Nadal splits with Toni

[octobrina10]

Federer didn't just end the GOAT debate but unwittingly ended Tio as well.

It's a Fed worshiper's wishful thinking. Hahahahahaaa!

 

[Service Ace]

It's a Fed worshiper's wishful thinking. Hahahahahaaa!

Right, so if Nadal had won Tio would still be calling it quits? I don't think so

 

[octobrina10]

Right, so if Nadal had won Tio would still be calling it quits? I don't think so

U.Toni hasn't quit! He is going to coach Rafa and traveling with him until the end of this season. Toni was appointed as the Head of Rafa's academy inaugurated last autumn and he wants to focus on the academy next year, instead of traveling with Rafa. U.Toni also wants to pay more attention to his own family, his two sons are students of the academy. Toni discussed his plans with Rafa's father and C.Moya already before the 2017 AO final. Reaching the AO final was a better than expected result for Rafa.

 

[clayqueen]

Right, so if Nadal had won Tio would still be calling it quits? I don't think so

Some people don't want the facts to get in the way.

 

[cc0509]

U.Toni hasn't quit! He is going to coach Rafa and traveling with him until the end of this season. Toni was appointed as the Head of Rafa's academy inaugurated last autumn and he wants to focus on the academy next year, instead of traveling with Rafa. U.Toni also wants to pay more attention to his own family, his two sons are students of the academy. Toni discussed his plans with Rafa's father and C.Moya already before the 2017 AO final. Reaching the AO final was a better than expected result for Rafa.

I'm sure that's all true but you have to admit the timing of Toni's announcement right after Nadal's loss to Federer at the AO is interesting. I mean if Nadal can't beat his slam pigeon for the past 10 years it may be time to listen to some new voices, no?

 

[octobrina10]

I'm sure that's all true but you have to admit the timing of Toni's announcement right after Nadal's loss to Federer at the AO is interesting. I mean if Nadal can't beat his slam pigeon for the past 10 years it may be time to listen to some new voices, no?

You are wrong - Toni did not announce it "right after Rafa's loss'" ! He talked about his plans to Rafa's dad before that.
'A new voice' - Carlos Moya - was added to the Rafa team in the middle of last December.
Haven't you heard that Rafa hadn't reached the GS final since June 2014 ? His best GS result between June 2014 and January 2017 was reaching the QFs.

 

[cc0509]

You are wrong - Toni did not announce it "right after Rafa's loss'" ! He talked about his plans before that.
'A new voice' - Carlos Moya - was added to the Rafa team in the middle of last December.
Haven't you heard that Rafa hadn't reached the GS final since June 2014 ? His best GS result between June 2014 and January 2017 was reaching the QFs.

He "talked" about his plans before that but he made a definitive announcement 2 weeks after Nadal's loss to Federer at the AO and also said he felt like he wasn't in control of decisions the way he was in the past due to voices like Moya and Rafa's dad!

Reaching a slam final is great but it doesn't compare to winning a slam when you have 14 of them and you played a player in the final who is five years older and who you have had the mental edge over for 10 years! I don't think that went over very well for Nadal and his anger showed after that loss. He looked like he was ready to tear somebody's head off and I can't say I blame him. That was a huge legacy match which probably changed the course of the Federer-Nadal careers for good. It's going to be tough for Nadal to win five more slams at his age whereas if he won the AO, perhaps winning two or three more may have been doable.

 

[Bartelby]

Facts are facts when they are reliably reported. All the Nadal team provides is official confirmation sometime after the fact.

 

[octobrina10]

He "talked" about his plans before that but he made a definitive announcement 2 weeks after Nadal's loss to Federer at the AO...

Toni did not indend to make any announcements. He attended a coaching conference in Budapest last weekend and answered to some questions about his plans for the academy. Italian publication 'IL Tennis Italiano' made a big fuss over his comments.

...also said he felt like he wasn't in control of decisions the way he was in the past due to voices like Moya and Rafa's dad...

No, Toni did not say anything about Moya. According to EL Tennis Italiano, Toni said: “Until Rafael was 17, I decided everything, and then came the agent Carlos Costa, and then Rafael’s father got more involved, each one with their opinions. The truth is that with every year that passes, I decide less, and we have arrived at the point where I decide nothing.” Toni explained to the Spanish media on Tuesday that the last part of that comment was a joke and that it was 'normal' that the decision-making process be shared and that, above all, it was 'normal' that Rafa makes the big decisions.

...Reaching a slam final is great but it doesn't compare to winning a slam when you have 14 of them and you played a player in the final who is five years older and who you have had the mental edge over for 10 years!...

It looks that you don't know anything about what happened to Rafa during last 2.5 years.

 

[cc0509]

Toni did not indend to make any announcements. He attended a coaching conference in Budapest last weekend and answered to some questions about his plans for the academy. Italian publication 'IL Tennis Italiano' made a big fuss over his comments.


No, Toni did not say anything about Moya. According to EL Tennis Italiano, Toni said: “Until Rafael was 17, I decided everything, and then came the agent Carlos Costa, and then Rafael’s father got more involved, each one with their opinions. The truth is that with every year that passes, I decide less, and we have arrived at the point where I decide nothing.” Toni explained to the Spanish media on Tuesday that the last part of that comment was a joke and that it was 'normal' that the decision-making process be shared and that, above all, it was 'normal' that Rafa makes the big decisions.


It looks that you don't know anything about what happened to Rafa during last 2.5 years.

What I know is that Nadal lost a final to Federer at the AO which most people assumed (including probably Federer's parents) that Nadal would win. It was a bad loss for Nadal and a legacy match which put to rest the GOAT talk at least for now.

What I also know is you know nothing more about Nadal and what really goes on than anybody else and your insistence that you do is beyond annoying and silly. Your fanaticism knows no bounds. Doesn't it get tiresome even for you?

 

[octobrina10]

What I know is that Nadal lost a final to Federer at the AO which most people assumed (including probably Federer's parents) that Nadal would win. It was a bad loss for Nadal and a legacy match which put to rest the GOAT talk at least for now.

What I also know is you know nothing more about Nadal and what really goes on than anybody else and your insistence that you do is beyond annoying and silly. Your fanaticism knows no bounds. Doesn't it get tiresome even for you?

Pundits assumed that Rafa didn't reach the QFs.

I am sticking to the facts available to everyone. Learning facts is not tiring. Reading made-up stories is tiring.

 

[cc0509]

Pundits assumed that Rafa didn't reach the QFs.

I am sticking to the facts available to everyone.

YOU had him reaching every slam final and winning every slam for the past two and a half years. I'm sure you also thought that he would beat Federer once you learned it was going to be a Federer-Nadal final. So spare us please.

He's got a lot of work to do to better Federer.

 

[octobrina10]

YOU had him reaching every slam final and winning every slam for the past two and a half years. I'm sure you also thought that he would beat Federer once you learned it was going to be a Federer-Nadal final. So spare us please.

He's got a lot of work to do to better Federer.

I always root for Rafa - no matter what. It means that I send him positive vibes.

 

[cc0509]

I always root for Rafa - no matter what. It means that I send him positive vibes.

They haven't been working for the past two years! Have you used up your voodoo dolls/pins?

 

[octobrina10]

They haven't been working for the past two years! Have you used up your voodoo dolls/pins?

Being a fan means supporting the favourite player through thick and thin.

I don't know anything about "voodoo dolls/pins."

 

[veroniquem]

IT was during AO this year that in one of his interviews he said Toni will always be there ( can someone find the vid on YT?)

This is bad news for him and his fans. It means he will do even worse on tour. Toni left because his intimidation games with his player would not work anymore. They needed something more and he could not provide it. But the damage is emotional. If Nadal loses at RG it will be an slippery slope from there.

It's funny because I have the exact opposite feeling. It's gonna be a liberation for Rafa and who knows? It could help him feel more relaxed on the court. I've always thought he was a bit scared of Toni and that added unnecessary stress on the court.

 

[veroniquem]

Right, so if Nadal had won Tio would still be calling it quits? I don't think so

I agree that the timing for that decision is unfortunate. It does feel like the loss to Fed was a bit of a "last drop". Shocking that Toni would react that way though, given how loyal Rafa has always been to him !

 

[TheMusicLover]

Once again: good, GOOD riddance to perhaps the most annoying 'trainer'and/or family member EVER to be allowed staying along in a player's box, for over a decade, to the annoyance of tennis fans all over the globe.

"We" this, "we" that. Oh wait, I thought it was RAFA out there on court actually having to get the job done, not "We"...

Rafa - welcome to the world of genuine grown-ups, where folks are allowed to make decisions purely by themselves.

 

[octobrina10]

I agree that the timing for that decision is unfortunate. It does feel like the loss to Fed was a bit of a "last drop". Shocking that Toni would react that way though, given how loyal Rafa has always been to him !

Made-up story makers' creativity never ceases to amaze me.

 

[octobrina10]

Once again: good, GOOD riddance to perhaps the most annoying 'trainer'and/or family member EVER to be allowed staying along in a player's box, for over a decade, to the annoyance of tennis fans all over the globe...

Yeah, Fedlovers have always wanted to get rid of Uncle Toni because of his successful nephew. But they seem not to realize that Moya can continue to make life hard for them.

 

[cc0509]

Once again: good, GOOD riddance to perhaps the most annoying 'trainer'and/or family member EVER to be allowed staying along in a player's box, for over a decade, to the annoyance of tennis fans all over the globe.

"We" this, "we" that. Oh wait, I thought it was RAFA out there on court actually having to get the job done, not "We"...

Rafa - welcome to the world of genuine grown-ups, where folks are allowed to make decisions purely by themselves.

Ha ha. Hilarious. Toni sounds like an ego maniac.

 

[guanzishou]

Is Toni afraid of Roger? Rafa can't blame Toni now that he loses to Roger?

 

[hipolymer]

He should have left in late 2014. THe ship was sunk long before 2017.