Headshotterer
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Why do people assume Djokovic is better? Nadal has more HC slams and titles than him
Nadal is strong on hard courts
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Clarky21
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Prilosec has won 4 hardcourt slams to Nadal's 2. Not sure how many hardcourt masters Prilosec has but I would be shocked if Nadal had more than him.
Murrayfan31
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Haha. Good joke man. Nadal good on hardcourts? Lmao
Sid_Vicious
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I am sure Djokovic has more. I don't think Nadal has won a HC masters since IW 2009. I could be wrong though.
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NadalAgassi
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He is the 3rd best hard court player of his era. I guess if he is bad everyone else must really suck, including your namesake. Every player who wins the Australian Open, U.S Open, makes numerous Australian and U.S Open finals, wins the Olympics on hard courts, and a half dozen hard court Masters must also suck on it.
Bender
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RafatheChamp
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Djokovic 3 Aussie Opens+ 1 US Open > Nadal 1 Aussie Open and 1 US Open.
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I'd put Federer, Djokovic, and Murray over him, which would leave him in fourth. It's tough to say, though. Nadal has two slams, which is huge, but Murray has more Masters and overall titles and only one less slam final on the surface. Nadal's certainly a better slam player, which is why that discrepancy exists, but I think Murray's a better overall hard court player.
Outdoor/Indoor
I think one needs to make the distinction between outdoor and indoor hard courts. Nadal is an excellent outdoor hard court player. Particularly in this era when hard courts have slowed down to near clay speeds. He leads Federer 5-2 on outdoor hard courts.
His weakest surface is indoor hard. I'm sorry for those who don't think this is a distinct surface from outdoor hard - it just is. It plays quite differently than outdoor. Just compare Nadal's outdoor results vs indoor to see what I mean. That is why the only major gap in Nadal's resume is the Season end finals. He may win it one day - but it is the hardest for him to win because it is on indoor hard.
I think one needs to make the distinction between outdoor and indoor hard courts. Nadal is an excellent outdoor hard court player. Particularly in this era when hard courts have slowed down to near clay speeds. He leads Federer 5-2 on outdoor hard courts.
His weakest surface is indoor hard. I'm sorry for those who don't think this is a distinct surface from outdoor hard - it just is. It plays quite differently than outdoor. Just compare Nadal's outdoor results vs indoor to see what I mean. That is why the only major gap in Nadal's resume is the Season end finals. He may win it one day - but it is the hardest for him to win because it is on indoor hard.
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forzamilan90
Legend
OP should check out info before posting crap. Djokovic has more Hard court slams.
I would not consider indoor a different surface. Any surface can be played indoors. I remember Murray beating Wawrinka under a closed roof at Wimbledon. Does that make it a different surface for that one match?
I mean, it's still something to take note of. Some players succeed indoors where they can't outdoors precisely because so many external factors are removed. But it's not a different surface.
WhiskeyEE
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It has nothing to do with indoor vs outdoor. He sucks on fast hard courts. And most fast hard courts happen to be indoors.
He doesn't just suck at WTF. He sucks at Shanghai and Cinci as well. Both outdoor fast hard courts.
He has only won 62% of his matches at Cinci. That's his worst for all tournaments (not counting WTF which has a different format). It's also the fastest hard court. You do the math.
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MichaelNadal
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Nadal is really good on HC. REALLY good. It's just completely overlooked bc he's even better on clay.
Blinkism
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There's maybe 2 or 3 guys at any point better than him on hardcourts on a consistent level and one of them hasn't proven his mettle in slams and one is nowhere near as dominant as he used to be (or even as Nadal is at the moment on HC's).
Basically, Djoker is his only superior on the surface in the world now, in the big picture and he plays well enough to take it to him (their last HC meeting is great evidence for that.
I'd call that pretty good. He just prioritizes slams over Masters and smaller tourneys. I'm not saying that's right, but it's not evidence that he's not good on hardcourts.
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tusharlovesrafa
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Conditions
Well you can think of it being different conditions. And those conditional factors are so strong that it can change the outcome considerably. Just compare Nadal and Federer's head to head on indoor hard court vs outdoor hard court to see a strong example of that. Federer dominates the former whereas Nadal dominates the latter.
Well you can think of it being different conditions. And those conditional factors are so strong that it can change the outcome considerably. Just compare Nadal and Federer's head to head on indoor hard court vs outdoor hard court to see a strong example of that. Federer dominates the former whereas Nadal dominates the latter.
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