Nadal questions Wimbledon's seeding system
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nochweiterroger
Rookie
Herman David was the man who ended the amateur system and brought in the open era when in ?1968 (not sure about the year) he ruled that both 'amateur' and 'professional' players could participate at Wimbledon. That was probably the biggest change in tennis history ever.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Nadal is actually questioning the seeds they use in the grass courts. The seeds should be of best quality, extra virgin organic non-HMO Spanish grass seeds, not poor English seeds.Nadal questions everything except himself,.No surprise.
Seeding of players just sounds obscene.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
That piece of wisdom seems on a par with May's 'Brexit is Brexit' or Monsieur Jourdain's sudden revelation that he had been speaking prose for forty years without ever knowing it.
xFullCourtTenniSx
Hall of Fame
Honestly, I'm not entirely against the idea of having a few WTFs on clay AND GRASS (let's not forget the LEAST REPRESENTED SURFACE). And the 2 year performance influencing rankings one would've given Federer the #1 ranking from 2004 to 2010, maybe even 2011, uninterrupted. It would favor consistency even more, which isn't necessarily in Nadal's favor. It works better for (prime) Federer and Djokovic. Though it becomes harder for younger players to break through the rankings. It would take them an extra year to pad their points up.
But the Wimbledon seeding I feel is great. It'd be nicer if they had more grass courts to work with. But with so few, you can't really complain too much since other players won't have many opportunities to earn bonus points for their seeding, especially when your previous results were terrible anyways.
But the Wimbledon seeding I feel is great. It'd be nicer if they had more grass courts to work with. But with so few, you can't really complain too much since other players won't have many opportunities to earn bonus points for their seeding, especially when your previous results were terrible anyways.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Results reflect ability on surface.
One RG.
Seven Wimbledons.
How would you or anyone else possibly expect equivalent results late in his career on the surface that was always his weakest surface?
He hasn't declined worse on clay. He started OUT worse on clay.
It's the opposite of Nadal, who started out worse on fast surfaces and now has far more problem winning on fast surfaces.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
The point about grinding is pointless unless it results in older players losing more and young players winning more.
If your point holds, it has to be reflected in results.
And it is not.
To be honest, I'd agree with you, logically. I would say in a heartbeat, "That must be true. You have these young kids running around forever. They never get tired. The recover in zero time. But in grass you win quickly, save wear and tear on the boy. So the older you get, the bigger advantage you should have on grass, the harder it should be to win on clay."
But facts simply do not support that idea.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa will always use more then 20 sec to serve, he will always question the seeding system in Wimbledon and he will always want less HC on the tour.
Get over it. It has been like this for many years. There are worse things to be worried about.
Get over it. It has been like this for many years. There are worse things to be worried about.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
We are talking about Wimbledon.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Good one.
they have to get through the first week though.....on actual grass
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
pame
Hall of Fame
You don't like to see-men being seeded?
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
So Rafa is good on grass then, because he has made the finals 5 times.
Zoolander
Hall of Fame
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Fed just has to wait for the draws to be rigged.
nadal had a lot of luck making those 5 finals,not to mention resorting to various scallywag activities in the process
But still he went from almost being a shoe in for SF/F at the French to being blown off the court by likes of Gulbis and Tsonga at QF stage.
I don't have any facts to support this but I see your point about his original Wimbledon level being so much higher, than any drop still is good enough to reach the final regularly.
He can make up for his diminished grass return game with his serving.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
May luck shine on him again.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Meeting Nadal three times this year ... and you call the draws rigged !
Don't fall so low, CQ !
tennis_crazy
Semi-Pro
What a great idea....wow!!
bitcoinoperated
Professional
There are arguments both ways but the current system does make some sense.
The GS don't all match up anyway ie. USO has a 5th set TB ffs.
The GS don't all match up anyway ie. USO has a 5th set TB ffs.
tennis_crazy
Semi-Pro
Of course it had to be rigged, since Bull got tamed pretty badly!!Meeting Nadal three times this year ... and you call the draws rigged !
Don't fall so low, CQ !
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
That's all I'm saying. There was a huge drop in his return game on clay and grass, both pretty steady in later years.
But if you compare all his clay vs grass stats it shows he was never the same kind of totally dominant clay player. I think he should have more than one RG, however. He lost matches on clay that he should not have lost early in his career.
In contrast, he has had a few very good years returning on HCs.
One of his best years should have been 2004. He was still very young and could run everything down. But he had two really bad losses that year in Rome and in RG.
2005 was almost a great year, but he only played three tournies on clay and lost two of them. Most people have not noticed how light Fed was even then in playing clay tournies.
This year his return stats overall have not been terribly impressive. If he had lost those three matches to Nadal it would have been a so-so year. But three in a row for Fedal matches are pretty much all he needed this year.
Jaitock1991
Hall of Fame
Clearly the seedings for Wimbledon should be based only on previous clay results, no? Screw everything else.
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