Nadal has won 18 of his last 20 finals

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Nadal has won 18 of his last 20 finals. To be able to do this in his 30s is really incredible. :giggle:

If we take Djokovic's 20 last finals, he has won 15 and lost 5. Still good for the current no.1 but nowhere near Nadal. 8-B

I'm just mentioning this stat because Djokovic fans act as if their player is so incredible, when he really isn't that special. :sneaky:

But this thread is about Nadal's accomplishment so let's focus on that. :giggle:
 
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pj80

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Djokovic won 6 of the last 10 slams....Nadal only 3 To be able to do this in his 30s is really incredible. :giggle:
 
topher

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pj80 said:
Djokovic won 6 of the last 10 slams....Nadal only 3 To be able to do this in his 30s is really incredible. :giggle:
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By my count Rafa has won 4 of his last 10. Djokodal have both won 6 of their last 15.

And yes, stopping at 10 or 15 or 20 or etc are biased towards one or the other. Might as well just count the whole career.
 
Beckerserve

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Nadal has a far far better finals won/lost record than Djokovic which is why mentally he is much tougher.
As usual between the 2 the USO is sort of a key stat. Hard court is Novaks best surface but to be 3-5 in finals there is a black mark for sure. Not a problem if say his worse surface but to have a losing record in finals on his best surface does raise questions that neither Nadal or Federer have as on their best surface they are imperious.
 
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blablavla

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USO said:
Nadal has won 18 of his last 20 finals. To be able to do this in his 30s is really incredible. :giggle:

If we take Djokovic's 20 last finals, he has won 15 and lost 5. Still good for the current no.1 but nowhere near Nadal. 8-B

I'm just mentioning this stat because Djokovic fans act as if their player is so incredible, when he really isn't that special. :sneaky:

But this thread is about Nadal's accomplishment so let's focus on that. :giggle:
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what happens if you add to the count all the moral trophies that Nadal earned in-between those 20 finals?
 
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Actually, Nadal and Djokovic are kind of even now if you look at their overall career achievements.

If Nadal somehow falls at the FO, he's history.
 
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Nole Slam said:
Actually, Nadal and Djokovic are kind of even now if you look at their overall career achievements.

If Nadal somehow falls at the FO, he's history.
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If Djokovic doesn't noticeably improve his level, so is he. Because, even though he did pull it off at the AO, I don't think he will close the gap at the slam race playing like he is...
 
Phoenix1983

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Beckerserve said:
Nadal has a far far better finals won/lost record than Djokovic which is why mentally he is much tougher.
As usual between the 2 the USO is sort of a key stat. Hard court is Novaks best surface but to be 3-5 in finals there is a black mark for sure. Not a problem if say his worse surface but to have a losing record in finals on his best surface does raise questions that neither Nadal or Federer have as on their best surface they are imperious.
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2-1 in finals, bud.
 
USO

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ZanderGoga said:
You lose every tournament you don’t win. No bonus points awarded for going out before the finals.
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It shows that when Nadal is in form, reaching the last round, he's extremely hard to beat. Basically it highlights his mental strength and how his peak level is high.
 
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GameSetDjokovic

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USO said:
Nadal has won 18 of his last 20 finals. To be able to do this in his 30s is really incredible. :giggle:

If we take Djokovic's 20 last finals, he has won 15 and lost 5. Still good for the current no.1 but nowhere near Nadal. 8-B

I'm just mentioning this stat because Djokovic fans act as if their player is so incredible, when he really isn't that special. :sneaky:

But this thread is about Nadal's accomplishment so let's focus on that. :giggle:
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You need to start charging Novak rent. Just saying.
 
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blablavla said:
which proves that Djokovic is also 1 trick pony
and according to TT math & logic, since 17>20>20, then we can easily conclude that 1 trick pony is obviously > 1 trick pony

et voila
no need to thank
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17 ? I guess we're not including AO08, cause it's before 2011, so it doesn't count, right ?
 
PerilousPear

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USO said:
Nadal has as many US Open titles as Djokovic has French Open & US Open titles combined. :-D
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What does that mean lol?

So FO and US Open are Djokovic's two weakest slams, and USO is Nadal's 2nd best.
Nadal has three titles combined at his 2 weakest slams, while Djokovic has 5 at his second best.
 
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PerilousPear said:
What does that mean lol?

So FO and US Open are Djokovic's two weakest slams, and USO is Nadal's 2nd best.
Nadal has three titles combined at his 2 weakest slams, while Djokovic has 5 at his second best.
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It means that if Nadal is supposedly a one trick pony, then how come in a slam outside his supposedly "one trick pony" FO he can still manage to win 4 US Open titles which is as much as Djokovic's combined total in 2 slams? :unsure: :-D:sneaky: 8-B

You know you've been waiting for it... ---> :giggle:
 
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GameSetDjokovic

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USO said:
It means that if Nadal is supposedly a one trick pony, then how come in a slam outside his supposedly "one trick pony" FO he can still manage to win 4 US Open titles which is as much as Djokovic's combined total in 2 slams? :unsure: :-D:sneaky: 8-B

You know you've been waiting for it... ---> :giggle:
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Charge him rent! Charge him rent!
 
PerilousPear

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USO said:
It means that if Nadal is supposedly a one trick pony, then how come in a slam outside his supposedly "one trick pony" FO he can still manage to win 4 US Open titles which is as much as Djokovic's combined total in 2 slams? :unsure: :-D:sneaky: 8-B

You know you've been waiting for it... ---> :giggle:
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You forgot to factor in luck as well, luck of the draw, and luck of the scheduling.

I can easily find some M1000 draws that are legitimately tougher than 3 out of 4 Nadal's US Open draws in which he won. 8-B

20 slams > 17 slams + 3 glorified ATP 250s.
 
Sunny014

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USO said:
Nadal has as many US Open titles as Djokovic has French Open & US Open titles combined. :-D
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Djokovic is a complete player.

US opens cannot be added to frenchs to prove anything, thats like adding Sampras's french opens (0) to his US opens 5 and saying thats same as Federer's US open, does that make sense ???

US open can only be added to Aus open since they are both HCs.

On HCs :

Djoker 12 > Fed 11 > Sampras's 7 (this can be extrapolated to 10+ since careers ended at 30 in his time) >> Nadal's 5

On Grass

Again Nadal with 2 is nowhere, he is not an ATG even

on the WTFs .... nadal is on 0 .... nadal is far behind novak-roger-pete

weeks at 1 ... nadal is far behind novak-roger-pete

Hence proved nadal is the 1 trick pony
 
Sunny014

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2 Slams on HCs out of 4 in an year ...... So 50%
1 Slam on Clay out of 4 in an year ........ So 25%
1 Slam on Grass out of 4 in an year ....... So 25%

Djokovic ......

On HCs he has 12/18 = 67 % which is only 17% extra for his favorite turf.
Outside his favorite HC he has 6/18 = 33 % which is 17% below the remaining 50%

So +17/-17

Federer ....

On Grass he has 8/20 = 40 % which is just 15% extra to the 25% allocated for grass
Outside Grass he has 12/20 = 60% which is just 15% below the remaining 75%

So +15/-15

Nadal is the most 1 dimensional ...

On Clay ..... he has 13/20 = 65 % which is like 40% above the 25% ...
Outside Clay .... he has 7/20 = 35 % which is like 40% below the 75%

So +40/-40

( Huge dependency on clay )

Check for prev era greats

Sampras ..... 7/14 = 50% which is extra 25 % on 25 %
Outside grass .... 50% vs 75 % ... so under 25%

+25/-25

Agassi

HCs ... 6/8 = 75 % .... which is extra 25% on 50%
Outside HCs .... 25% for 50% .... behind by 25%

So thats +25/-25

Nadal is proven to be 1 trick pony again
 
Tiki-Taka

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Nadal has done great in recent years independant on Novak's results. He is still number one and the man to beat at many events so this attempt of a dig at him is as bad as the previous ones.
 
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MadariKatu said:
If Djokovic doesn't noticeably improve his level, so is he. Because, even though he did pull it off at the AO, I don't think he will close the gap at the slam race playing like he is...
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No it’s just that Novak isn’t great on clay anymore. This has been obvious for a few years now. It’s a different story on hard courts and grass though where he’s the no1 favourite.
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
No it’s just that Novak isn’t great on clay anymore. This has been obvious for a few years now. It’s a different story on hard courts and grass though where he’s the no1 favourite.
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His path to the AO semis was full of very unconvincing wins. He played good from then on (even though Medvedev didn't, his level was there), but I wasn't talking only about clay.
 
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MadariKatu said:
His path to the AO semis was full of very unconvincing wins. He played good from then on (even though Medvedev didn't, his level was there), but I wasn't talking only about clay.
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Yes but at Australia when it mattered he can raise his level and play at a very high level. That’s not the case on clay anymore. His best days are behind him on clay.
 
ChaelAZ

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tudwell said:
Federer hasn’t lost a final since Wimbledon almost two years ago. Incredible.
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Sunny014

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BeatlesFan said:
Let's talk when either Nadal or Djokovic win 3 slams after the age of 35. Rafa has a chance to start doing this in June at RG.
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Problem is that Federer already underperformed from age 29-34 by winning just 1 slam, so that will bury him in the slams race. His heroics post age 35 won't be enough to tell his greatness since his rivals will cross him.
 
Sunny014

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Performance from age 29-34

Djokovic - 7 Slams (still only 33 - so 1 more year left)
Nadal - 6 Slams
Agassi - 5 Slams

Federer - 1 Slam
Sampras - 1 Slam

This will come back to bite him or his arse, 2 ATGs below him destroyed him!
 
GabeT

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Beckerserve said:
Nadal has a far far better finals won/lost record than Djokovic which is why mentally he is much tougher.
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As usual, you are wrong. It‘s one of your defining characteristics! :-D :-D :cool:

so if instead of looking at some arbitrary number we look at their careers we find that both have won 70% of the finals they played.

always happy to help educate the masses
 
USO

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Now you can add another win in a Final to Nadal and another loss in a Final to Djokovic. 8-B
 
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