Michael Stitch's Take on how to beat Nadal

!Tym

Hall of Fame
I wasn't offended, just offering counterpoint. And, please stop typing in caps. It's really obnoxious. You don't need to capitalize words to emphasize anything. The quality of the points will determine their force.

I'm sorry you find it "really obnoxious", but frankly I don't see why people shouldn't be able to post in the STYLE that naturally suits them. I tend to post long, because I just run stream of conscious, and that's easier for me. If I don't CAP to make it quick, I'll not free-flow, and I'll not even bother posting. You can't censure the way people naturally are, it's just leisure. If the choice is to make everyone conform to the way you want them to post, vs. just letting them be? My opinion has always been unless someone's blatantly attacking you, then just whatever, who CARES? Why does anything have to be "really obnoxious," if it really doesn't matter? I mean seriously none of this stuff posted on here matters at ALL. No, I'm sorry, if I can't post in CAPS when that's how my little fingers flow then there's no point to posting, otherwise it's no longer me posting, it's a censured likeness of me, and I'm sorry but what's more fair? Seriously, just let people post in the style they NATURALLY post. A board without personality and individuals is no board at all in my opinion. It's like telling someone with an accent you don't like, hey, man, no good, it's really obnoxious, why must you emphasize your perrrrrros like that? It's grating to my nerves? Um, ok, believe it or not, the CAPS are an extension of me as much as an accent, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it and it's as simple as that. It's less me trying to emphasize a point than that's just how I am, is that so wrong? If so, I guess my post will forever remain really obnoxious, oh well.
 
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35ft6

Legend
So I don't see how Fed can beat Nadal with any reliability on clay unless he finds a better plan then stand behind the baseline and try to go blow for blow.
But like the guy who posted the conversation between Sampras and Federer -- "it's harder than people think" -- it might not really be a viable option for Federer period. Like I said in the original post, it might literally be his best change, but not a style that significantly improves his odds of winning. Sure, he should be courageous and that might mean not hesitating to charge the net when an opportunity presents itself, what I'm disagreeing with is any implication that Federer can simply come to the net more and that playing a certain style automatically puts him in contention. Probably not what Stich meant, but it's not just Federer, perhaps Roddick's best chance of beating Nadal on clay is charging the net a lot and mixing it up, he's certainly not going to out bash him from the baseline on clay, but with that said...

But I see what you're saying. Maybe if Federer's down the line backhand was more automatic like Guga's or Safin's, he could really impose this style and not just merely hope Nadal contributes to the plan by having a sub par day.
If so, I guess my post will forever remain really obnoxious, oh well.
I think most people don't find your posts obnoxious at all. Excellent even when I disagree? Yes! Keep posting as much as possible, man.
 

CyBorg

Legend
I'm sorry you find it "really obnoxious", but frankly I don't see why people shouldn't be able to post in the STYLE that naturally suits them. I tend to post long, because I just run stream of conscious, and that's easier for me. If I don't CAP to make it quick, I'll not free-flow, and I'll not even bother posting. You can't censure the way people naturally are, it's just leisure. If the choice is to make everyone conform to the way you want them to post, vs. just letting them be? My opinion has always been unless someone's blatantly attacking you, then just whatever, who CARES? Why does anything have to be "really obnoxious," if it really doesn't matter? I mean seriously none of this stuff posted on here matters at ALL. No, I'm sorry, if I can't post in CAPS when that's how my little fingers flow then there's no point to posting, otherwise it's no longer me posting, it's a censured likeness of me, and I'm sorry but what's more fair? Seriously, just let people post in the style they NATURALLY post. A board without personality and individuals is no board at all in my opinion. It's like telling someone with an accent you don't like, hey, man, no good, it's really obnoxious, why must you emphasize your perrrrrros like that? It's grating to my nerves? Um, ok, believe it or not, the CAPS are an extension of me as much as an accent, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it and it's as simple as that. It's less me trying to emphasize a point than that's just how I am, is that so wrong? If so, I guess my post will forever remain really obnoxious, oh well.

!Tym - don't change a thing. We like you just the way you are.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
And why bring in a quote from a punk like Tyson?
Because the quote was very true. Whether Tyson was an idiot (of course he was) or not or who most of his wins were against, is besides the point. He should be credited for this very prescient comment. The point being it's easy to start trying something new - but when things start going bad, it's human nature to go back to what someone knows...



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fastdunn

Legend
and nadal keeps changing the amount of spin. sometimes he feeds relatively flat balls and let fed hit his shots. and things get tight, he just ups spin rates and federer gets dis-oriented.


And it's true that grass and hard court surfaces got slower and clay is very slow surface indeed but actually clay got faster over the years. there is more motivations to do all court plays, IMHO. Federer has all court flavor of game but I suspect the gist of his game is power baseline. I don't think he has true all court game in traditional sense. His baseline game is too good to rely on something else.
 
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morten

Hall of Fame
hit right at Nadal and attack, will cut off the angles and running passingshots he is so great at..
 

cknobman

Legend
I just dont see enough people trying to bring Nadal to net and take away those massive topspin forehands. It just seems like people get suckered into playing the baseline rallies with him and that is exactly what Nadal wants.
 
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