pt57a compared to tc97-95

[Taita87]

Hi, I saw people saying pt57a play really similar to tc95 and others saying tc97 is closer.

Paul (or the customer service? I don't know), via message, said that pt57a users could be more familiar with the tc95-tc100 feeling.

where's the truth?

 

[SpinToWin]

TC 97. I really don’t feel much Head heritage with the 95

 

[stephenclown]

According to the first reviews of the K7 it is going to be king of Head feeling among Angell frames. Maybe wait for some more reviews

I too feel the 97 feels more like head frames, flex in hoop and very nice feeling. 95 is more powerful and very very different feeling, just personal preference between the two imo.

 

[Imago]

95 is closer in feel to PT600, don't know about 90 - probably even closer... Never tried PT57 - only Bumblebee OS, but if 97 18M is the closest thing to PT57, I will stick to PC and PT 600. IMO, Dunlop Rev Tour Pro with MW 200G PJ has much better feel than TC97...

 

[Taita87]

So confusing

 

[Gee]

So confusing

Yes indeed.
I played just over a year with TC95 18x20 63RA and since a few months I switched to TC97 18x20 (because I wanted a little more foregiveness).

They play very similar to me but the feel is the most noticable difference.

I agree with Paul that the TC95 has a softer feel that I actually prefer over the TC97.

The TC97 has a crisper feel that reminds me of a Wilson Blade. It even felt harsh with a full poly stringbed (Luxilon BB Ace at 23/22 kg) to me. I had to string the TC97 with a hybrid multi/poly stringbed at a lower tension (23/21 kg).

Though I never had the chance in order to hit with a PT57A I also suggest (however I trust Paul into this) the TC95 or TC100 63RA has a feel that is closer to the PT57A.

 

[SpinToWin]

Yes indeed.
I played just over a year with TC95 18x20 63RA and since a few months I switched to TC97 18x20 (because I wanted a little more foregiveness).

They play very similar to me but the feel is the most noticable difference.

I agree with Paul that the TC95 has a softer feel that I actually prefer over the TC97.

The TC97 has a crisper feel that reminds me of a Wilson Blade. It even felt harsh with a full poly stringbed (Luxilon BB Ace at 23/22 kg) to me. I had to string the TC97 with a hybrid multi/poly stringbed at a lower tension (23/21 kg).

Though I never had the chance in order to hit with a PT57A I also suggest the TC95 or TC100 63RA has a feel that is closer to the PT57A.

Uhm. How would you know?

 

[Gee]

Uhm. How would you know?

Maybe can you send me a PT57A to test this?

 

[Taita87]

Now there's also the k7 to confuse it more


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[Gee]

Maybe can you send me a PT57A to test this?

I only have a PC600.

 

[Gee]

Now there's also the k7 to confuse it more


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I didn't hit with it but I think K7 'll feel very similar to my Völkl C10 Pro that also contains a graphite kevlar composition.
The C10 pro also feels more muted than the Angells to me.

 

[stephenclown]

I didn't hit with it but I think K7 'll feel very similar to my Völkl C10 Pro that also contains a graphite kevlar composition.
The C10 pro also feels more muted than the Angells to me.

Well considering head used Twaron (Aramid/kevlar) in their decent frames and the K7 flex profile is more similar to that of the 95 I think it has more chance of being similar to head pro stock than other Angells.

 

[Gee]

Well considering head used Twaron (Aramid/kevlar) in their decent frames and the K7 flex profile is more similar to that of the 95 I think it has more chance of being similar to head pro stock than other Angells.

Yes I agree. Though the K7 has a higher RA value than a PT57A I can imagine the K7 might feel as soft because of the bigger headsize and open pattern vs the (actual) 95 sq inch head size and dense 18x20 stringbed of the PT57A.

But the TC95 63RA 18x20 might be close as well because of the feel of the 18x20 stringbed.

 

[stephenclown]

Yes I agree. Though the K7 has a higher RA value than a PT57A I can imagine the K7 might feel as soft because of the bigger headsize and open pattern vs the (actual) 95 sq inch head size and dense 18x20 stringbed of the PT57A.

Well Subaravich measured the flex of the K7 at 55 for some reason and Topspn says it has noticeable flex as well. I am really interested in why tgis has happened or just a one off with first batch? Would be similar to the Andy Murray frame at 55 ra I would guess but his frame has a pretty tight pattern.

 

[Gee]

Well Subaravich measured the flex of the K7 at 55 for some reason and Topspn says it has noticeable flex as well. I am really interested in why tgis has happened or just a one off with first batch? Would be similar to the Andy Murray frame at 55 ra I would guess but his frame has a pretty tight pattern.

Yeah I read that too. A little strange because the advertised RA value is 64 unstrung.

 

[galapagos]

I saw somewhere here that tc97 feels like H22 xD

 

[Taita87]

I saw somewhere here that tc97 feels like H22 xD

Yeah I'm so dank confused...

Someone says tc95 is equal to pt57a... Someone says it's the tc97...
Now the k7 is the closest of all lol

I would want a frame that's equally sort of really plush


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[Hansen]

neither the tc95 63ra, nor the tc97 (both 16x19) i played with felt really plush and soft.
my worn-out lm radical mp feels plusher than both angells.
if you have the chance you should demo the pacific xforce pro no.1.

 

[Taita87]

neither the tc95 63ra, nor the tc97 (both 16x19) i played with felt really plush and soft.
my worn-out lm radical mp feels plusher than both angells.
if you have the chance you should demo the pacific xforce pro no.1.

Yes, pt57a is famous for is buttery feel and so on. I'm searching a racquet that is buttery plush and control oriented (and that i don't have to pay 300€ a frame).

I tried textreme tour 95, i.prestige mp, pro kennex q+tour 300, donnay formula, donnay pro one gt, pro staff ls (2014), new wilson ultra 100, new head extreme (yellow).

Of all these frames, the pro kennex q+tour 300 is the butteriest (can I say that in english? ). But is buttery thanks to something that "absorbs" the force of the impact and somehow hide the feel you get on the stroke. On the contrary the textreme tour 95 gets you really connected to the ball but is nowhere near that kind of buttery feel.
The i.prestige mp was plush too, kinda muted.

I was expecting one of the angell frames to be closer to the buttery feel i'm searching but still with great control and feel.
Is the pacific good in that aspect?

 

[galapagos]

Yes, pt57a is famous for is buttery feel and so on. I'm searching a racquet that is buttery plush and control oriented (and that i don't have to pay 300€ a frame).

I tried textreme tour 95, i.prestige mp, pro kennex q+tour 300, donnay formula, donnay pro one gt, pro staff ls (2014), new wilson ultra 100, new head extreme (yellow).

Of all these frames, the pro kennex q+tour 300 is the butteriest (can I say that in english? ). But is buttery thanks to something that "absorbs" the force of the impact and somehow hide the feel you get on the stroke. On the contrary the textreme tour 95 gets you really connected to the ball but is nowhere near that kind of buttery feel.
The i.prestige mp was plush too, kinda muted.

I was expecting one of the angell frames to be closer to the buttery feel i'm searching but still with great control and feel.
Is the pacific good in that aspect?

I remember playing with Yonex Dr 98 lime colour and it was super soft. Never felt the impact that way. Very very comfortable but the power was a bit too big for me. Blue colour of the dr 98 was imo a bit stiffer but much more control oriented. I know many ppl here think I am crazy with my theory ;p I had 2 limes in my hand, 5 blue and still my theory was correct.

Same problem with tc95 vs 97 power and softness. I would say more ppl confirm that 97 is more control oriented stick while Paul as a designer tells you that tc97 is supposed to be livelier than tc95... I had 3 tc95 18x20 with same weight and balance but only SW was different. This journey showed me how I react to different SW. 335 vs 328 vs 320. All were different. With popular brands like Wilson/Head etc. its impossible to "learn" your preferred specs because QC is garbage. The thing is. SW has influence on power lvl. If someone had 335 tc 95 and then tried 320 SW tc97 imo he can't really compare the racquets as an overall designs. My 335 SW tc 95 was toootaaaalyyyyy different than 320 SW tc95. and only one spec changed.

 

[dgoran]

IMHO I think there are enough variance in production of Angell frames that for some tc97 18x20 felt exactly like pt and for some tc95 18x20.
If you ask me tc95 felt “butteriest” lol and like someone said above tc97 felt like a blade. I felt exactly the same I had new cv blade 18x20 at the time I was testing tc97 and felt no need to go with it next to my blade while tc95 felt “special”

Now with ultra tour 97 I think that one is closest with some lead tape.

Long story short I am afraid with angell being custom you can only find out yourself by ordering one to your specs and ask if they can pick one for you with lower RA value and higher swing weight .

 

[Hansen]

I was expecting one of the angell frames to be closer to the buttery feel i'm searching but still with great control and feel.
Is the pacific good in that aspect?

i played for years with a fischer pro no.1 and that racquet had the best feel (together with the yonex rdx 500 mid or the yonex rqis1 95 toour) and due to the 16x20 pattern also good control.
since the pacific xforce pro no. 1 has the same mold, i assume that it feels similar enough to the fischer (also the reviews point in that direction)
so if you can demo the pacific you should do it (but lead it up first).

 

[Taita87]

It's so damn difficult without trying frames..
I probably would test Angell 95-97-k7, pro kennex k+tour pro 325 (already tried the 300 16-19 version), the pacific you mentioned

 

[SinjinCooper]

Hi, I saw people saying pt57a play really similar to tc95 and others saying tc97 is closer.

Paul (or the customer service? I don't know), via message, said that pt57a users could be more familiar with the tc95-tc100 feeling.

where's the truth?

The truth lies in realizing that all racquets of similar construction play pretty much the same, from vintage PT 630s, to TC95s, to TC97s, to Andy Murray's personal stock.

Pick something. If it feels ok, get a couple more. The magic in any stick lies only in the benefit of consistency, hit after hit, year after year.

 

[Power Player]

I have a pt630 and had a tc97 and they played so similar that I switched between both. The tc97 is a little easier to use. More power and a little more forgiving.

 

[Taita87]

I have a pt630 and had a tc97 and they played so similar that I switched between both. The tc97 is a little easier to use. More power and a little more forgiving.

18x20?

 

[Power Player]

18x20?

Yeah of course. Don't get a 16x19 if you want a frame that feels like a PT630.

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

Tc95 is not very Head-like its more like Dunlop's 95 inch 200series... it has max200g like qualities and heritage and PS85-like qualities too but far bigger spin. S2W called it "Thor's hammer" once

I feel like the classic Heads are more measured and less "daaaaaaang" reaction inducing.

 

[Paulo Braz]

I have a pt630 and had a tc97 and they played so similar that I switched between both. The tc97 is a little easier to use. More power and a little more forgiving.

Really, I agree with your opinion. The feel is very close to the 2.

 

[SpinToWin]

Tc95 is not very Head-like its more like Dunlop's 95 inch 200series... it has max200g like qualities and heritage and PS85-like qualities too but far bigger spin. S2W called it "Thor's hammer" once

I feel like the classic Heads are more measured and "daaaaaaang" reaction inducing.

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

a day at the office... I cant even explain (favorite scene from any superhero movie though)

 

[joohan]

i played for years with a fischer pro no.1 and that racquet had the best feel (together with the yonex rdx 500 mid or the yonex rqis1 95 toour) and due to the 16x20 pattern also good control.
since the pacific xforce pro no. 1 has the same mold, i assume that it feels similar enough to the fischer (also the reviews point in that direction)
so if you can demo the pacific you should do it (but lead it up first).

I like the flexier feel of M(agnetic) Speed Pro No.1 better than Pro No.1 but, boy, Pro No.1 or VT98Pro mold feels good with multi.

 

[Caol-ila]

a day at the office... I cant even explain (favorite scene from any superhero movie though)

Which movie?