Nadal will want Djokovic in final

Beckerserve

Legend
Nah man!!!! Come on! :-D :-D :-D
Nadal will take Rublev over those other 2 guys all day, every day...
Of course normally he would. But the pressure of going for no.20 against a guy everyone says u will beat would be high. If he lost it would be a choke. At least a loss to djokovic there would be no regrets. Hope i am making sense. I totally get what u are saying but this is unique circumstances.
 

JackGates

Legend
Best thing for Nadal is Djokovic in the final. Nadal will be less focussed on 20 as he will want to beat a career rival and perhaps shut him up a bit for saying he is beatable. Nadal is always better if a match is a grudge match. He never loses them.
If Nadal gets a Rublev or tsitsipas in the final everyone will have him down as a lock to win and that pressure when going for 20 will likely cause him to get too nervous.
Rome 2019 will be a useful last meeting on clay to have in the bank.
You were refuted, Nadal himself said that he doesn't want Djokovic. He said he likes a challenge, but he isn't stupid. So, will you admit you were wrong?
 

Beckerserve

Legend
You were refuted, Nadal himself said that he doesn't want Djokovic. He said he likes a challenge, but he isn't stupid. So, will you admit you were wrong?
No because in this instant i am right. Best thing for Nadal is Djokovic in the final. If he plays Rublev or Tsitsipas i think he will choke. Against Djokovic he wont as he knows how hard Djokovic is.
 

vex

Legend
Best thing for Nadal is Djokovic in the final. Nadal will be less focussed on 20 as he will want to beat a career rival and perhaps shut him up a bit for saying he is beatable. Nadal is always better if a match is a grudge match. He never loses them.
If Nadal gets a Rublev or tsitsipas in the final everyone will have him down as a lock to win and that pressure when going for 20 will likely cause him to get too nervous.
Rome 2019 will be a useful last meeting on clay to have in the bank.
I’m going to go with the opposite of all this lol

Simply because Rafa isn’t a moron. There’s literally ONE guy who can consistently troubles Rafa. Why would he want to play that guy in a final?

And when has Rafa ever truly caved to pressure?
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I’m going to go with the opposite of all this lol

Simply because Rafa isn’t a moron. There’s literally ONE guy who can consistently troubles Rafa. Why would he want to play that guy in a final?
When has he troubled him at Roland Garros in the last 16 years when Nadal has been in form?
 

vex

Legend
When has he troubled him at Roland Garros in the last 16 years when Nadal has been in form?
He’s troubled him a hell of a lot more than any other player you could name. Not even close. You’re the one saying he wants him in the final when he Rafa has said the opposite
 

Beckerserve

Legend
He’s troubled him a hell of a lot more than any other player you could name. Not even close. You’re the one saying he wants him in the final when he Rafa has said the opposite
Im saying this year!! When no.20 is on the line. And actually recently Tsitsipas has troubled Nadal the most on clay. Last year in Rome it was close. Week before Tsitsipas beat him in Madrid.
 

JackGates

Legend
No because in this instant i am right. Best thing for Nadal is Djokovic in the final. If he plays Rublev or Tsitsipas i think he will choke. Against Djokovic he wont as he knows how hard Djokovic is.
That doesn't make any sense, historically champions never choke vs lower guys, when did it happen? When did big3 choke to low level guys in finals, like never, especially Nadal.

Vs Djokovic Nadal chokes a lot more, of course he does, since Djokovic is better. Plus Nadal himself disagrees with you.
No be a man and admit you were wrong, worse thing than being wrong is pretending you were right, that is so weak.

And have you ever competed at something, in any of my competitions I never felt like I have an edge vs a better player, what the hell man?
 

Beckerserve

Legend
That doesn't make any sense, historically champions never choke vs lower guys, when did it happen? When did big3 choke to low level guys in finals, like never, especially Nadal.

Vs Djokovic Nadal chokes a lot more, of course he does, since Djokovic is better. Plus Nadal himself disagrees with you.
No be a man and admit you were wrong, worse thing than being wrong is pretending you were right, that is so weak.

And have you ever competed at something, in any of my competitions I never felt like I have an edge vs a better player, what the hell man?
Yes i do compete at a good level at tennis and i have a much better record against some higher level players than i do against a much lower league player. Match ups matter.
Nadal choked v Medvedev last year at USO. Should have won in straights and almost blew it. Nadal only chokes in australia v Djokovic. Outside there the h2h is very one sided for Nadal.
 

JackGates

Legend
Yes i do compete at a good level at tennis and i have a much better record against some higher level players than i do against a much lower league player. Match ups matter.
Nadal choked v Medvedev last year at USO. Should have won in straights and almost blew it. Nadal only chokes in australia v Djokovic. Outside there the h2h is very one sided for Nadal.
Good point that matchups matters, but not to such an extend that Nadal would prefer Medvedev over Djokovic, that is crazy, because skill gap here is higher than a bad matchup. If you say Nadal prefers Fed over Djokovic, ok fine, I give you that, but Djokovic is the only one pushing him to five and beating him at RG and has beaten him a lot on clay plus has beaten him the most times in GS.

Nadal didn't choke vs Djokovic at AO, he was outplayed, most points were won by winners, Nadal didn't make much errors.

Nobody on earth would love to play Djokovic lol, let alone Nadal. If you were a pro, would you rather play Djokovic or Medvedev, come on!
 

Bumbaliceps

Professional
Guys, @Beckerserve is not a real poster, he is not sharing his opinions. He just says what is gonna a irk people, tries to pass himself for a "neutral rational nadal fan" and he succeeds. Stop giving him attention, almost everything he writes is pure ********, you are talking to wind.
 

JackGates

Legend
Guys, @Beckerserve is not a real poster, he is not sharing his opinions. He just says what is gonna a irk people, tries to pass himself for a "neutral rational nadal fan" and he succeeds. Stop giving him attention, almost everything he writes is pure ********, you are talking to wind.
No, I don't buy this, he is just not as smart. I lot of people are using trolling as an excuse for their ignorance, they are saying, hey I was just kidding or trolling.

No, because if you need to troll in the first place, you aren't that smart. LIke Trump who says, "I was sarcastic" when proven wrong. No, those excuses won't work on me, I can see BS.
It's fake it till you make it, if you pretend you are crazy for long enough, you eventually become crazy.
 
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Navdeep Srivastava

Guest
Good point that matchups matters, but not to such an extend that Nadal would prefer Medvedev over Djokovic, that is crazy, because skill gap here is higher than a bad matchup. If you say Nadal prefers Fed over Djokovic, ok fine, I give you that, but Djokovic is the only one pushing him to five and beating him at RG and has beaten him a lot on clay plus has beaten him the most times in GS.

Nadal didn't choke vs Djokovic at AO, he was outplayed, most points were won by winners, Nadal didn't make much errors.

Nobody on earth would love to play Djokovic lol, let alone Nadal. If you were a pro, would you rather play Djokovic or Medvedev, come on!
I also dont understand his reasoning, going to agree with you, Rafa has mental edge over Novak at RG but he will surely prefer Tsists or Rublev over Novak
 

JackGates

Legend
I also dont understand his reasoning, going to agree with you, Rafa has mental edge over Novak at RG but he will surely prefer Tsists or Rublev over Novak
And we don't even have to speculate, Rafa himself said it he wouldn't prefer Novak. Rafa said the same about Fed, of course nobody would prefer to have two goats in the final, it's obvious.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Guys, @Beckerserve is not a real poster, he is not sharing his opinions. He just says what is gonna a irk people, tries to pass himself for a "neutral rational nadal fan" and he succeeds. Stop giving him attention, almost everything he writes is pure ********, you are talking to wind.
How can anyone be irked exactly? This is not politics !!! Even the most sensitive person surely cannot get irked talking tennis the most genteel of sports.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Good point that matchups matters, but not to such an extend that Nadal would prefer Medvedev over Djokovic, that is crazy, because skill gap here is higher than a bad matchup. If you say Nadal prefers Fed over Djokovic, ok fine, I give you that, but Djokovic is the only one pushing him to five and beating him at RG and has beaten him a lot on clay plus has beaten him the most times in GS.

Nadal didn't choke vs Djokovic at AO, he was outplayed, most points were won by winners, Nadal didn't make much errors.

Nobody on earth would love to play Djokovic lol, let alone Nadal. If you were a pro, would you rather play Djokovic or Medvedev, come on!
If i was going for a record personally id rather play a rival even if they were a better player. Of course we dont know how Nadal and Djokovic are off court. I definitely think that playing someone you dislike is easier as well in terms of helping with nerves. Becker said that many times.
 

JackGates

Legend
If i was going for a record personally id rather play a rival even if they were a better player. Of course we dont know how Nadal and Djokovic are off court. I definitely think that playing someone you dislike is easier as well in terms of helping with nerves. Becker said that many times.
Maybe you are more of a shotmaker, but Nadal is more of a strategic player like myself. We strategic players prefer to play someone with lesser skills, because we know if we adjust strategy we will always win, playing talented shotmakers is always a gamble.

You probably beat those better players with pure shotmaking, while your tactics are terrible if you lose to lesser players. It's usually strategy if you lose often to lesser players.

Even when I play tough matchups, I still know that I beat them if they are worse, because I focus a lot on strategy. Last thing I need is to have better players, it's a gamble, they may have Wawrinka type days. But I never lose to worse players no matter the matchup.

You are a lazy shotmaker, you guys win on talent, so over the years you don't develop strategy. I have seen it all the time, most people love to focus just on practicing the same shots, very few people focus on strategy.

That's why I'm sure Nadal prefers lower skill players, he for sure won't lose to them.
 

JackGates

Legend
2006 Peak Djokovic was in control of the match against beatable Nadal at RG. It’s bound to be true a couple times in 20 years right? Lol
Even Fed was always saying he is in control of the match vs Nadal. Of course champions like Fed and novak will never admit someone is better, that's why they are champions.
 

Eren

Professional
He should worry about Thiem first. Djokovic will be there in the final. If Thiem-Nadal ends in a slugfest with Nadal as a winner then I'd like to see how he handles Djokovic after a gruelling 5-setter.
 
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Eren

Professional
Even Fed was always saying he is in control of the match vs Nadal. Of course champions like Fed and novak will never admit someone is better, that's why they are champions.

If Federer honestly said that about his matches at RG against Nadal, then that's one more thing that came out of his mouth that no one should believe. 2006 first set, 2007 first two sets could be where he was in control or at least had the feeling of having control.
 

JackGates

Legend
If Federer honestly said that about his matches at RG against Nadal, then that's one more thing that came out of his mouth that no one should believe. 2006 first set, 2007 first two sets could be where he was in control or at least had the feeling of having control.
Oh, I'm not saying Fed was right, but at the time he trully believed that. And I heard him say that very late, I think in 2011 or even after 2011. And Fed was saying that about all surfaces about Nadal, not just clay, that the match is always on his racket.

Which proves my point that what players say is irreleveant, of course all of them think they can win in advance, otherwise they wouldn't play.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
I don’t think that Nadal wants Djokovic in the final. He hasn’t been training properly, he’s out of shape, he’s out of match practice, and the conditions arent to his liking. I don’t think he’s looking to give Nole a chance to chip away at the mental edge on Clay
 

JackGates

Legend
I don’t think that Nadal wants Djokovic in the final. He hasn’t been training properly, he’s out of shape, he’s out of match practice, and the conditions arent to his liking. I don’t think he’s looking to give Nole a chance to chip away at the mental edge on Clay
Even better, I don't think anyone wants Djokovic in the final. Especially when Djokovic totally owned Nadal for the past years in h2h and he has beaten him at RG too. Of course Nadal doesn't want Djokovic.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Maybe you are more of a shotmaker, but Nadal is more of a strategic player like myself. We strategic players prefer to play someone with lesser skills, because we know if we adjust strategy we will always win, playing talented shotmakers is always a gamble.

You probably beat those better players with pure shotmaking, while your tactics are terrible if you lose to lesser players. It's usually strategy if you lose often to lesser players.

Even when I play tough matchups, I still know that I beat them if they are worse, because I focus a lot on strategy. Last thing I need is to have better players, it's a gamble, they may have Wawrinka type days. But I never lose to worse players no matter the matchup.

You are a lazy shotmaker, you guys win on talent, so over the years you don't develop strategy. I have seen it all the time, most people love to focus just on practicing the same shots, very few people focus on strategy.

That's why I'm sure Nadal prefers lower skill players, he for sure won't lose to them.
Well im a limited player in the sense my BH is just a defensive shot that i hit double handed and try and get it deep. Sometimes slice it. My big shot is the FH that i hit hard and with a lot of top spin that i rely on to dictate rallies. Serve is not bad either when its going well and i have a good ROS that i can hit for winners outright even off 125 mph serves. Obviously at my level guys eho serve that hard lose accuracy so it is in the hit zone. A well placed 80 mph serve i find harder to deal with. I do not stand at the back fence to return serve as my ego will not let me give the satisfaction to my opponent that he has that big a serve.
I never think tactics. I just focus on my game and try the thiem tactics. Hit hard. If that fails hit even harder.
I mention all of the above as your hypotheses about me was so bang on it was brilliant. So perhaps i foister on Nadal how i would be thinking in his position.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Of course normally he would. But the pressure of going for no.20 against a guy everyone says u will beat would be high. If he lost it would be a choke. At least a loss to djokovic there would be no regrets. Hope i am making sense. I totally get what u are saying but this is unique circumstances.
Of course anything is possible. Plus I would imagine whoever makes the final on the opposite side did so by having played great tennis and being mentally strong. The odds favour Nadal obviously. Only Djokovic on the other side of the draw really has a shot against Nadal should they meet in the final.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Of course anything is possible. Plus I would imagine whoever makes the final on the opposite side did so by having played great tennis and being mentally strong. The odds favour Nadal obviously. Only Djokovic on the other side of the draw really has a shot against Nadal should they meet in the final.
You dont think Tsitsipas or Rublev if they beat Djokovic would be a threat?
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
You dont think Tsitsipas or Rublev if they beat Djokovic would be a threat?
First time Slam finalists? I don't know. I haven't seen exceptional mental strength from either. But then again what do I know? Wawrinka and Del Potro and Cilic all won their first Slam finals. So anything is possible.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Even better, I don't think anyone wants Djokovic in the final. Especially when Djokovic totally owned Nadal for the past years in h2h and he has beaten him at RG too. Of course Nadal doesn't want Djokovic.

Normally RG is RG and it doesn’t matter. This is even more of an outlier year than 2015 for Nadal though with no matches
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
“You watch videos and you watch him on TV, and… it seems like he's not playing that fast, like he's playing heavy, with a lot of spin. But today it was like a rocket, every forehand. I was not able to even react. I don't know. Maybe I was not moving… I felt like he was a rocket every time he was hitting his forehand.” - Galan interview today about Novak’s FH.

No one with any sense would want any part of someone playing like that in the final - especially since he is unbeaten in completed matches all year except for the USO DQ.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
No because in this instant i am right. Best thing for Nadal is Djokovic in the final. If he plays Rublev or Tsitsipas i think he will choke. Against Djokovic he wont as he knows how hard Djokovic is.

Best for his chances or best for his legacy? Those are two different things.

If you're saying it's better for Nadal's chances, then I have to vehemently disagree with that.

If you're saying Nadal wanting Djokovic in the final because it would be better for his legacy if he were able to finally beat Djokovic in a major for the first time in several years, then yeah sure. Of course, he will have to find a way to win, which is going to be a real tall order for him because he hasn't had much success over Djokovic in the last several years.
 

6august

Hall of Fame
If i remember exactly, Djo said Dal is beatable after Barcelona 09. It sounded funny at that time but couple of years later Djo proved he could do it. After all, it's the mindset a player should have when he meets Big 3. Most of them lose before walking into the court.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Best for his chances or best for his legacy? Those are two different things.

If you're saying it's better for Nadal's chances, then I have to vehemently disagree with that.

If you're saying Nadal wanting Djokovic in the final because it would be better for his legacy if he were able to finally beat Djokovic in a major for the first time in several years, then yeah sure. Of course, he will have to find a way to win, which is going to be a real tall order for him because he hasn't had much success over Djokovic in the last several years.
Last meeting on clay Nadal destroyed djokovic
 

Bumbaliceps

Professional
How can anyone be irked exactly? This is not politics !!! Even the most sensitive person surely cannot get irked talking tennis the most genteel of sports.
You know this is the kind of post that only makes my claim more believable. And ''Better for Nadal to face Rublev than Djokovic because of pressure blablabla", maybe it is an acceptable take, even though I would not agree with it. But insisting that Nadal wanted Thiem and Djokovic rather than anyone else is just too much, you make statements that just make it impossible to believe in your seriousness.
 
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Deleted member 369227

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I don’t know what Rafa wants, but what I want to see is Nadal vs Djokovic in the final.
 
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