aside, arent you also an ardent supporter of the "tennis is played against the field H2H is irrelevant" canard? Now out of a sudden one single match where "both were healthy" should decide who was better ignoring all achievements (the mono excuse aside).
The whole post is the most hilarious Display of hypocrisy I have seen here and that means something.
Djokovic won IW, Fed did not win any masters so also no HC masters. Djokovic won thr YEC , Fed lost in RR. Djokovic got to Olympic Bronce, Fed lost in QF. H2H on HC is 1:1 but Djo played Fed tougher at USO than Fed played Djoker at the AO, so you are hilariously wrong and your only argument is mono.
Yes on HC djokovic outperformed federer decisively in 2008.Djokovic outperformed Federer overall in 2008, can't see Federer ahead, especially with he fact he did not qualify for the semis of the YEC.
Djokovic won two out of the three biggest hard court titles of the year, plus a masters.
Yes on HC djokovic outperformed federer decisively in 2008.
1. Can't compare 1 is BO5 final and second is BO3 SFWho played at a higher level?
1. Thiem YEC 20 SF or Federer USO 15 final
2. Sampras USO 01 QF or Nadal RG 17 final
3. Djokovic Wim 14 final or Roddick USO 03 final
4. Wawrinka AO 15 SF or Djokovic RG 14 final
Djokovic didn’t make it out of the RR by the skin of his teeth. Even veat Davydenko and won 2 matches
20132003 - Rawduck
2004 - Ol’ Rog
2005 - Ol’ Rog
2006 - Ol’ Rog
2007 - Ol’ Rog
2008 - Joker
2009 - RAFA
2010 - RAFA
2011 - Joker
2012 - Joker
2013 - RAFA
2014 - Stanimal
2015 - Joker
2016 - Joker
2017 - Ol’ Rog
2018 - Joker
2019 - RAFA
2020 - Timmy
2021 - Mad Lad
2022 - RAFA
2023 - Joker
You should have worded your title with the word "the best" to most "most achieved"Djokovic outperformed Federer overall in 2008, can't see Federer ahead, especially with he fact he did not qualify for the semis of the YEC.
Djokovic won two out of the three biggest hard court titles of the year, plus a masters.
I dont force an opinion on you, you can claim the earth is flat for what i care. I am simply pointing out your inconsistencies in debate. You are the one who for years argued with achievements in GOAT debates as the discussion-ending argument as long as your guy was ahead and to this day regurgitates the argument of "tennis is played against the field" in any Fedal H2H discussion. Now out of a sudden you do a complete 180 and say achievements against the field do not count but their H2H (in one cherry-picked match to boot) should decide.The title of this thread is not about most "achieved", but the best "player".
This discussion is nothing more than a subjective opinion, much like the endless nauseous GOAT thread. Please refrain yourself from forcing your value/opinion on others, including hominem attack
Yeah, but in 2013, Djokovic again won two of the three biggest titles, with Nadal not even playing an entire grand slam.
This is why I give both 2008 and 2013 to Djokovic.
You should have worded your title with the word "the best" to most "most achieved"
2013 my argument is based on his level. He played some scintillating tennis and was still soundly defeated at USOpen.
Question is who is Novak's biggest rival in this time? Is it really Wawrinka or Nadal?
Nadal in 2014 was bigger threat than Wawrinka in 2015 RG.
Nadal in 2013 USO was bigger threat than Wawrinka in 2014 AO.
So who was bigger threat.
Nadal has to be a very strong contender for 2009. Even @vive le beau jeu ! believes the WTF that year was his best ever HC tournament!Yes, it was a tough loss for him, but that WTF was absolutely stacked with talent. Djokovic doesn't have a case for 2009.
Its really Nadal, Del Potro and Federer that can have a case. Personally I go with Nadal for 2009.
Nadal has to be a very strong contender for 2009. Even @vive le beau jeu ! believes the WTF that year was his best ever HC tournament!![]()
Must be @vive le beau jeu ! 's favourite tennis tournament other than maybe the ones where Nadal didnt even play.Nadal has to be a very strong contender for 2009. Even @vive le beau jeu ! believes the WTF that year was his best ever HC tournament!![]()
Med made the final, but they both lost to Zverev. Djoko just had the bad luck of facing him in the semis.
I couldn’t care less about a couple of 500s.2013
rafa: USO, IW, can, cinci
nole: AO, WTF, shanghai, paris, dubai, beijing
2019
rafa: USO, can
nole: AO, paris, tokyo
2020
thiem: USO
nole: AO, cinci, dubai
Of course you don't care. But they count. Beat Delpo Berdych and Nadal in these 2 events. Delpo has 6-5 H2H vs Nadal on HC and 1-1 in 2013. He pasted Nadal in Shanghai.I couldn’t care less about a couple of 500s.
Timmy and RAFA made both HC GS Fs in 2019-2020. I’ll take that over Tokyo lol.Of course you don't care. But they count. Beat Delpo Berdych and Nadal in these 2 events. Delpo has 6-5 H2H vs Nadal on HC and 1-1 in 2013. He pasted Nadal in Shanghai.
Timmy is a charity case. He always was. Thats why he has 2 big titles in his career.Timmy and RAFA made both HC GS Fs in 2019-2020. I’ll take that over Tokyo lol.
The point is I’ll take his HC season over Joker’s in 2020. He made the F of the AO pushing Joker to 5 and he won the 2-1 Open. I really don’t care that Joker won Dubai. Especially when he was rightfully DQ in the 4R of the 2-1 Open.Timmy is a charity case. He always was. Thats why he has 2 big titles in his career.
What is this 2-1 open. This is only bragging right you got left ? Respect the sole GOAT. And come 2024, let these two face each other. You don't want to see what will happen. 2-1 nothing. Djokovic has gone past bigger disappointments than your 2-1 ****. He always comes through. And will now put such a distance between greatest number 2.The point is I’ll take his HC season over Joker’s in 2020. He made the F of the AO pushing Joker to 5 and he won the 2-1 Open. I really don’t care that Joker won Dubai. Especially when he was rightfully DQ in the 4R of the 2-1 Open.
It’s a meme first of all. Second I’ve been far more respectful to Joker than a lot of you have been to RAFA, especially recently. Imo there have been players better than him on HC in those respective years.What is this 2-1 open. This is only bragging right you got left ? Respect the sole GOAT. And come 2024, let these two face each other. You don't want to see what will happen. 2-1 nothing. Djokovic has gone past bigger disappointments than your 2-1 ****. He always comes through. And will now put such a distance between greatest number 2.
What rubbishIt’s a meme first of all. Second I’ve been far more respectful to Joker than a lot of you have been to RAFA, especially recently. Imo there have been players better than him on HC in those respective years.
Why does Djokovic get 2020 by default? Thiem has a strong case for this one. He was one set away from winning both hardcourt slams (though it would look better if the USO final wasn't so awful), and also WTF final.2003 - Clearly Roddick
2004-2007 - Clearly Federer
2008 - Clearly Djokovic
2009 - Case to be made for Del Potro or Nadal.
2010 - Case to be made for Nadal or Federer but it's gotta be Federer.
2011 - Clearly Djokovic
2012 - Clearly Djokovic
2013 - Case for Djokovic or Nadal
2014 - Mmm, tough one, can't really go with Djokovic if he didn't win any of the slams so it's gotta be Wawrinka by default as he is ahead of Cilic.
2015 - Clearly Djokovic
2016 - Clearly Djokovic
2017 - Case to be made for Federer or Nadal but the H2H makes it for Federer because of how dominant it was.
2018 - Mmm, has to be Djokovic even tough he was terrible the first half of the year.
2019 - Case to be made for Djokovic or Nadal
2020 - Djokovic by default (no pun intended) basically but it was a strange year.
2021 - Case to be made for Djokovic or Mededev
2022 - Case to be made for Nadal or Alcaraz
2023 - Clearly Djokovic