Nadal himself confirms he asked for Bernardes removal from his matches

Prabhanjan

Professional
Yawn.

Nothing scandalous, unfair, shocking (etc.) about any of this.

Do people really not know that this is standard practice or are they feigning ignorance?.

I've been aware of this for years.

I wanted to say something similar on your lines. Why have an umpire if it overall results in more clashes. It is not as big of a catastrophe its being projected. However, won't say much more.

P.S.: This is not about supporting Nadal.
 

Crisstti

Legend
I wanted to say something similar on your lines. Why have an umpire if it overall results in more clashes. It is not as big of a catastrophe its being projected. However, won't say much more.

P.S.: This is not about supporting Nadal.

It isn't even about that imo. One can think it's a good practice or not, but the fact remains, it's STANDARD PRACTICE. So the "shock" is ridiculous.
 

pame

Hall of Fame
Do you think any of them want to be singled-out like #Carlos? LOL. None of them want to be next.


#AngiesLyst

So you've just confirmed one of people's main contentions about this whole affair - that Nadal's actions are largely meant to say to the other umpires "Don't dare enforce the rules with me"
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
So you've just confirmed one of people's main contentions about this whole affair - that Nadal's actions are largely meant to say to the other umpires "Don't dare enforce the rules with me"

Rafa is not against enforcing the rules, he is just against enforcing the rules on HIM.

So, it's not as bad as people think. That's fair don't you think?

Nadal wasn't even sorry he was fined for on court coaching. He was sorry that he got caught.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Yawn.

Nothing scandalous, unfair, shocking (etc.) about any of this.

Do people really not know that this is standard practice or are they feigning ignorance?.

I've been aware of this for years.

You are saying this now, because you re Nadal fan. If you were the one playing tennis vs a guy breaking the rules and umpires did nothing, you wouldn't be so happy about this.

Nadal fans dismiss this, but hey if that injustice would happen to them, I bet, they would change their tune.

Anyway, it's not a scandal. Life isn't fair, I just have to deal with it. Some good deeds aren't noticed and bad deeds don't get punished.

This is life, so we have to accept that it isn't fair.

Is it fair that pros are rich and a lot of people are dying from starvation?
 

pame

Hall of Fame
Oh my, is this the new haters' line?, Rafa put the shots on backwards on purpose?.

Lol :)



Well, he DID notice, that's why he changed them.

I think it was Murray who was recently given a warning due to him tying his shoes. SImilar lack of judgement from the umpire.

You fail to mention the rule that makes that an automatic time violation.

This is explicit in the rulebook. If you have to fix your equipment (including clothing) it's an automatic time violation unless the equipment error was totally out of your control (e.g. Rafa's shoelace at the 2014 AO or a broken racquet string). In this case, putting on his shorts backwards is Rafa's fault, so changing them when play should be happening is an automatic time violation (credit to yessh)
 
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jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Aren't rules unfair to cheaters? Aren't we discriminating against cheaters?

I think people who want to cheat should have the right and there should be separate cheating league, where everything is allowed.

I don't mind cheaters cheating other cheaters, the only problem is when cheaters cheat honest people.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
I am stunned...but then why should i be surprised. This is Rafael Nadal and this is ATP.

But then, doesn't Roland Garros come under ITF.
 

smash hit

Professional
How do you come on to the court with your shorts on backwards and not notice. I could see a shirt, but shorts? Really?

He was trying to emulate Roger Federer

federer.jpg


I would have thought it would be easy to get shorts the wrong way, but trousers?
 
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smash hit

Professional
http://www.sportsnet.ca/tennis/nadal-asks-atp-to-not-put-umpire-in-his-matches/

QUOTE

" At Roland Garros, the French tennis federation handles chair umpire assignments." A federation spokesperson said, " there was no request by Nadal to avoid Bernardes during the French Open, but added that it’s common knowledge the two have a tense relationship so it makes sense not to put them on the same court."

ATP spokesman Simon Higson said," the tour wouldn’t comment on any specific decisions related to how it picks chair umpires for matches." Speaking generally about a player asking for a certain umpire to be kept away from his matches, Higson wrote in an email: "Requests such as this are not uncommon, either from the player or the umpire."
 

vernonbc

Legend
http://www.sportsnet.ca/tennis/nadal-asks-atp-to-not-put-umpire-in-his-matches/

At Roland Garros, the French tennis federation handles chair umpire assignments. A federation spokesperson said there was no request by Nadal to avoid Bernardes during the French Open, but added that it’s common knowledge the two have a tense relationship so it makes sense not to put them on the same court.

ATP spokesman Simon Higson said the tour wouldn’t comment on any specific decisions related to how it picks chair umpires for matches. Speaking generally about a player asking for a certain umpire to be kept away from his matches, Higson wrote in an email:

"Requests such as this are not uncommon, either from the player or the umpire."
 

vernonbc

Legend
The last line, the email from the ATP, needs to be emphasized.

"Requests such as this are not uncommon, either from the player or the umpire."
 
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smash hit

Professional
^^^ Thanks for correcting the format for me. Apologies if that is not what you were doing.

I agree that the last line needed emphasizing.
 

vernonbc

Legend
^^^ Thanks for correcting the format for me. Apologies if that is not what you were doing.

I agree that the last line needed emphasizing.

No, I wasn't correcting anything. I hadn't refreshed so didn't realize you had posted the same article. Oops. :)
 

vernonbc

Legend
Gotta love how the anti-Nadal brigade is all outraged over the incident without knowing any of the facts.

This happened in the match that went on until 3:40 in the morning - yes, 3:40 a.m. - because the tournament had screwed up the scheduling so badly. It was still very hot and extremely humid at that hour and the sweat had been pouring off Rafa and he had already gotten two or three time violations because he had had to dry off between points. Between the second and third set (as he had between the first and second), Rafa's shorts were dripping wet so he ran down the (unlit) tunnel to change them. He didn't bother to go to the locker room as that would have taken more time.

He realized what was wrong as soon as he got back on court but Bernardes wouldn't let him go fix them so he rushed out to serve the first game even though his pocket for the spare ball couldn't be used. At the changeover he wrapped the towel around himself and changed them on court while Bernardes sat there laughing loudly. Rafa was furious, and understandably so.

The haters can say what they want about the stars getting special treatment but the fact is that once Rafa was confirmed for the tourney, they installed a couple of thousand extra temporary seats because Rafa (and Federer) can and do draw that many extra paying customers in. The 'stars' also do a ton of media and special promotion to publicize the events. They earn their appearance fees and they most certainly don't deserve to be disrespected by the officials who wouldn't have jobs if these 'stars' didn't make the tournaments successful.

The media should also be ashamed of themselves for making this a big deal without informing people of the facts and the story behind the issue.
 

eliars

Hall of Fame
So Rafa tells it like it is; that ATP and ITF favour the money makers of the sport and that such money makers are able to get special treatment over the guys below them - and people are shocked?

The irony is that the fan bases on here, who mostly are pro the money makers, are lashing out on one of the money makers while failing to realize, the money maker they themselves hold dear, is also given special treatment. And yes, this applies to both Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic.

The discussion is futile as such. If people start talking about 'the integrity of the sport', then people should start bringing up the players on the circuit outside the Top 100 who barely can make ends meet: Focus on the ridiculously uneven distributed prize money, focus on the tennis format greatly favouring the top players, focus on sponsorship deals etc.

People who get their knickers in a twist over Nadal managing to get his request of sidelining an umpire for his matches through, are either ignorant and/or just pretending to be outraged 'on behalf of tennis', as it gives them an excuse to bash one of the money makers they dislike. If you want to take the moral high ground, stop splitting hairs on the top players and take a look at the face of the organizations, to shed light on the fundamental problems of far greater significance - those that are deeply-rooted within the sport itself.
 
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So Rafa tells it like it is; that ATP and ITF favour the money makers of the sport and that such money makers are able to get special treatment over the guys below them - and people are shocked?

The irony is that the fan bases on here, who mostly are pro the money makers, are lashing out on one of the money makers while failing to realize, the money maker they themselves hold dear, is also given special treatment. And yes, this applies to both Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic.

The discussion is futile as such. If people start talking about 'the integrity of the sport', then people should start bringing up the players on the circuit outside the Top 100 who barely can make ends meet: Focus on the ridiculously uneven distributed prize money, focus on the tennis format greatly favouring the top players, focus on sponsorship deals etc.

People who get their knickers in a twist over Nadal managing to get his request of sidelining an umpire for his matches through, are either ignorant and/or just pretending to be outraged 'on behalf of tennis', as it gives them an excuse to bash one of the money makers they dislike. If you want to take the moral high ground, stop splitting hairs on the top players and take a look at the face of the organizations, to shed light on the fundamental problems of far greater significance - those that are deeply-rooted within the sport itself.
You think every one of us knows exactly what is going on behind the scene at the ATP Tour?

Hell I don't know that you can actually pay ATP or ITF to get to choose your umpire.

Is this true?

If that so, can a player pay ITF too so that they don't get tested for doping?

Can they?

If that so, Sports is a corrupt world. It is better to be living in an ordinary and real humble life.

If FIFA does it, UCI does it, ITF does it, ATP does it.

Sports is no longer Sports. Sports is Money.

This world worships money.

Shame on ITF and ATP.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Gotta love how the anti-Nadal brigade is all outraged over the incident without knowing any of the facts.
That's just the way it is here. I would have been long gone except there are few smart people in this forum, and I try to talk only to them.

There are always at least "three sides" to a story. There is one side, the other side, and then there is the truth.

The shorts thing is funny. As I said a day or so ago, I once did the same thing myself. Nadal pushes the time limit thing all the time, so it's a bit like the "boy who cried wolf." But I can see it from his side too.

In general I think he is a very polite guy, so looking at it from that view I tend to give him the benefit of he doubt. He could be an arrogant jerk, based on what he has accomplished, and that is one thing I do NOT think he is.
 
your point being?
Thanks for posting that very interesting article. Tennis "journalism" is normally so lame because the relationship between "journalists" and players is so incestuous. This article revealed a lot that Brett Haber, Tracey Austin and Mary Carillo don't touch.

If Rafa was wearing tights under his tennis shorts then I don't know why he just didn't slip 'em off and head 'em in the right direction. If he was only wearing a jock then maybe not--but it would have made a great photo-op and brought tennis into the eye of the general public on the 11pm snooze or NTZ. If he was wearing only briefs that would have been a judgement call but would have been appreciated by his fans, he changes his shirt in front of the crowd, why not his shorts? There's a lot more risque' stuff on TV these days then some jock's jock--tennis is boring to so many because it's still stuck in it's Victorian roots and the more's of the 3/3.5 matrons at the country club. Having a bevy of ball kids surrounding him would have looked ridiculous and called more attention to it then just a quick slip and a reversal--the apparel manufacturers need to develop uni-directional shorts, I hate it when I do that, it cramps my style.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
This is a sad story that you present, but the fact is that the umpire has a book of rules and he's paid to enforce them without fear or favour.

Gotta love how the anti-Nadal brigade is all outraged over the incident without knowing any of the facts.

This happened in the match that went on until 3:40 in the morning - yes, 3:40 a.m. - because the tournament had screwed up the scheduling so badly. It was still very hot and extremely humid at that hour and the sweat had been pouring off Rafa and he had already gotten two or three time violations because he had had to dry off between points. Between the second and third set (as he had between the first and second), Rafa's shorts were dripping wet so he ran down the (unlit) tunnel to change them. He didn't bother to go to the locker room as that would have taken more time.

He realized what was wrong as soon as he got back on court but Bernardes wouldn't let him go fix them so he rushed out to serve the first game even though his pocket for the spare ball couldn't be used. At the changeover he wrapped the towel around himself and changed them on court while Bernardes sat there laughing loudly. Rafa was furious, and understandably so.

The haters can say what they want about the stars getting special treatment but the fact is that once Rafa was confirmed for the tourney, they installed a couple of thousand extra temporary seats because Rafa (and Federer) can and do draw that many extra paying customers in. The 'stars' also do a ton of media and special promotion to publicize the events. They earn their appearance fees and they most certainly don't deserve to be disrespected by the officials who wouldn't have jobs if these 'stars' didn't make the tournaments successful.

The media should also be ashamed of themselves for making this a big deal without informing people of the facts and the story behind the issue.
 
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