Omega_7000
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Yeah because THAT is how Ralph was getting motivated for Roland Garros all these years.........By losing in clay MS1000 events :roll:
Novak did a big mistake by winning Rome
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Yeah because THAT is how Ralph was getting motivated for Roland Garros all these years.........By losing in clay MS1000 events :roll:
Tenez101
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OP did a big mistake...
cknobman
Legend
Lets analyze this clay season and re-think if Nadal will actually be "encouraged".
- Gets beaten ON CLAY by puppets he previously owned.
- Routinely gets taken to 3 sets ON CLAY
- Only wins one title ON CLAY and only because his opponent gets injured while in the process of handing Nadal a nasty beat down ON CLAY
- Publicly admits he is having confidence problems and tells everybody not to expect him to keep winning all the time
Yeah things are looking great for Nadal
OH and lets not forget: No signs of any injury this clay season so that excuse is not there to fall back on.
Omega_7000
Legend
Noone wins forever and Nadal's time will come too, whether it's this year or the next. With all due respect to the KOC, if he's fated to lose his clay throne in this RG, he WILL. Nothing you/I can do about it. Lest I remind you that Nadal had a lucky escape in both RG 11 and RG 13(the net trip) so perhaps he's reached the end of the rope. We'll just have to wait n see.
True. He needs to send a thank you to Fed for RG'11
RG'13 was incredibly unlucky for Novak.
How long will his luck last? Nobody knows...
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Lets analyze this clay season and re-think if Nadal will actually be "encouraged".
- Gets beaten ON CLAY by puppets he previously owned.
- Routinely gets taken to 3 sets ON CLAY
- Only wins one title ON CLAY and only because his opponent gets injured while in the process of handing Nadal a nasty beat down ON CLAY
- Publicly admits he is having confidence problems and tells everybody not to expect him to keep winning all the time
Yeah things are looking great for Nadal
OH and lets not forget: No signs of any injury this clay season so that excuse is not there to fall back on.
Not yet anyway. Remember, the only time Nadal was injured playing on clay was when he lost to Soderling at RG. Never mind the fact that he had destroyed his 3 previous opponents at RG.
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NadalDramaQueen
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Yep.............djoker did da big mistake...............................................angered da rafa.............................mess with da bull......get da horns..........................................................................
To be serious, I'm sure Djokovic was happy to win rather than take the loss. I thought his celebration was muted because of the flooding in Serbia.
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Nathaniel_Near
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serengetisunset
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It is never a mistake to win a match but I think Djokovic knows that there is still work to do, and it will take a lot to get it done. He certainly has the game to beat Nadal(fired up or not), and it is a mental battle as much as it is a physical battle.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Yep.............djoker did da big mistake...............................................angered da rafa.............................mess with da bull......get da horns..........................................................................
To be serious, I'm sure Djokovic was happy to win rather than take the loss. I thought his celebration was muted because of the flooding in Serbia.
I laughed way too hard at the bold :lol:
laughingcavalier
Rookie
''So unbeatable that he's lost 6 slam finals...''
... LOL!!... Yeah exactly,and let's not forget that Novak was 1 win away from completing the 'Noledal Slam'... ie,winning 4 consecutive grand slams... and all against Nadal in succession.
.. If it wasn't for Rafito carrying on and jumping up and down to the umpire about evil Novak excelling in wet conditions and negating his forehand spin the match might've gone on ahead instead of having it halted with Novak leading 2-0 in the 4th and on a run of 8 consecutive games.I had a good gut feeling Novak was going to get him had that match not been stopped.Damn shame!
... LOL!!... Yeah exactly,and let's not forget that Novak was 1 win away from completing the 'Noledal Slam'... ie,winning 4 consecutive grand slams... and all against Nadal in succession.
.. If it wasn't for Rafito carrying on and jumping up and down to the umpire about evil Novak excelling in wet conditions and negating his forehand spin the match might've gone on ahead instead of having it halted with Novak leading 2-0 in the 4th and on a run of 8 consecutive games.I had a good gut feeling Novak was going to get him had that match not been stopped.Damn shame!
JustBob
Hall of Fame
Uncle Toni: "I have a new plan for the clay season."
Rafa: "Why new plan? Beat everybody, win everything, work good so far, no?"
Uncle Toni: "Yes, but we need to change tactics to build up your fire. You need to start losing!"
Rafa: "Que? I don't build confidence by losing, no?"
Uncle Toni: "By losing you get angry, and you get FIRE back!"
Rafa: "But fire is there, always! Winning keeps fire burning, no?"
Uncle Toni: "You have to listen to me!"
Rafa: "Ok, maybe I lose to Djokovic once."
Uncle Toni: "No. You also have to lose to Ferrer, Almagro and get dominated by Nishikori."
Rafa: "Que? But I lose my confidence, no?"
Uncle Toni: "Yes, but you will have FIRE for RG and you will be unstoppable!"
Rafa: "Hmmm... ok,, VAMOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!"
Rafa: "Why new plan? Beat everybody, win everything, work good so far, no?"
Uncle Toni: "Yes, but we need to change tactics to build up your fire. You need to start losing!"
Rafa: "Que? I don't build confidence by losing, no?"
Uncle Toni: "By losing you get angry, and you get FIRE back!"
Rafa: "But fire is there, always! Winning keeps fire burning, no?"
Uncle Toni: "You have to listen to me!"
Rafa: "Ok, maybe I lose to Djokovic once."
Uncle Toni: "No. You also have to lose to Ferrer, Almagro and get dominated by Nishikori."
Rafa: "Que? But I lose my confidence, no?"
Uncle Toni: "Yes, but you will have FIRE for RG and you will be unstoppable!"
Rafa: "Hmmm... ok,, VAMOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!"
mellowyellow
Legend
Actually the line of reasoning is correct, but the OP has missed one very important detail. SoG allowed Rafa to think he was competitive and for Knee Dull to believe had the draw not been so difficult he could have won, so no need to get fired up..... he lulled Nads into a false sense of security by winning really.
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GTturbo16v
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You dear Sir/Mrs./Miss are clearly an idiot. Celebration when half of your country is flooded?!?!? Celebration when dead bodies float in the rivers?!?
Do you sometimes, just sometimes use your computer for getting the news? You know, like what's going on in the world, etc, etc,.. instead of trolling your imaginary enemies, battle for your sport-idol?!?! I know I gonna get a ban for this, but it doesn't matter.. And let me remind you one more time, so you don't forget that:
You are an idiot!
Djokodal Fan
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TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Excellent comedy-trolling...
until I realized that OP most likely meant this as being serious, judging on his post history. Total delusional guy who apparently believes Rafa is a Marvell-comics character in stead of a mere human being, which is kinda sad.
until I realized that OP most likely meant this as being serious, judging on his post history. Total delusional guy who apparently believes Rafa is a Marvell-comics character in stead of a mere human being, which is kinda sad.
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chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Rather than talking about Nadal's fire, I think we have to acknowledge the increased anxiety/apprehensiveness he gets when he has to face Djokovic now, like Federer does when facing Nadal. Confidence is important and after Rome, Djokovic's confidence has gone up while Nadal's has gone down. I think Nadal will be extremely nervous at RG. I rate him as the top favorite, but unlike previous years, there are players who are genuinely capable of beating him at RG. FO 2014 will be unpredictable.
monfed
Banned
As long as Ralph avoids Berdych he'll do well against the rest of the field.
What a dork...
What a dork... Ya, Nole running Rafa like a dog corner to corner was a foolish thing to do.
And, you can lull people-including your main rival-to sleep by losing to him 4 straight times within a relatively short time(we all saw how that went a few years ago) and also losing to a veritable plethora of players who were formerly pigeons. Well, consider me lulled, lol...
When BP takes it where he's always scratching, there will be people jumping out of windows around here...
Lets analyze this clay season and re-think if Nadal will actually be "encouraged".
- Gets beaten ON CLAY by puppets he previously owned.
- Routinely gets taken to 3 sets ON CLAY
- Only wins one title ON CLAY and only because his opponent gets injured while in the process of handing Nadal a nasty beat down ON CLAY
- Publicly admits he is having confidence problems and tells everybody not to expect him to keep winning all the time
Yeah things are looking great for Nadal
OH and lets not forget: No signs of any injury this clay season so that excuse is not there to fall back on.
Ahhh, but as the hapless poster you responded to pointed out, BP was 3-3 in the final set! Too bad for him you need 6 games to win a set, and losing by a double service break in the final set isn't exactly competitive-but, poor Widdle Rafa was exhausted by the 5 round, best of 3 tournament. Of course, that, along with his less than scintillating form thus far this year, begs the question as to why he should be expected to do well in a 7 round tournament on the same surface that is best of 5.
edberg volleys
Hall of Fame
Yeah, it's espesically Nole whom Rafa wants to play in the final of his pet Slam :-|
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DRII
G.O.A.T.
my gosh, you completely missed the point!
i'm not that surprised
Almagro, Andujar, or even Ferrer are not Nadal's main rivals! and thus would not stoke the fire in the pit of his stomach the way only Nole really can for Nadal...
BMcFarlan
New User
my gosh, you completely missed the point!
i'm not that surprised
Almagro, Andujar, or even Ferrer are not Nadal's main rivals! and thus would not stoke the fire in the pit of his stomach the way only Nole really can for Nadal...
Rafa is one of the most mentally-tough players in history, and - despite being a big fan - it's not a question Novak is in his head. There is no reason Rafa shouldn't have finish Rome in 2. Djokovic was slamming rackets on his chair and could not find an answer. Rafa responded to his opponent's collapse by giving him a free break a minute later. He doesn't do that against anyone.
Not taking anything away from Novak - his clinic in the 3rd was incredible, especially considering the fact that these guys had been playing for how many days straight? He earned it, Rafa never quit. But it was not the usual hard-charged Nadal you see against other guys. Nole owns the x-factor between those two.
monfed
Banned
my gosh, you completely missed the point!
i'm not that surprised
Almagro, Andujar, or even Ferrer are not Nadal's main rivals! and thus would not stoke the fire in the pit of his stomach the way only Nole really can for Nadal...
What if the fire's already gone?
DRII
G.O.A.T.
i largely agree, but would say that Nadal clay court form was quite low before Rome, specifically his match against Murray (rewatching the Madrid final was near cringe worthy regarding Nadal's ground strokes).
Nadal finally played into some form in the final against Nole, although his serve was still lacking and he seemed a little tired by the 3rd set, but at least hs ground strokes were largely flowing like normal. Nole just happened to peak at the right times and long enough to beat Nadal in 3 sets….
and i also agree that Nadal has definitely lost some fire since last years USO, but i think the defeat against Nole Sunday will rev him up some...
DRII
G.O.A.T.
he still has some that can be rekindled. of course he has the target of 17 (+1) when it comes to slams. and i think he will do near whatever it takes to finally win the YEC at some point!
i just hope the back issue doesn't acutely come up again...
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
So now if we lose to Rafa, we increase his confidence, if we win, we re-kindle his fire, both ways this Rafa guy wins in the end !!!!
Start da Game
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wow how many angry and butthurt responses......your angry responses can only mean one thing, that you perhaps inherently agree that maybe i have a point here......
i never said that nadal did not try to win.......i just said that nole shouldn't have forced himself so much for the victory.......this was not the time to throw the kitchen sink at rafa......
i am good at understanding tennis players' psyches......djokovic needs roland garros right? right......but willingness to win and actually knowing how to win are different things.......
this is a very special case we are discussing here.......it is nole's last big chance at roland garros and the opponent is the ever great clay god of tennis nadal.......you have to get through him if you are to ever get your hands on that eluding trophy of paris......
so nole should have softened up nadal by losing in straight sets and making nadal uncomfortable and puzzled.......putting him in a doubt whether nole is in top form or not, because nadal himself is not in great form......
now that nole has given his best at rome and there is a possibility that nadal hasn't stretched his left knee all that much PLUS the overcast slow conditions, there is enough doubt and panic in djokovic's camp about nadal's form for roland garros......
if i were djokovic, i would never believe nadal's press conferences......i would never hit his ego just before roland garros.......i would play his servant in the lead-ups and backstab him right at the grand end which is roland garros......because i know that if i mess with him earlier in the race, he will catch me just in time before roland garros......
so i feel that there is a chance of some panic setting in in djokovic's camp......nadal will now show up prepared, hungry and angry for the grand final......
i never said that nadal did not try to win.......i just said that nole shouldn't have forced himself so much for the victory.......this was not the time to throw the kitchen sink at rafa......
i am good at understanding tennis players' psyches......djokovic needs roland garros right? right......but willingness to win and actually knowing how to win are different things.......
this is a very special case we are discussing here.......it is nole's last big chance at roland garros and the opponent is the ever great clay god of tennis nadal.......you have to get through him if you are to ever get your hands on that eluding trophy of paris......
so nole should have softened up nadal by losing in straight sets and making nadal uncomfortable and puzzled.......putting him in a doubt whether nole is in top form or not, because nadal himself is not in great form......
now that nole has given his best at rome and there is a possibility that nadal hasn't stretched his left knee all that much PLUS the overcast slow conditions, there is enough doubt and panic in djokovic's camp about nadal's form for roland garros......
if i were djokovic, i would never believe nadal's press conferences......i would never hit his ego just before roland garros.......i would play his servant in the lead-ups and backstab him right at the grand end which is roland garros......because i know that if i mess with him earlier in the race, he will catch me just in time before roland garros......
so i feel that there is a chance of some panic setting in in djokovic's camp......nadal will now show up prepared, hungry and angry for the grand final......
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Deleted member 21996
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So now if we lose to Rafa, we increase his confidence, if we win, we re-kindle his fire, both ways this Rafa guy wins in the end !!!!
b ut wasnt that the case already? i thought we long established that Nadal was 100% victorious when he wins!!!
rocketassist
Rookie
Why would Nadal's motivation be any different if he'd won Rome than if he lost it?
Roland Garros is Roland Garros.
Although the last time Djokovic beat Nadal in Rome, it was arguably Federer taking Nole out of the SF that won Nadal that RG more than anything.
Roland Garros is Roland Garros.
Although the last time Djokovic beat Nadal in Rome, it was arguably Federer taking Nole out of the SF that won Nadal that RG more than anything.
Fiji
Legend
panic setting? Have you seen Nadals serve stats this year? They are his worst ever.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Just to be accurate, those are the stats for clay in 2014. That's where the difference lies. The return stats are as good as usual.
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
I'm not sure how Nole will recover from his utterly and irrefutably ******** mistake. He made a terrible terrible error.
SpicyCurry1990
Hall of Fame
They have combined to win 46 masters titles and no one even cares about them for all time rankings. They both know its all about the slams now.
If that's the case, chang's superior quality of wins and higher title count are not good enough compared to roddick.
Nalbandian had many quality wins over fed and nadal, but doesn't have the us open because he got injured in 2003.
Even Fernando Gonzalez olympic singles silver and doubles efforts and wtf win over fed were superb compared to peak Roddick's lucky match point saves at Montreal, cincinnati, Miami and against injured nalbandian at us open.
Massu was an honorable mention with singles and doubles wins.
Start da Game
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all he can do now is hope for an easy draw and then if he finds himself in the final, he can hope that his opponent is not nadal......he could not have chosen a wronger time than this to anger the clay god......
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Nathaniel_Near
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Agreed.
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that's very sad to hear, my condolences to serbia......i rarely ever go through any news of NATO countries, europe and north america......i am more concerned about the sub continent, russia, latin america, middle east and asia......
thousands in the middle east are dying at the hands of america and the world media is silent over it......how many times have you raised your voice against america?
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Nathaniel_Near
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I didn't really get the thread at first but some people end up teaching you new ways of looking at things.
Looking forward to Nadal's victory at RG now it might be monotonous but his greatness can't be denied and absolutely nobody is capable of stopping him from winning it yet again.
Looking forward to Nadal's victory at RG now it might be monotonous but his greatness can't be denied and absolutely nobody is capable of stopping him from winning it yet again.
TTMR
Hall of Fame
Parera could never serve (except USO 2010). It's just his opponents are finally figuring that out.
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Nathaniel_Near
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It's like some sort of optical illusion.
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