Pro's Pro Strings!?

[1HBHfanatic]

im liking alot of the pros pro strings, my favorites:
blackout, red devil, startegem8, ichiban spin, concept, lethal 8
all of these i like on the thicker guages mosttly, ive tried the small 18g 1.20 and below but did not like them as much..

 

[skraggle]

The only really good string they have is Pro's Pro Blackout

While I don't think that Blackout is their only good string, I DO agree that Blackout is definitely the best. Might not have tried without your strong endorsement, so thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Imago]

I've got about 10 km of Pro's Pro strings and the best one so far is Hexaspin 1.25 strung at 28-30 kg.

 

[skraggle]

I've got about 10 km of Pro's Pro strings and the best one so far is Hexaspin 1.25 strung at 28-30 kg.

I will put this on my list as well...thanks.

 

[4-string]

I've got about 10 km of Pro's Pro strings and the best one so far is Hexaspin 1.25 strung at 28-30 kg.

LOL, I've got about the same amount myself.

Very happy with 16g Red Devil in my Steam 99S. Comfortable with low power and good control around 60lbs, yet quite crispy feel.

I strung a Steam 99S for a friend with Black Out 1.25 just to compare to his RPM blast 1.25. He found them to be very similar, and could use either and be happy. Both break in an hour or two in that frame though.

I have Strategem 8 1.25 in my APD, works just fine.

I have also had excellent results with Nano Vendetta 1.25 in a Six One 95 18x20.

The ones I have tried so far are all great value, and is perfect for recreational players like myself. I string my own rackets, so I can afford to experiment a bit.

I will try Spinox 1.30 in my Steam and Ichiban Spin 1.20 in my APD next, before I sell both rackets. I just prefer my six ones over both of them.

 

[Karstic]

I have also had excellent results with Nano Vendetta 1.25 in a Six One 95 18x20.

The 1.30 Nano Vendetta played very well in a 16x18 version. I recently strung it up with 1.25 Intense Heat and it seems to play well also, but I only spent a couple of minutes with it. Preferred the Nano Vendetta, I think.

 

[djNEiGht]

just got an email about their new string

"KU DE TA" and is compared to ALU Power Rough.

Anyone try it?

 

[4-string]

Always interesting with ALU knock offs, let's hope PP nails it.

I have another reel of Red Devil on the way, 18g/1.14mm this time. Not expecting it to last forever, but should be fine in my 18x20s.

 

[Imago]

 

[SpinToWin]

^^^^say what!??! :lol:

 

[chrischris]

im liking alot of the pros pro strings, my favorites:
blackout, red devil, startegem8, ichiban spin, concept, lethal 8
all of these i like on the thicker guages mosttly, ive tried the small 18g 1.20 and below but did not like them as much..

Did you use them in open or in 18/20 string pattern rackets .?? im looking for something to suit 18/20 Head MP Radicals and PT57A.

 

[Aretium]

Question for people (particularly BIGT if he is around). What's the best gut/poly alternative from the pro's pro range? Don't care for durability (although 2hours+ would be good). So basically a multi/syn main and poly cross.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

chrischris,
yeah, i use the strings mentioned above on my wilson.k.blades, 18/20, all work well for me, and give good power and feel, in a hybrid string job, (lately syn.gut/poly crosses)
i tried the smaller 18g strings on most of them and got too much pop
the red-devil and vendeta polys ive had to increase tension a couple more lbs than my normal, due to the pop and the string stretch

 

[nadalfanimal]

Just to add my 2cents on a 5yr old post...I've tried black force.. Not as much pop as rpm but excellent durability and stability for the price bar none...a Excellent 5hr....but drops and stabilises after that...gradually degrades at 20hr maximum till its dead...takes getting used to in stringing because it stretches quite a bit.but relatively easy string job..anyway hope it help

 

[chrischris]

chrischris,
yeah, i use the strings mentioned above on my wilson.k.blades, 18/20, all work well for me, and give good power and feel, in a hybrid string job, (lately syn.gut/poly crosses)
i tried the smaller 18g strings on most of them and got too much pop
the red-devil and vendeta polys ive had to increase tension a couple more lbs than my normal, due to the pop and the string stretch

Ok, sounds good , do you like the Kblade 98 ??

 

[nadalfanimal]

More of a 95 and 90 fan myself...don't know how it go with 98...but like all polys it helps with consistency and spin...if u tried rpm but can't afford...then this is a decent alternative...though would highly recommend the rpm if u can afford...perhaps pp on practice...or a fresh string job at Ur tourney...good luck

 

[sbaniak]

Oh man... I think I have to try that......It makes me think of the Circle Jerks song by the same (phonetic) name.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

Ok, sounds good , do you like the Kblade 98 ??

ive tried the 98, not bad, good pop, good control
im using the older wilson.k.blade tour 93",
the 93" swings alot better and easier with the 1hbh

 

[BretH]

Question for people (particularly BIGT if he is around). What's the best gut/poly alternative from the pro's pro range? Don't care for durability (although 2hours+ would be good). So basically a multi/syn main and poly cross.

Had good luck with Prince original Syn Gut mains and Vendetta crosses at about 44/40 lbs. Long lasting and consistent.

Tried the same setup substituting Clay Court Plus (which I do like full-bed) and it broke within a hitting session.

What I like about SynGut mains + poly crosses (aside form the price) is that the mains snap back from the first hit to the last. Near the end the syngut was grooved maybe halfway through by the poly but they still slide side-to-side so they snapped back.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

Had good luck with Prince original Syn Gut mains and Vendetta crosses at about 44/40 lbs. Long lasting and consistent.

Tried the same setup substituting Clay Court Plus (which I do like full-bed) and it broke within a hitting session.

What I like about SynGut mains + poly crosses (aside form the price) is that the mains snap back from the first hit to the last. Near the end the syngut was grooved maybe halfway through by the poly but they still slide side-to-side so they snapped back.

to add to your example
i like synt.gut/poly setup more than multi/poly setup
the synt.gut/poly setup gives me more control, the multi setup is a bit sloppy for my game..

 

[1HBHfanatic]

KUDETA strings

anyone try this string yet?

 

[SGM1980]

Is the spinox a good substitute for luxilon 4G rough?

Going to start stringing my own and go through the 4G rough pretty quickly but like the feel in the wilson spin rackets.

Thanks!

 

[Cobra Tennis]

Is the spinox a good substitute for luxilon 4G rough?

Going to start stringing my own and go through the 4G rough pretty quickly but like the feel in the wilson spin rackets.

Thanks!

Absolutely. In a spin effect and with a poly, you'll want to restring often. Spinox is a good substitute at a much, much, much cheaper rate.

I had a client using 4G switch to Spinox as it was so much cheaper. He restrings every two weeks. I actually just keep his reel here for him.

 

[AsianArnold1]

Absolutely. In a spin effect and with a poly, you'll want to restring often. Spinox is a good substitute at a much, much, much cheaper rate.

I had a client using 4G switch to Spinox as it was so much cheaper. He restrings every two weeks. I actually just keep his reel here for him.

i've never tried the actual 4G, but i really like my spinox and so do 3-4 of my friends that i string for. good bite on the ball.
on my racket, i go back and forth with normal tension~54-57# to ELT~35-40# depending on whatever PP strings i rotate.
Right now i have spinox at 37# on my Steam99(non-S). it's awesome, i can whack the ball and dips at the last second. I'm a solid 4.5

 

[tennisBIEST]

Okay guys I just got my reel of Devil Spin in and I strung it up at 50 in the mains with Red Devil in the crosses at 50. So let's cut to the chase....holy freaking moly devil spin is the weirdest string I've ever seen!! It looks and feels like I metal wire. I was going to string up a full bed but I just couldn't see the crosses ever sliding back. Beware its the kinkiest string on the planet. Once you pull it off the reel it immediately starting to twirl itself up. Once on the stringer it behaves like any ole string. I went out and hit some serves and my kickers were spinning hard with that egg shape. With a soft cross like red devil it feels comfy. I then hit on ball machine and did some drilling and I'd have to say its a really nice main string for you spin lovers. I did check my string bed for notching and It does appear to notch quickly. All in all I liked the spin, power and comfort now I just need to dial in the right tension...thinking upping it +2 lbs. Now I need to name this hybrid...Red Devil Spin? Devil Spin Red? RedRum? Thoughts?

 

[skraggle]

Interesting...will have to give this combo a try.

Devil's Double?

 

[tennisBIEST]

interesting...will have to give this combo a try.

Devil's double?

dos diablos!!!!!!

 

[THESEXPISTOL]

While I don't think that Blackout is their only good string, I DO agree that Blackout is definitely the best. Might not have tried without your strong endorsement, so thanks for pointing that out.

You're welcome! PPBO is my tennis pals standart string since 2010. We already went from dozens and dozens of reels during that period. Cheap as chips and very realiable when fresh. After 3/4 hours it loses some tension as it's not as explosive but is still playable and comfortable.

I'm not playing much tennis this days and when i play i don't want to do poly since i'm not able to hit as clean as i do when i'm playing regularly and that impacts on my arm health, so i'll be trying some Pro's Pro Top Spin synthetic to see if it is any good.

 

[tennisBIEST]

Update on the DOS DIABLOS(2Devils) setup....so I'm on maybe hour 3-4 and I hit on ball machine, drills and serve practice again last night and I'm liking what I see. My fh, bh, and serves were doing exactly what I was wanting(big spin)! My slices and drop shots are really biting. Its a nice feeling when you are hitting and can trust your swing. The Devil Spin mains really grip the ball which helps with the confidence. I checked the mains for notching and I'm pleasantly surprised to see minimal notching...I believe I got another good 3-4 hours before its either breaking or mains are moving too much. The tension of the string bed feels quite stable after 3-4hours and nowhere near trampoline like or mushy. So in conclusion I'm gonna mess around with some different tensions maybe 52 fb and see what I like better. Peace from the BIEST!

 

[SGM1980]

Just strung three Wilson Steam 99S/99LS rackets with Spinox. I'll let you all know how it goes.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

Update on the DOS DIABLOS(2Devils) setup....so I'm on maybe hour 3-4 and I hit on ball machine, drills and serve practice again last night and I'm liking what I see. My fh, bh, and serves were doing exactly what I was wanting(big spin)! My slices and drop shots are really biting. Its a nice feeling when you are hitting and can trust your swing. The Devil Spin mains really grip the ball which helps with the confidence. I checked the mains for notching and I'm pleasantly surprised to see minimal notching...I believe I got another good 3-4 hours before its either breaking or mains are moving too much. The tension of the string bed feels quite stable after 3-4hours and nowhere near trampoline like or mushy. So in conclusion I'm gonna mess around with some different tensions maybe 52 fb and see what I like better. Peace from the BIEST!

I liked the devil spin intially, 1st day was good, but towards end of the hitting session it started to move toomuch onme. I had it strung at 60lbs mains with a soft synt.cross..
like descrived above. Stringing wasa nightmare.

 

[gmatheis]

Just strung three Wilson Steam 99S/99LS rackets with Spinox. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Curious to see how you like Spinox, considering getting a reel.

 

[tennisBIEST]

I liked the devil spin intially, 1st day was good, but towards end of the hitting session it started to move toomuch onme. I had it strung at 60lbs mains with a soft synt.cross..
like descrived above. Stringing wasa nightmare.

I would really try a smooth poly cross like Red Devil. RD is super comfy and its completely notch free after two matches(straight sets victories). Regarding the stringing I'm getting used to it now and I'm finding that it's less kinky each time I use it. I did bump up the tension to 52/52 and I'm in love! The spin is straight outrageous! Im a 4.5 and hit as many big fh's as humanly possible and the ball just violently dips and then explodes off the court. My services percentage is the best its ever been because I get so much grip off the strings I can just spin the hell out of it. I used to use syn gut crosses with blackout in the mains and I too found the strings getting stuck out of place so now I just use that setup for feeding. So I'm just going to say it .....Devil Spin in the mains is the best spin string I have ever used p..e..r..i..o..d!

 

[v-verb]

Nice! I have a reel of Devil Spin and it's my fave poly.

That said I've got a set of Ashaway Crossfire (Kevlar/ZX Monogut) strung at 25/30 lbs that Ilike more than DS.

The Kevlar/Monogut gives me more spin and control, but a tad less power.

For a poly string however Devil Spin is my fave

 

[Aretium]

Played a few matches with Black Force 1.14mm. Had to drop the tension because it is really stiff even for such a thin gauge! Can see similarities to RPM blast and the string has a coating which I will mention later. Plays well from the back of the court and the front. For some reason, I can't serve well with it but that could be me. The string dies before it breaks and I think the main reason is the coating, the string when fresh is shiny and reflects light, after even just 2/3 sets the coating is gone and it becomes lower powered and stiffer. It is also a crisp string.

A very good string.

 

[Muppet]

Played a few matches with Black Force 1.14mm. Had to drop the tension because it is really stiff even for such a thin gauge! Can see similarities to RPM blast and the string has a coating which I will mention later. Plays well from the back of the court and the front. For some reason, I can't serve well with it but that could be me. The string dies before it breaks and I think the main reason is the coating, the string when fresh is shiny and reflects light, after even just 2/3 sets the coating is gone and it becomes lower powered and stiffer. It is also a crisp string.

A very good string.

I'd like to add that because the gauge is thinner, the string bed is lighter. After removing weight from the handle to go back to my balance, I got a nice 3 gram overall decrease in static weight. When switching from 17g poly to a 17g synthetic gut, I can lighten my racquets by 5 grams.

 

[Karstic]

Heads up! Got an email from the U.S. source with the following in it.

Pro's Pro Vendetta is one of our more popular co-polys, loved for it's(sic) soft, muted feel. This original formula has been discontinued however, and we are down to under 50 reels in all colors & gauges. If you are one of the many that has gotten hooked on this string, stock up now because once these are gone....that's it!

 

[Slitch]

Has anyone tried the Power synthetic as a cross? I'm reluctant to buy a reel, even though it's very cheap, because the regular synthetic (prestretched) is a piece of ....

 

[tennisBIEST]

Has anyone tried the Power synthetic as a cross? I'm reluctant to buy a reel, even though it's very cheap, because the regular synthetic (prestretched) is a piece of ....

I'm also interested. I wasn't a fan of the Synthetic due to its low powered feel. I haven't tried the Synthetic Power but I have read that it's close to Forten Sweet which if true it was a more powerful and softer synthetic. The Technifibre Syn. Gut is a nice synthetic but its also a lowered powered synthetic which does make for a nice poly hybrid setup.

 

[Aretium]

Ordererd Nano vendetta. Will post a review soon.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

pros pro synt. power (various colors), good experience
ive tried this string
its worked well for me, it is a power oriented synthetic
ive used it on mains and crosses, full job, it seems to move well, it snaps back well
it does have a powedery/plasticky feel to it
for a deader feel ive used other strings
what i like about pp.syn.power is the snap back quality and the color options when hybriding it with other strings
durability is also not bad, provably not as good as gamma or dunlop strings of the same type, but price and performance ratio is good enough for me..

 

[Aretium]

Pro's Pro Nano Vendetta Review
1.25mm White
Two Piece at 44lbs in Wilson 90 pro staff blx
Not so nice to string, doesn't stretch. The string is very slick.
On the court, the string pocketed the ball really well, one of the softest polys I have used. I would say it was slightly crisp with good feedback. Spin is usual with any poly. Control is good. Serving is great due to the extra power. Great touch.

Overall, will probably switch to this string for now, I love crisp strings that pocket the ball and it complements my racket.

 

[YarikA99]

I was going to order a couple of reels and so far i have chosen Spinox 16l and Devil Spin. I am looking for another poly that behaves like rpm blast and I can't quite decide between Strategem 8, Black Force or maybe Black Out, but i am leaning more towards strategem 8. If anyone has tried these strings can they compare them to see which is better.

 

[Aretium]

I was going to order a couple of reels and so far i have chosen Spinox 16l and Devil Spin. I am looking for another poly that behaves like rpm blast and I can't quite decide between Strategem 8, Black Force or maybe Black Out, but i am leaning more towards strategem 8. If anyone has tried these strings can they compare them to see which is better.

I really liked black force 1.14 mm. Loads of control and as much spin as I have ever experienced with a string and it is also very crisp. Beware it is stiff which surprised me for a 1.14mm string so string it a little lower. The downside is it dies very quickly (the coating comes off), so I need a fresh string every time I play. This isn't a bad thing however, perfect if you are playing tournaments/competitive.

 

[ericcomposer72]

I really liked black force 1.14 mm. Loads of control and as much spin as I have ever experienced with a string and it is also very crisp. Beware it is stiff which surprised me for a 1.14mm string so string it a little lower. The downside is it dies very quickly (the coating comes off), so I need a fresh string every time I play. This isn't a bad thing however, perfect if you are playing tournaments/competitive.

I have a set of black force (1.30, though... going in a 16x18 racket). Looking forward to seeing its spin potential, even if for a limited time...

If I'm looking for a string that maintains its spin potential for the longest possible amount of time that can be expected from a poly, would any pro's pro strings do the trick? Or should I look elsewhere? I know you've used strings like outlast and black fire, and I've heard they maintain their spin qualities for a relatively long time... ?


EDIT:

to expound upon that a bit, I realize most poly's will not be able to give you crazy spin for their whole life...

I have experienced "crazy" spin with fresh sets of RPM blast, Strategem 8, and Kirschbaum Proline X. After the first sessions with them, I still find they all have great spin potential, but just no longer "crazy" anymore (I have very high rackethead speed, btw).

Just looking for something that may be able to be "above average" for a longer period of time, as I realize, probably with all poly, that the "crazy spin" period cannot last throughout the entire usable life of the string.

 

[SpinToWin]

I have a set of black force (1.30, though... going in a 16x18 racket). Looking forward to seeing its spin potential, even if for a limited time...

If I'm looking for a string that maintains its spin potential for the longest possible amount of time that can be expected from a poly, would any pro's pro strings do the trick? Or should I look elsewhere? I know you've used strings like outlast and black fire, and I've heard they maintain their spin qualities for a relatively long time... ?


EDIT:

to expound upon that a bit, I realize most poly's will not be able to give you crazy spin for their whole life...

I have experienced "crazy" spin with fresh sets of RPM blast, Strategem 8, and Kirschbaum Proline X. After the first sessions with them, I still find they all have great spin potential, but just no longer "crazy" anymore (I have very high rackethead speed, btw).

Just looking for something that may be able to be "above average" for a longer period of time, as I realize, probably with all poly, that the "crazy spin" period cannot last throughout the entire usable life of the string.

Just a trick that helps:
Have some WD-40 ready and whenever you feel a drop off in spin spray the center of the stringbed at an oblique angle until you see needs forming. Then move the center main strings back and forth so that the WD-40 gets between the strings. Crazy spin is back again.

 

[SpinToWin]

I was going to order a couple of reels and so far i have chosen Spinox 16l and Devil Spin. I am looking for another poly that behaves like rpm blast and I can't quite decide between Strategem 8, Black Force or maybe Black Out, but i am leaning more towards strategem 8. If anyone has tried these strings can they compare them to see which is better.

Stratagem 8 has a soft feel and is fairly powerful for a poly, offering very good spin. It is for those who want a lively poly for topspin.
Black Out feels stiffer, has better control and a more direct response (is better for touch shots). It also is slightly less lively, so it offers slightly less spin IMO.
I am not sure about Black Force in thicker gauges unfortunately…

Hope that helps.

 

[4-string]

Just a trick that helps:
Have some WD-40 ready and whenever you feel a drop off in spin spray the center of the stringbed at an oblique angle until you see needs forming. Then move the center main strings back and forth so that the WD-40 gets between the strings. Crazy spin is back again.

Interesting, I'll give this a try sometime.

Wouldn't the WD-40 reduce string to ball friction as well?

 

[SpinToWin]

Interesting, I'll give this a try sometime.

Wouldn't the WD-40 reduce string to ball friction as well?

No. Seriously, ball-to-string friction is one of the most overrated characteristics out there. The strings will grab the ball either way.

 

[tk243]

Ichiban Spin is great, like Pro Hurricane Tour but with better ball feel somehow. Super in a hybrid with Head Synthetic Gut PPS.

I never could get on with Red Devil though. It felt harsh on my elbow even in a hybrid.

Clay Court Plus is a good low powered multi, a bit like Yonex Super Tour Pro but slightly stiffer.