Novak Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 players since 2016...

[weakera]

Wow...


What does this tell us?

 

[pj80]

it tells us that it's stronger era than 2003-2006?

 

[Visionary]

The clay court footwork is the main suspect there

 

[weakera]

it tells us that it's stronger era than 2003-2006?

It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

LOL including Novak 2017 when VB cries daily about Nadal 2015

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Srdjan, I don't feel so good...

 

[weakera]

Clearly including Novak 2017 when VB cries daily about Nadal 2015

Yeah because if we exclude 2017 he is a sterling 5-5

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Djokodal played 4 times on clay in that period compared to 2 times on HC

 

[weakera]

Djokodal played 4 times on clay in that period compared to 2 times on HC

And how many times did they play 2015-2016 compared to 2017-2018?

 

[Red Rick]

0/4 vs Nadal

6/3 vs everyone else.

Declinated but not too bad. Has the RG in the bag, needs to not lose his game/confidence while playing clay, that's about it.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

And how many times did they play 2015-2016 compared to 2017-2018?

Your post says 2016 onwards, stick to your OP

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Also Nadal on HC is clearly greater than Djokovic on Clay since 2016. Nadal won 2 USO's. Novak still has 1 RG

Although Novak is better on 2 surfaces than Nadal

 

[daphne]

Wow...


What does this tell us?

What does WOW tell us?

 

[weakera]

Your post says 2016 onwards, stick to your OP

You're the one cherry picking my lad, not me

Just imagine the h2h if they played as often during Djokovic's downturn as they did Nadal's... wow... unfortunately Djokovic was not good enough to advance to the latter stages of tourneys to meet Nadal and crashed out of the top-20...

 

[daphne]

It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay

If you know the answer why would you start a thread for? WOW!

 

[weakera]

If you know the answer why would you start a thread for? WOW!

Took me some time to think about it and arrive at one conclusion. But of course there's more that it can tell us and I invite you to explore the possibilities.

Of course it's not just the top-10 that Novak has struggled against on clay in that time, also losing to Klizan, Edmund, Cecchinato, Evans...

 

[daphne]

Took me some time to think about it and arrive at one conclusion. But of course there's more that it can tell us and I invite you to explore the possibilities.

Of course it's not just the top-10 that Novak has struggled against on clay in that time, also losing to Klizan, Edmund, Cecchinato, Evans...

If that is what it is delete the thread ban the member.

 

[weakera]

If that is what it is delete the thread ban the member.

You don't think it's significant that Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 over 4 years? He has like the second to highest clay win % of all-time (although not for much longer at this rate) so this fall is staggering and monumental.

 

[daphne]

You don't think it's significant that Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 over 4 years? He has like the second to highest clay win % of all-time (although not for much longer at this rate) so this fall is staggering and monumental.

I think you need to think longer before you post rubbish.

 

[weakera]

Nadal in that same time: 19-4 vs. top-10 on clay (3 L vs. Thiem )

 

[irishnadalfan1983]

Lets be fair - won Rome last year and made it to the final of RG......Right now very much second favourite for RG....

 

[daphne]

Lets be fair - won Rome last year and made it to the final of RG......Right now very much second favourite for RG....

Yeah, but the OP scratches his head about the GOAT's loss to Evans! A Nadl fan that is so worried about Djok's %%%% Imagine his personal struggle!

 

[weakera]

Yeah, but the OP scratches his head about the GOAT's loss to Evans! A Nadl fan that is so worried about Djok's %%%% Imagine his personal struggle!

Why do you find these statistics so distressing?

 

[Hitman]

6-7 and still holds two masters titles, Madrid and Rome.

Not too bad, not too bad.

 

[Tarkovsky]

Novak Djokovic is 13-8 on clay vs. top-10 players since May 2016

Matches (13-8) > Time Span: 02-May-2016 to 10-Apr-2021 [custom]; Surface: Clay; vs Rank: Top 10

 

[NatF]

Decent score on his worst surface.

 

[weakera]

Novak Djokovic is 13-8 on clay vs. top-10 players since May 2016

Matches (13-8) > Time Span: 02-May-2016 to 10-Apr-2021 [custom]; Surface: Clay; vs Rank: Top 10

Wrong.

28-09-2020	Roland Garros	Clay	F	L	Rafael Nadal (1) Rank 2 Elo 2394 (+18) d. Novak Djokovic (2) Rank 1 Elo 2442 (-18)	6-0 6-2 7-5	Stats	H2H
28-09-2020	Roland Garros	Clay	SF	W	Novak Djokovic (1) Rank 1 Elo 2437 (+5) d. Stefanos Tsitsipas (5) Rank 6 Elo 2181 (-5)	6-3 6-2 5-7 4-6 6-1	Stats	H2H
27-05-2019	Roland Garros	Clay	SF	L	Dominic Thiem (4) Rank 4 Elo 2195 (+22) d. Novak Djokovic (1) Rank 1 Elo 2401 (-22)	6-2 3-6 7-5 5-7 7-5	Stats	H2H
27-05-2019	Roland Garros	Clay	QF	W	Novak Djokovic (1) Rank 1 Elo 2395 (+6) d. Alexander Zverev (5) Rank 5 Elo 2146 (-5)	7-5 6-2 6-2	Stats	H2H
13-05-2019	Rome Masters	Clay	F	L	Rafael Nadal (2) Rank 2 Elo 2365 (+14) d. Novak Djokovic (1) Rank 1 Elo 2403 (-13)	6-0 4-6 6-1	Stats	H2H
13-05-2019	Rome Masters	Clay	QF	W	Novak Djokovic (1) Rank 1 Elo 2395 (+6) d. Juan Martin Del Potro (7) Rank 9 Elo 2238 (-6)	4-6 7-6(6) 6-4	Stats	H2H
06-05-2019	Madrid Masters	Clay	F	W	Novak Djokovic (1) Rank 1 Elo 2387 (+4) d. Stefanos Tsitsipas (8) Rank 9 Elo 2138 (-5)	6-3 6-4	Stats	H2H
06-05-2019	Madrid Masters	Clay	SF	W	Novak Djokovic (1) Rank 1 Elo 2381 (+6) d. Dominic Thiem (5) Rank 5 Elo 2184 (-5)	7-6(2) 7-6(4)	Stats	H2H
14-05-2018	Rome Masters	Clay	SF	L	Rafael Nadal (1) Rank 2 Elo 2368 (+10) d. Novak Djokovic (11) Rank 18 Elo 2331 (-9)	7-6(4) 6-3	Stats	H2H
16-04-2018	Monte Carlo Masters	Clay	R16	L	Dominic Thiem (5) Rank 7 Elo 2097 (+17) d. Novak Djokovic (9) Rank 13 Elo 2364 (-16)	6-7(2) 6-2 6-3	Stats	H2H
29-05-2017	Roland Garros	Clay	QF	L	Dominic Thiem (6) Rank 7 Elo 2187 (+23) d. Novak Djokovic (2) Rank 2 Elo 2457 (-23)	7-6(5) 6-3 6-0	Stats	H2H
15-05-2017	Rome Masters	Clay	SF	W	Novak Djokovic (2) Rank 2 Elo 2470 (+3) d. Dominic Thiem (8) Rank 7 Elo 2169 (-3)	6-1 6-0	Stats	H2H
08-05-2017	Madrid Masters	Clay	SF	L	Rafael Nadal (4) Rank 5 Elo 2325 (+16) d. Novak Djokovic (2) Rank 2 Elo 2478 (-16)	6-2 6-4	Stats	H2H

 

[weakera]

Novak Djokovic is 13-8 on clay vs. top-10 players since May 2016

Matches (13-8) > Time Span: 02-May-2016 to 10-Apr-2021 [custom]; Surface: Clay; vs Rank: Top 10

Ah I see what you tried to do now including 2016

 

[Tarkovsky]

Ah I see what you tried to do now including 2016

2016 is in your title, but you don't want to pick that cherry

 

[Born_to_slice]

It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay

Care to list all those top 10 players Djokovic played on clay and Nadal played on HC?

 

[weakera]

2016 is in your title, but you don't want to pick that cherry

since
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2. 2.
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[NoleIsBoat]

You don't think it's significant that Djokovic is 6-7 on clay vs. top-10 over 4 years? He has like the second to highest clay win % of all-time (although not for much longer at this rate) so this fall is staggering and monumental.

Current rome champ and RG runner up

 

[weakera]

Current rome champ and RG runner up

How did that RG final go? Less games from Nadal than Schwartzman or Sinner

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Nadal is clearly better on hard than Djokovic is on Clay. But the 2 USO titles since 2016 for Nadal told us that anyway.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

since
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Learn to pronounce

preposition

1. in the intervening period between (the time mentioned) and the time under consideration, typically the present.
   "she hasn't spoken to him since last year"

conjunction

1. 1.
   from a time in the past until the time under consideration, typically the present.
   "I've felt better since I've been here"
   
   
2. 2.
   for the reason that; because.
   "delegates were delighted, since better protection of rhino reserves will help protect other rare species"

Self-ownage detected.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

How did that RG final go? Less games from Nadal than Schwartzman or Sinner

True but he still defeated Busta and Tsisipas pre final. 2 great wins.

 

[Nole_King]

It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay

Nadal on clay is strongest than anyone on their strongest surface
Nadal on grass is weakest than anyone on their weakest surface.

 

[junior74]

True but he still defeated Busta and Tsisipas pre final. 2 great wins.

Couldn't beat Busta at the US, though. Pablo simply too strong in this great era.

 

[Sport]

Your post says 2016 onwards, stick to your OP

You look scared to answer his question.

 

[RF-18]

The focus on Djoko from the ************* are off the charts. That AO win and #1 record must have threatened them. Don't worry though, Nadal will win his monte carlo title.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Wow...


What does this tell us?

Well, most of the losses happened in 2017-early18 iirc (goffin MC, Rafa Madrid, Zverev Rome, Thiem RG, Thiem MC) so I think the record isn't as poor as its made out to be.
His run to the title in Madrid 2019 was one of the best ones he's had there, especially the match against Thiem was a brilliant masterclass (except for the 6-5 game in set2 when he failed to serve it out)

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Djokodal played 4 times on clay in that period compared to 2 times on HC

Djokodal played 7 times from 2015-16 compared to just twice in 2017-early18, sir.
It certainly works both ways.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Nadal in that same time: 19-4 vs. top-10 on clay (3 L vs. Thiem )

Wait, which another top10 loss did nadal suffer??
Surely Schwartzman wasn't top10 in 2020 Rome when he took down the greatest warrior of tennis world.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Not too bad, not too bad

 

[weakera]

Wait, which another top10 loss did nadal suffer??
Surely Schwartzman wasn't top10 in 2020 Rome when he took down the greatest warrior of tennis world.

Tsitsipas

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Tsitsipas

Was Tsitsipas top10 in Madrid 2019 encounter??

 

[InsideOut900]

It tells us that Djokovic is weaker vs. the top-10 on clay than Nadal is vs. the top-10 on HC... interesting... so Nadal is clearly stronger on HC than Djokovic on clay

Nadal on slow HC: 3 Masters and 1 Slam in his whole career
Djokovic on clay: 3 Masters and 1 Slam on clay since 2016

What does it tell us?

 

[Backspin1183]

Couldn't beat Busta at the US, though. Pablo simply too strong in this great era.

Hard court is Pablo's best surface. Very hard to beat him when he's playing well.

 

[Backspin1183]

Nadal on slow HC: 3 Masters and 1 Slam in his whole career
Djokovic on clay: 3 Masters and 1 Slam on clay since 2016

What does it tell us?

That Nadal is better on fast hard courts than on slower ones.

 

[weakera]

Nadal on slow HC: 3 Masters and 1 Slam in his whole career
Djokovic on clay: 3 Masters and 1 Slam on clay since 2016

What does it tell us?

2-1 vs. Djokovic at USO