Murray getting closer to do something that Fedalovic could not achieve

[ARFED]

After winning Paris this week, the scot is getting closer and closer to achieve something that nobody before could do. That is win every important title that there is in tennis available to him.

The 4 majors
The Davis Cup
The WTF
Every Masters 1000
The olympic gold medal in singles

Agassi came close but missed 2 Masters (Madrid-Hamburg and Monte Carlo).
Federer still active but impossible at this point. He is missing the OG besides Rome and MC masters.
Nadal is missing the WTF, Miami and Paris. Not totally impossible but really unlikely.
Djokovic is only missing Cincinnatti and the OG. But seems really unlikely that he could be a serios contender in the next Olympic Games, 4 years from now.

So as strange as it sounds, perhaps the only one that has a realistic shot at this point is Murray. It is still a long shot, but he would be a serious threat at both, the AO and RG next year. He can grab the WTF in 2 weeks. After that is only taking Indian Wells and Monte Carlo.
How ironic would be if out of the big 4, the weakest is the one who takes them all at least once.

Finally, if Murray were good enough to do it, how would you rank this achievment. For me it is actually pretty high, almost CYGS level, perhaps even harder.

 

[Tennisanity]

Murray very underrated on this forum. Best season in 2016, things looking up from here on out.

 

[Rebel-I.N.S]

Been thinking about this a lot recently.

If Murray achieves it, he goes into the ATG category for sure.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

After winning Paris this week, the scot is getting closer and closer to achieve something that nobody before could do. That is win every important title that there is in tennis available to him.

The 4 majors
The Davis Cup
The WTF
Every Masters 1000
The olympic gold medal in singles

Agassi came close but missed 2 Masters (Madrid-Hamburg and Monte Carlo).
Federer still active but impossible at this point. He is missing the OG besides Rome and MC masters.
Nadal is missing the WTF, Miami and Paris. Not totally impossible but really unlikely.
Djokovic is only missing Cincinnatti and the OG. But seems really unlikely that he could be a serios contender in the next Olympic Games, 4 years from now.

So as strange as it sounds, perhaps the only one that has a realistic shot at this point is Murray. It is still a long shot, but he would be a serious threat at both, the AO and RG next year. He can grab the WTF in 2 weeks. After that is only taking Indian Wells and Monte Carlo.
How ironic would be if out of the big 4, the weakest is the one who takes them all at least once.

Finally, if Murray were good enough to do it, how would you rank this achievment. For me it is actually pretty high, almost CYGS level, perhaps even harder.

Yeah he needs to just win 3 of the biggest 5 titles of them all.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

And he only needs Australian Open, Roland Garros, World Tour Finals, Indian Wells and Monte Carlo...

 

[ARFED]

Yeah he needs to just win 3 of the biggest 5 titles of them all.

I said it was still a long shot, didn`t i? But you have to recognize that he is the only one with a realistic chance to do it

 

[ARFED]

And he only needs Australian Open, Roland Garros, World Tour Finals, Indian Wells and Monte Carlo...

Well, we know for sure that nobody from Serbia will do it in the near future, so....

 

[Tennis_Hands]

I said it was still a long shot, didn`t i? But you have to recognize that he is the only one with a realistic chance to do it

He has as realistic chance as the the other 3 i.e. not very realistic as it stands right now.

 

[ARFED]

He has as realistic chance as the the other 3 i.e. not very realistic as it stands right now.

Still better odds than the other 3

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Still better odds than the other 3

No, not really.

In fact, worse (with the exception of maybe Federer).

 

[mike danny]

And he only needs Australian Open, Roland Garros, World Tour Finals, Indian Wells and Monte Carlo...

Easy peasy...

No sweat.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Well, we know for sure that nobody from Serbia will do it in the near future, so....

Somebody from Serbia is missing only 2 of those 16 selected tournaments, which are a Masters and Olympic Gold. Murray is missing 5, which includes 2 Slams and WTF. No contest really.

Also, don't compare this achievement with something like 4 consecutive Slams please...

 

[Steve0904]

No offence OP, but it's probably Djokovic that still has the best shot at this. And the chances that Andy wins all the titles he needs are extremely slim anyway. He's missing 2/4ths of the career slam. One of which he's still unlikely to win even with his improved clay game. Then he needs MC (a masters on his worst surface) and IW (he hates playing there). And then he needs to beat 4 or 5 of the top 8 to win the WTF.

As everybody knows now, I'm thrilled for Andy that he's #1, but realistically he won't even get as close as Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic to winning every title, never mind actually achieving it.

This thread is overreaction city. Murray is no spring chicken. He'll be 30 next May and I'll be impressed if he can hold onto #1 until Wimbledon next year. He could lose it in 2 weeks time if we're being realistic.

 

[ARFED]

Somebody from Serbia is missing only 2 of those 16 selected tournaments, which are a Masters and Olympic Gold. Murray is missing 5, which includes 2 Slams and WTF. No contest really.

Also, don't compare this achievement with something like 4 consecutive Slams please...

Well, 4 years from now, maybe, if he is not retired yet, granpa Djoko will try to attempt this in Tokyo. He may try...

3 people have won 4 majors in a row in tennis history. No one has the full set of titles. You tell me, which feat is harder again?

 

[ARFED]

No offence OP, but it's probably Djokovic that still has the best shot at this. And the chances that Andy wins all the titles he needs are extremely slim anyway. He's missing 2/4ths of the career slam. One of which he's still unlikely to win even with his improved clay game. Then he needs MC (a masters on his worst surface) and IW (he hates playing there). And then he needs to beat 4 or 5 of the top 8 to win the WTF.

As everybody knows now, I'm thrilled for Andy that he's #1, but realistically he won't even get as close as Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic to winning every title, never mind actually achieving it.

This thread is overreaction city. Murray is no spring chicken. He'll be 30 next May and I'll be impressed if he can hold onto #1 until Wimbledon next year. He could lose it in 2 weeks time if we're being realistic.

No overreaction whatsoever, just stating the facts here IMO. He is the only one with a chance to do it. Don`t think actually Djokovic will be a top player in 4 years, let alone a serious contender in Tokyo.
As slim as his chances are of actually doing it, the scot is the only one with a shot at it

 

[Steve0904]

No overreaction whatsoever, just stating the facts here IMO. He is the only one with a chance to do it. Don`t think actually Djokovic will be a top player in 4 years, let alone a serious contender in Tokyo.
As slim as his chances are of actually doing it, the scot is the only one with a shot at it

If you're calling a chance 0.000000000001% then sure. Go ahead. I'd also argue that Djokovic's chances are way better still. Djokovic is not done winning yet. He's declined, but is not near Fedal territory. He needs to win one tournament with only a BO5 final at 33 years old (that could happen) and Cincy in between then or after. Murray needs to win 2 of the biggest titles in tennis and then win the WTF and 2 Masters starting at 29.

Djokovic's chances are WAY better. It's not even close.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Well, 4 years from now, maybe, if he is not retired yet, granpa Djoko will try to attempt this in Tokyo. He may try...

3 people have won 4 majors in a row in tennis history. No one has the full set of titles. You tell me, which feat is harder again?

Murray who isn't young either needs to win 5 specific events. Think about how much effort he will need to put in to accomplish that.

Considering Olympics and some of the Masters became important just recently, it's no surprise nobody completed this full set. I can pick any random milestone that nobody achieved yet, doesn't mean they are all harder than 4 consecutive Slams.

 

[Bukmeikara]

Murray probably would win WTF but after Australia 17 his form would go down no doubt. He is just a human entering his 30's and he would get eaten alive by the time he shows some kind of weakness. I sure hope he enjoys the moment probably would be the best in his life right after the birth of his childs and meeting his wife!

 

[KINGROGER]

If Djokovic remains at his current level, and no one else steps up, Murray could definitely do it over the next 2 seasons.

But surely another player will break through? We know Wawrinka can peak at slams, but how long for? Surely Murray can't continue as he has been this fall/winter? Winning nearly every title going.

 

[Djokovic2011]

If Murray achieved all that it'd be one hell of an achievement worthy of praise but he'd still be way behind the other three in terms of overall career achievements.

 

[broxi51]

If Murray achieved all that it'd be one hell of an achievement worthy of praise but he'd still be way behind the other three in terms of overall career achievements.

Behind the other 3 yes,but it would stand out and maybe comparable to say Agassi, Andy's childhood idol.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Behind the other 3 yes,but it would stand out and maybe comparable to say Agassi, Andy's childhood idol.

Certainly comparable to the likes of Becker, Edberg and Wilander but still some distance behind Agassi IMO.

 

[S'in-net]

After winning Paris this week, the scot is getting closer and closer to achieve something that nobody before could do. That is win every important title that there is in tennis available to him.

The 4 majors
The Davis Cup
The WTF
Every Masters 1000
The olympic gold medal in singles

Agassi came close but missed 2 Masters (Madrid-Hamburg and Monte Carlo).
Federer still active but impossible at this point. He is missing the OG besides Rome and MC masters.
Nadal is missing the WTF, Miami and Paris. Not totally impossible but really unlikely.
Djokovic is only missing Cincinnatti and the OG. But seems really unlikely that he could be a serios contender in the next Olympic Games, 4 years from now.

So as strange as it sounds, perhaps the only one that has a realistic shot at this point is Murray. It is still a long shot, but he would be a serious threat at both, the AO and RG next year. He can grab the WTF in 2 weeks. After that is only taking Indian Wells and Monte Carlo.
How ironic would be if out of the big 4, the weakest is the one who takes them all at least once.

Finally, if Murray were good enough to do it, how would you rank this achievment. For me it is actually pretty high, almost CYGS level, perhaps even harder.

I agree with this

I've been doing threads about this all the time over the last month

First target for Murray is to do the Shanghai/Paris/YEC hatrick (which has only been done by Djokovic 2015/2013)
and if you include the 'slot' set, (Stockholm/Wembley/Masters) by McEnroe 78/79, and (Tokyo/Stockholm/Masters) by Becker 88, in the open era...

 

[smoledman]

Let's see if Murray can even hold on to the #1 ranking for more than several weeks. Baby steps, no?

 

[S'in-net]

Let's see if Murray can even hold on to the #1 ranking for more than several weeks. Baby steps, no?

Nah; that's NOT the zeitgeist...

This is baby steps :

IPTL...Where you'll see a couple of well known players gingerly baby stepping onto the court again

Murray's stepping stones :

WON-ness...

 

[Terenigma]

He is not winning IW. Ever. That is his worst Masters by an absolute mile and i do not see that ever changing. He's more likely to win the French Open than IW

 

[Djokovic2011]

He is not winning IW. Ever. That is his worst Masters by an absolute mile and i do not see that ever changing.

You were probably saying the same thing earlier in the year about his chances of winning Paris.

 

[Mainad]

He is not winning IW. Ever. That is his worst Masters by an absolute mile and i do not see that ever changing. He's more likely to win the French Open than IW

Actually not. He has a final (2009) which he lost to Nadal and 2 semis (2007,2015) which he lost to Djokovic at IW. MC is the only one where he has never made a final losing in 3 semis each time to Nadal (2009,2011,2016).

 

[Terenigma]

Actually not. He has a final (2009) which he lost to Nadal and 2 semis (2007,2015) which he lost to Djokovic at IW. MC is the only one where he has never made a final losing in 3 semis each time to Nadal (2009,2011,2016).

True but everytime i watch him there, its like a roulette of who will beat him. He always looks so sluggish there. Also with Nadal on the way out, i feel like his chances to win MC are much much stronger.

You were probably saying the same thing earlier in the year about his chances of winning Paris.

Jinx. It's a beautiful thing.

 

[Meles]

No offence OP, but it's probably Djokovic that still has the best shot at this. And the chances that Andy wins all the titles he needs are extremely slim anyway. He's missing 2/4ths of the career slam. One of which he's still unlikely to win even with his improved clay game. Then he needs MC (a masters on his worst surface) and IW (he hates playing there). And then he needs to beat 4 or 5 of the top 8 to win the WTF.

As everybody knows now, I'm thrilled for Andy that he's #1, but realistically he won't even get as close as Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic to winning every title, never mind actually achieving it.

This thread is overreaction city. Murray is no spring chicken. He'll be 30 next May and I'll be impressed if he can hold onto #1 until Wimbledon next year. He could lose it in 2 weeks time if we're being realistic.

You think Djokovic is going to win the Olympics?

This can be done in 8 months before decline sets in. Calendar order:
Win WTF
Year End #1
Auz Open
Indian Wells
Monte Carlo
French Open

The hardest one on this list is the WTF win and year end number 1, but he might pull that off next year too. Murray has never made a WTF final.
I'd rate IW as a hard one too as Murray has only made one final and a number of SFs including 2015 (lost to Djoko.)

Monte Carlo and the two majors might be the easiest given Murray's recent form on clay and history at the Australian Open.

If Murray comes through somehow at WTF this is on in a big way. Right now Murray is the narrow favorite over Djoko to take WTF.

 

[Steve0904]

You think Djokovic is going to win the Olympics?

This can be done in 8 months before decline sets in. Calendar order:
Win WTF
Year End #1
Auz Open
Indian Wells
Monte Carlo
French Open

The hardest one on this list is the WTF win and year end number 1, but he might pull that off next year too. Murray has never made a WTF final.
I'd rate IW as a hard one too as Murray has only made one final and a number of SFs including 2015 (lost to Djoko.)

Monte Carlo and the two majors might be the easiest given Murray's recent form on clay and history at the Australian Open.

If Murray comes through somehow at WTF this is on in a big way. Right now Murray is the narrow favorite over Djoko to take WTF.

Right on Meles. Lay off the crack, man.

 

[Meles]

Certainly comparable to the likes of Becker, Edberg and Wilander but still some distance behind Agassi IMO.

If he pulls this off in the next 8 months, holding three of the four majors, Olympics, year end number 1, WTF would put him in the conversation especially given the holding of all Masters 1000 titles. In two weeks Murray may have already done the hard part. This forum will have a fit if he does it.

 

[Meles]

Right on Meles. Lay off the crack, man.

If he wins WTF and Djoko continues to Imaze, Murray might end up the favorite for Australia.

WTF is going to be very, very interesting this year.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

If he wins WTF and Djoko continues to Imaze, Murray might end up the favorite for Australia.

WTF is going to be very, very interesting this year.

Murray is never going to be a favourite over Djokovic in Australia as long as Djokovic is not crippled.

Sorry.

 

[Meles]

Murray is never going to be a favourite over Djokovic in Australia as long as Djokovic is not crippled.

Sorry.

Imazing confidence. Lets see what enfolds at WTF.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Imazing confidence. Lets see what enfolds at WTF.

I don't think that you can conclude much from any result at the WTF, but I maybe wrong.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

He is still very far off, considering he needs to win two different slams. A nice diverse resume nonetheless.

 

[Meles]

I don't think that you can conclude much from any result at the WTF, but I maybe wrong.

RR with Wawa, hot Berdy, and Ninja (or Cilic again) might lead to some Imazing results. Since US Open, best player Djokovic has beaten is Dimitrov and that took 3 sets. These guys in form may be a load. Draw ceremony ATP site tomorrow 3 p.m. GMT.

 

[EdMcMush]

I mean as of right now he is the favorite to win wtf, and the two slams, he is a five time runner up at AUS. He should run into one title there. And the French is a toss up, Rafa is a shell of former self. So the French biggest obstacles for him are Djok, Wawrinka and Theim. And to win some masters is no big deal. Very possible

 

[BeatlesFan]

Murray can't remotely be mentioned in the same breath as any of the ATG's. He has three majors at the age of 29.5. That ends the discussion (or should end it). All this "he might win the AO and the FO!" is pie in the sky. If and when he does it, discuss it then.

Put this into perspective: he had a great 2016 season and won Wimbledon. Compare it to any of the seasons where Roger won three majors (plus most everything else off clay), or Novak's 2011 and 2015.

 

[chjtennis]

I think Murray has a decent chance to do it, to be honest. He has all the momentum and also, I believe Djokovic/Federer/Nadal won't be as strong as they were in the past. A lot depends on Djokovic's form, though. I think he will come back better in 2017, but how much better will be the question. Even if Djokovic comes back in top form, current Murray may be able to beat him now that he has the confidence. The 'aura' is with Murray now. Murray will definitely be near unbeatable at least until Wimbledon next year. During that period, I don't think it will be impossible for him to win AO, IW, MC and RG. Could also be too much of a feat to achieve, so he should just concentrate on each tournament as they come.

 

[Bender]

Murray would also achieve something the other three will never be able to do--be the first British #1

 

[TheMusicLover]

This forum should consider changing its name to "Tennis Overreaction Talk".

 

[adil1972]

yes it would be really funny

post # 1830

 

[I Am Finnish]

RR with Wawa, hot Berdy, and Ninja (or Cilic again) might lead to some Imazing results. Since US Open, best player Djokovic has beaten is Dimitrov and that took 3 sets. These guys in form may be a load. Draw ceremony ATP site tomorrow 3 p.m. GMT.

maybe hè will find his form back or maybe not but im not writing him off hè and Murray are co favoriete

 

[I Am Finnish]

Murray is never going to be a favourite over Djokovic in Australia as long as Djokovic is not crippled.

Sorry.

He & Murray will be co favourite

 

[Meles]

maybe hè will find his form back or maybe not but im not writing him off hè and Murray are co favoriete

Imazed you don't have him as Finnish.

 

[Meles]

This forum should consider changing its name to "Tennis Overreaction Talk".

True, but what if Murray wins WTF and Nole bombs?

 

[I Am Finnish]

Imazed you don't have him as Finnish.

Maybe 25% Finnish but not 100%
Next year Djokovic Will have a 2012/13 season win 1 slam and 2 or 3 masters but there is decent chance hè will be slamless
Don't expect a multi slams season for him anymore

 

[Russeljones]

After winning Paris this week, the scot is getting closer and closer to achieve something that nobody before could do. That is win every important title that there is in tennis available to him.

The 4 majors
The Davis Cup
The WTF
Every Masters 1000
The olympic gold medal in singles

Agassi came close but missed 2 Masters (Madrid-Hamburg and Monte Carlo).
Federer still active but impossible at this point. He is missing the OG besides Rome and MC masters.
Nadal is missing the WTF, Miami and Paris. Not totally impossible but really unlikely.
Djokovic is only missing Cincinnatti and the OG. But seems really unlikely that he could be a serios contender in the next Olympic Games, 4 years from now.

So as strange as it sounds, perhaps the only one that has a realistic shot at this point is Murray. It is still a long shot, but he would be a serious threat at both, the AO and RG next year. He can grab the WTF in 2 weeks. After that is only taking Indian Wells and Monte Carlo.
How ironic would be if out of the big 4, the weakest is the one who takes them all at least once.

Finally, if Murray were good enough to do it, how would you rank this achievment. For me it is actually pretty high, almost CYGS level, perhaps even harder.

Good that you added that, lest we lose track of what actually went on, in the past decade or so.