it touched a nerve last year when WADA showed up for an out of competition drug test on a cyclist that had just buried his son, they told him that failure to do so would constitute a positive test
it touched a nerve last year when WADA showed up for an out of competition drug test on a cyclist that had just buried his son, they told him that failure to do so would constitute a positive test
Hadn't heard that one - pathetic....they wanted a sentence increased after two Italian footballers were suspended for 15 days because they were five minutes late for a test (neither tested positive) because the club president had given the team a talking to after losing a match. Those players are now banned for a year thanks to them and the Court of Arbitration for Sports.
I agree. Like many groups (PETA is another example) - they took a good idea - testing for drugs to assure the public they are seeing clean events - and have gone overboard. They use labs with shoddy testing processes and once they suspect someone you are guilty until proven innocent. And proving a negative is very difficult if not impossible,.The WADA are idiots,...
I wonder why Nadal feels so insulted...
Have you ever had someone knock on your door when you were at home and demand a urine sample? Have you ever taken a drug test? Sometimes they stand beside you to make sure you aren't using a Whizzinator (fake 'device' to get a sample of clean urine into the cup).I wonder why Nadal feels so insulted...
The WADA are idiots, they wanted a sentence increased after two Italian footballers were suspended for 15 days because they were five minutes late for a test (neither tested positive) because the club president had given the team a talking to after losing a match. Those players are now banned for a year thanks to them and the Court of Arbitration for Sports.
Could someone explain if it is possible to reduce your levels to nominal after just 48 hours. "Hour every day" seems to be equivalent to imposing a mandatory maximum of almost 48 hours between successive tests.
I think that is ridiculous and insensitive....
I would refuse whatever the consequences if it were their child that had just passed awat and some idiot had showed up to test them they would be extremely distraught....
There HAS to be some common sense employed with this.....
When popular figures are suspended for not testing positive but for being 5 mins late or having a flat tire....they will get a HUGE backlash and they will be forced to change their stance.
Well said and reasoned. But some things are easily corrected - and WADA seems incapable of any flexibility - it's a tough job they have, no doubt - there are chemists out there as we type these posts looking for the 'next best thing' to cheat a test with.This will probably be litigated and remedied somewhere down the line....In short the few tend to ruin things for the many including those who abided by the old rules and/or had nothing to hide in the first place.
Have you ever had someone knock on your door when you were at home and demand a urine sample? Have you ever taken a drug test? Sometimes they stand beside you to make sure you aren't using a Whizzinator (fake 'device' to get a sample of clean urine into the cup).
I'm a pretty disciplined guy. But the problem is, when you give a group too much power, the 'roping them back in' becomes impossible. WADA knows they can ruin an athlete's life. Dick Pound, who is either the current or former head, has become a lunatic. Wired Magazine had a good profile a year or so back...When trying to solve a problem, it is better to go overboard and usually weed out most of the problem first and then fix the solution. As long as the solution works, it can be viewed as a "necessary evil".
This will probably be litigated and remedied somewhere down the line.
However, addressing this contingency, will most likely result in a nearly as bad intrusion on such a human tragedy. Requiring the production of death certificates and/or funeral bills, in a specified and narrow time frame.
Trust me.
Unfortunately these types of things are invariably the result of "the target" of the perceived wronged party's peers, known or unknown to him/her, having so abused the existing rules that the pendulum had to swing toward the more strict side of things.
And when the pendulum swings it generally stops in a zone, the unitiated perceive as incredibly unreasonable.
The reason is, people. People are lax. People don't read the brochure. The guilty will explore every avenue of escape that an agency like "WADA" has not found a reason to specifically address in the past.
I am in a line of work that requires random testing. Whether through laziness, failing to perceive the seriousness of non-compliance or guilt, I've seen guys "on the carpet" to "fired" for anything from failing to reach the testing site within the prescribed time or not showin at all, because:
"I had to get a haircut and my shop was on the way."
to
"I just took one (the test) two weeks ago."
to
"My grandmother passed." perhaps raising the target's deceased grandmother count 4 or 5 by that time.
From the outside looking in it appears unreasonably, well......unreasonable.
But trust me, it is without a doubt, the result of the actions of both the uninformed and/or guilty parties of the past. People are people, and whether it's a product of their own ignorance or the clever actions of the guilty, those people, "the other ones", generally identify the unforseen loopholes that agencies like WADA then needs close with ever more stringent testing and rules addressing such testing.
In short the few tend to ruin things for the many including those who abided by the old rules and/or had nothing to hide in the first place.
The proverbial "Necessary Evil".
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Yes. Because the bad guys are coming up with new ones all the time. Think about your PC virus scanner - it's looking for the known viruses and worms that losers create. And you get (I hope) frequent updates to the files - because new one viruses show up all the time.So there are drugs that can go untested by traditional testing methods?
Sorry for the naivity.
I'm a pretty disciplined guy. But the problem is, when you give a group too much power, the 'roping them back in' becomes impossible. WADA knows they can ruin an athlete's life. Dick Pound, who is either the current or former head, has become a lunatic. Wired Magazine had a good profile a year or so back...
Whilst we dont want drugs cheats in tennis....
The above examples are absolutely unreasonable....when it happens to Roger Federer or Nadal and they are missing from Wimbledon or Roland garos and the fans and viewing figures drop dramtically as they would then it will be a different story.
Interesting. In my line of work everyone is tested coming in - and I believe can be tested if they start exhibiting strange behavior or a huge drop in performance....I am subject to random testing. We're monitored giving our samples the whole nine yards. Is it an invasion of my privacy. No, not really. In my mind it's pre-vindication. Transparency in a field in which the opposition is free to make any unsupported allegation they can think of that could my ability to perform my job effectively. So I don't see it as an intrusion.
Whilst we dont want drugs cheats in tennis....
The above examples are absolutely unreasonable....when it happens to Roger Federer or Nadal and they are missing from Wimbledon or Roland garos and the fans and viewing figures drop dramtically as they would then it will be a different story.
Drug testing is supposed to catch the cheats and not penalise the clean and innocent...
it is should be strict and FAIR!!
That is very true. They're not indentured servants. Forget them - if one of their buddies they trusted not to cheat got busted, they could get another 14 guys to start their own league - think of the top 16 guys doing 15 tournaments around the world? It would be big. They'd still make tons of cash (more?) - and would be in control and not subject to overzealous tyrants.Tennis is one of the few and unique sports where the players actually have far more power than the league itself. The ATP needs both Federer and Nadal more than Federer and Nadal need them.
I know. They can't even take cold medicine at times. It's a little extreme at times.I heard something about this when I was watching Napoli vs Udinese. That is totally stupid. WADA goes overboard. My girl is dealing with them now. She plays field hockey for our national squad, she has a Pan American tournement coming up soon. She was sick a couple weeks ago, with a virus. I had to take her to the emergency at midnight, and they had to put her on an IV right away for the stomach virus she had. It was an emergency. Now WADA is giving her allot of crap. She now might be banned because of the drugs the hospital gave her. Hopefully we can clear this up before the tourney.
This is stupid. Having to tell this group where you are going to be every minute of everyday just in case they want to show up and demand you pee in a cup is a complete invasion of privacy. I know some people would say why would you care if you have nothing to hide, but the fact you could get a strike if say, you told them you were going to be at a hotel and then you had to go to the hospital because a family member is gravely ill and you weren't there to pee in their cup is assenine.
No offense, but I have a feeling you don't fly often - or have your own plane! As much as they fly you could get 3 misses just from airport delays - and remember they don't let you turn your cell on (and wouldn't work) at 37k when the pilot says "ladies and gentlemen,..."I highly doubt that any player would need all of those if they were careful.
No offense, but I have a feeling you don't fly often - or have your own plane! As much as they fly you could get 3 misses just from airport delays - and remember they don't let you turn your cell on (and wouldn't work) at 37k when the pilot says "ladies and gentlemen,..."
Hadn't heard that one - pathetic.
I agree. Like many groups (PETA is another example) - they took a good idea - testing for drugs to assure the public they are seeing clean events - and have gone overboard. They use labs with shoddy testing processes and once they suspect someone you are guilty until proven innocent. And proving a negative is very difficult if not impossible,.
No problem. Here goes: PETA is so 'pro-animal' that they think everyone should be a vegetarian. I find this ridiculous. I love animals. But there are some who's 'role' is to be food for we humans. I eat tons of salmon. I don't want to hear that fish 'suffer' when they get hooked. Bears eat salmon. Should we force bears to stop eating salmon and only eat soy? I don't think so.I'm curious as to how you think PETA has gone overboard? My wife and I are PETA members. I'm all ears. I am not arguing, just wanna hear why you think that.
Sorry, not buying that you fly - if you do you've been lucky. Back to my statement - at 37k, there are no options! I can't count the # of times I've circled over Lake Michigan waiting for the plane to be cleared to land at O'Hare.Actually, I fly a fair bit. For that example, though, let's say your flight takes off mid-morning. You can be at home (or in a hotel) for 6am-7am, then leave to go the airport. If the flight's delayed an entire day due to weather, you obviously won't be in the air and will be perfectly capable of updating your schedule via SMS or a phone call. Not to mention that a designate - a coach, trainer, parent, spouse, etc - can file or change information for you in that situation. All it takes is a bit more scheduling on the part of the players.
Sorry, not buying that you fly - if you do you've been lucky. Back to my statement - at 37k, there are no options! I can't count the # of times I've circled over Lake Michigan waiting for the plane to be cleared to land at O'Hare.
And what about the women? Is is safe for them to be giving their detailed daily schedule out to strangers? This policy is overkill - defend it all you like, I'm not buying. Please list the drugs that can be flushed in a matter of hours that can dramatically improve athletic performance.
I know. They can't even take cold medicine at times. It's a little extreme at times.