Cesc Fabregas
Legend
It's funny that Nadal's best performances against Djokovic this year came on his worst surfaces and Djokovic's best.
Rafael Nadal vs Novak Djokovic Wimbledon FINAL
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Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Nadal was playing very well till 4-5 30-0.
Yeah, well it's insane. Even after witnessing a couple of the wins on his run, it's still hard for me to believe he's 48-1.
cys19
Semi-Pro
Having a family, let alone a set of twin babies, also takes up a bit of time and focus away from his training.
JeMar
Legend
So, is it safe to say that Djokovic owns Nadal now? He's beaten him the last five times, on hard court, on clay, and on grass. In a regular tour final and in a major final. What else does he need to do before the Rafatards admit that Djokovic is a bad matchup for Nadal?
Nadal<Djokovic<Federer<Nadal<Djokovic<Federer,etc...
This is why legacies are weighted by overall achievements.
Nadal<Djokovic<Federer<Nadal<Djokovic<Federer,etc...
This is why legacies are weighted by overall achievements.
namelessone
Legend
Well duuhhh, only ****s(regardless of who they support) think otherwise.
As I said, in tennis, everybody becomes someone's b!tch at one point. It's called having a bad matchup.
I struggle to think of players who didn't get owned by certain players, even when they were tremendous players on their own. Even Sampras had Krajicek.
DarthFed
Hall of Fame
I can tell no one was hype about this match 
, ive been able to post/access the forum just fine .
So happy for Nole...people wrote him off on grass but this isnt the old novak. I expected a 5 setter...Nadal looked.....defeated i didn't see any belief in him. But this is how fed looked against him, Nadal has found his...Nadal.
, ive been able to post/access the forum just fine .So happy for Nole...people wrote him off on grass but this isnt the old novak. I expected a 5 setter...Nadal looked.....defeated i didn't see any belief in him. But this is how fed looked against him, Nadal has found his...Nadal.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
LOL!!!! This is absolutely hilarious, breaker.
Puddy
Rookie
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
The better player won. No doubt about that. Djokovic is king.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Yes, it was a good start for Nadal.
Tsonga played well until a similar point in his semifinal against Djokovic, and
Murray had a good 1st set against Rafa Friday, too.
Federer played well until a similar point in the first set of the RG final.
Mental game. Huge.
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Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
Just got back from seeing this in the cinema.
Some fun rallies, Rafa threw the kitchen sink at Novak today, but everything kept coming back at him.
Novak is a beast. Apart from being less nervous at crucial moments, I don't honestly know what else Rafa could have done today, I haven't seen him look like that before.
There were times in the second set where I was getting flashbacks of Federer/Hewitt at the 2004 US Open. Great shots from Nadal that Novak was almost always able to get to and win the point.
Djokovic had a noticeable dip in the 3rd set though, and Rafa pounced like a lion. A part of me almost thought he'd turned it around, even more so when that netcord went over in the 4th set to give Rafa the break back for 2-2.
Today felt like a changing of the guard. Fedal may have dominated the French Open again, but Novak has dominated everything else.
All I can say is... thank God Murray didn't reach the final...
Some fun rallies, Rafa threw the kitchen sink at Novak today, but everything kept coming back at him.
Novak is a beast. Apart from being less nervous at crucial moments, I don't honestly know what else Rafa could have done today, I haven't seen him look like that before.
There were times in the second set where I was getting flashbacks of Federer/Hewitt at the 2004 US Open. Great shots from Nadal that Novak was almost always able to get to and win the point.
Djokovic had a noticeable dip in the 3rd set though, and Rafa pounced like a lion. A part of me almost thought he'd turned it around, even more so when that netcord went over in the 4th set to give Rafa the break back for 2-2.
Today felt like a changing of the guard. Fedal may have dominated the French Open again, but Novak has dominated everything else.
All I can say is... thank God Murray didn't reach the final...
zagor
Bionic Poster
Interesting that mental midget put up a better fight in 2008 Wimbledon final than Nadal did today. How is that possible?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
IMO,his forehand went off the boil again.Not hitting it hard enough a lot of the time and missing rather too many.That's maybe because Djokovic has got to him.He certainly wasn't missing many of them when he played Murray!
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
I find it unbelievable that Nadal even made the final with his grave foot injury. I think Nadal will learn from this tournament, start taking his body seriously, and I would be one bit surprised if he won another 10+ slams over the next three years.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
hahah! Great catch, Zagor.
Seeing people like her get proven wrong is just a blissful experience. You could feel the hostility in her post. "Not a mental midget like your dear Fed" :lol: :lol:
purple-n-gold
Hall of Fame
JumpSmash
Rookie
It feels so wrong :sad: I miss the times when I saw him lift that trophy. I don't mind that too much at any other tournament. As in mentally I have come to accept the way things are and the fact that he can't always win. But at Wimbledon, it just feels wrong
Mandy, I get your sadness. It's sad that Fed is no longer winning Wimbledon; we've taken it as almost a given for many years. But Roger's time has passed and he had a great run. It's probably time for his fans to move on and not get too depressed over Fed's losses as they will be come even more frequently. We are now in the Djokodal era.
MaiDee
Professional
Don't worry. Just change the name.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Nadal himself admitted after the match that he lacks confidence against Novak and you could see it in the key points of the match today, does that qualify for scared ?
All right Novak D!!!! Number one ranking in the world and now winner of (what I feel is) the greatest prize in professional tennis. Those folks who are saying that Fed and Nadal are finished-I think you are wrong, I know Rafa's got some more titles in him, and I still think that Roger might win another title before he calls it quits.
No it's not sad, i am very very happy that is the case right now. i have nothing against Fed.
Raoul_Duke
Professional
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Ha ha. Your "mental giant" would have gone down in straights in 2008 if it hadn't been for the long numerous rain delays. You really lost an opportunity to keep quiet. Not even mentioning the bagel and breadstick in the RG final.
Extraordinary season for Djoko: 2nd slam of the year and 8th title (including 4 masters) and there is still half the season left!!! If he continues this way, he could break some serious records...
Djoko is a complete player and he has more potential on clay than Fed. Too bad he's already 24, it's unlikely he will maintain such a form for years on end now but atm he does seem quasi unbeatable.
I'm glad Rafa got a set. He needed that after all those sets in a row lost to Djoko. Next time he'll get more than 1, vamos.
D
Deleted member 77403
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Just watched the highlights again...Got to say, Novak simply just better than Rafa at everything at the moment. Nadal's game just does not hurt him, and I think he enjoys playing Nadal.
First hard courts, then clay courts, now grass courts in Slam finals, and Rafa is even further away from solving this new problem. This is a huge blow to Rafa, and I do think, it will linger with him a lot, and we could see him lose early in many of the events coming up.
He is clearly now a level below Novak. There is a difference between the two this season. This season, when the two best, in their primes meet, it is not a rivalry, it is dominance.
First hard courts, then clay courts, now grass courts in Slam finals, and Rafa is even further away from solving this new problem. This is a huge blow to Rafa, and I do think, it will linger with him a lot, and we could see him lose early in many of the events coming up.
He is clearly now a level below Novak. There is a difference between the two this season. This season, when the two best, in their primes meet, it is not a rivalry, it is dominance.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
You couldn't be more wrong. Rafa will continue trying and he will not desist. I don't know how long it will take but he will find something.
I'll take the bet that he won't lose in early rounds in the next events. I'm sure he won't. This year since IW, only Djoko has beaten him with the exception of Queens.
Rafa lost 2 clay master finals in straight sets to Djoko. If that doesn't stop him from winning RG, losing W in 4 won't stop him from winning the next big event. He will work even harder and will bounce back just fine.
D
Deleted member 77403
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Well, I will stick to what I have said. And you can stick to your thoughts. This is a Wimbledon title, his wimbledon title that he has lost to guy, who has had his number outright this year. And Nadal everytime has gotten further and further away from him.
I agreee with you on one thing, Rafa will keep trying. But, coming straight back after the hammering he took, and dominating is not going to be easy, and we are entering his worst part of the season now. I would like to see him fight, but, he is human, and he has never been outright outclassed like this before.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Yes that is a tough blow I agree because Djoko has now beaten him on all surfaces and slam as well as masters but I still think Rafa will endure and bounce back. If anything, it's gonna motivate him to work harder and as long as he stays #2, he can't face Djoko before a final and Djoko can always have a mishap like he did at RG. Unlike Fed, Rafa has time on his side. He's only just 25 and no one knows how long Djoko can maintain that level.
Outbeyond
Legend
Rafa's devastated right now and probably wants to turn his face from the world for awhile...no question about that. I was thinking about his Uncle Toni, though, ever the practical, realistic one, assuring his beloved and depressed nephew that this turn of events has quite a large silver lining...
Nadal, once again, is in the underdog position, a position he thrived in very well for many years while Roger ruled the roost.
It'll take a bit of time for Rafa to adjust to Djoker as the roost-ruler (Fed, he could reason, was at least older), but after a little time passes and there aren't so many people around asking him the same questions about his abilities and he relaxes in the Mallorcan sea and on the golf course and with his family and friends...well, when that US Open rolls around and he knows he's no longer viewed as Number One, he can start hunting for that Number One again. It's the hunt that intrigues the most...gives him another reason to keep tinkering with things in practice, searching for new strategies, new approaches...
I don't think we'll hear from Rafa for another month or more, but when he comes back I've no doubt he'll be ready to rumble. Once the acceptance sets in, it's a whole new ballgame all over again...
Nadal, once again, is in the underdog position, a position he thrived in very well for many years while Roger ruled the roost.
It'll take a bit of time for Rafa to adjust to Djoker as the roost-ruler (Fed, he could reason, was at least older), but after a little time passes and there aren't so many people around asking him the same questions about his abilities and he relaxes in the Mallorcan sea and on the golf course and with his family and friends...well, when that US Open rolls around and he knows he's no longer viewed as Number One, he can start hunting for that Number One again. It's the hunt that intrigues the most...gives him another reason to keep tinkering with things in practice, searching for new strategies, new approaches...
I don't think we'll hear from Rafa for another month or more, but when he comes back I've no doubt he'll be ready to rumble. Once the acceptance sets in, it's a whole new ballgame all over again...
Atherton2003
Hall of Fame
It is reported Nadal will be out at least 6 weeks with a broken foot. He played with the injury...unbelievable.
Outbeyond
Legend
I wouldn't put too much into this. He needs a medical excuse to get out of any commitments he had with Cincy and the other masters. You can imagine these places don't take kindly to the bigger stars bowing out at the last minute. That said, Nadal needs time to himself and if the foot excuse is convenient, so be it.
Atherton2003
Hall of Fame
He would not bow out of hard court tournaments and have no practice time for US Open if the injury was not legitimate.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
I don't know about that. I think the effort today was not as bad as the two matches they played on clay.
(Now whether that was because Rafa played better or Novak's level dipped more is a matter of opinion, but it is what it is:razz
Fact is, as well as Djokovic played when at his best today, he had enough little lapses here and there that could easily have let Nadal back in the match had he been executing better at the key moments.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
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Gru
New User
Congrats to Novak! What a great half a year. One of the best any tennis player has ever had, if not the best. No matter how it plays out in the second half of the year, the achievement is undeniably going to change him for the rest of his tennis career.
I wish he manages to win US Open and Roland Garros down the road, and even few more Grand Slams, as he definitely deserves it. Just to consistently compete with Federer and Nadal is unimaginable for all the tennis players, but to come on top, is really great for tennis.
I hope that Federer will keep being competitive for few more years, and I hope to see many more matches between 3 of them, and I would even mind some new faces.
Great time for tennis fans!
I wish he manages to win US Open and Roland Garros down the road, and even few more Grand Slams, as he definitely deserves it. Just to consistently compete with Federer and Nadal is unimaginable for all the tennis players, but to come on top, is really great for tennis.
I hope that Federer will keep being competitive for few more years, and I hope to see many more matches between 3 of them, and I would even mind some new faces.
Great time for tennis fans!
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
I don't get depressed. I just miss him especially on the finals day. I hope he can win this just one more time before it's all said and done. Afterall this where it all started for him.
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
yes, I agree with you.
That is why i don't believe it!
I watched the match, all of it. If you did, too, and you honestly believe Nadal was limited in his movement, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree...
(unless his foot produced those crucial FH UEs?)
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1970CRBase
Guest
^^^ ROFL. Only DJ! Kitty also is good humour!
Guess those tight lipped, grim faced Traditionalists are so happy for him, aren't they?
Guess those tight lipped, grim faced Traditionalists are so happy for him, aren't they?
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sdont
Legend
But but... I thought the MRI showed that everything was OK. :roll:
zagor
Bionic Poster
Never claimed Fed is a mental giant but rather that he isn't a mental midget, understand the difference? There are so many levels of mental toughness inbetween being a giant and a midget in that aspect of the game.
Rain delay is just one part of the match, if we examine all the ebbs and flows of any given five setter we could come to all sort of different speculations as to why the match went to the five sets and none of them would change the very fact that the match went to five sets.
So let's set speculation aside(ie it wouldn't have been a five setter if....) and look at facts:
-On the whole Nadal is having a much better year in 2011 than Fed did in 2008.
-Fed came to Wimbledon after a terrible loss in FO final, Nadal came into Wimbledon riding high on confidence from winning the FO title.
-Both of them faced players who were very tough match-ups for them at that moment.
And yet still despite all that Fed put up a considerably better fight than Nadal. I gotta say if Fed's indeed a mental midget, it sure as heck doesn't reflect that good on Nadal.
Yes and you really lost an opportunity to keep quiet before the match rather than boasting about Nadal being the greatest fighter the mankind has ever seen and Fed being a mental midget only to see your hero go down much easily than Fed did in very similar circumstances.
PSNELKE
Legend
"Djoker" at it again :lol: :
He is definately a "over the top" guy but yet he always makes me laugh hard. :lol:
newmark401
Professional
Given the way that Nadal played against Andy Murray in their Wimbledon semi-final, it's difficult to believe that Nadal is injured. Of course, Nadal wasn't injured when Djokovic beat him earlier this year, in Indian Wells, Miami, Rome and Madrid (the latter two victories being on clay and in straight sets).
zagor
Bionic Poster
For me it isn't, Sampras won 2000 Wimbledon on one leg so to speak, Fed won 2003 Wimbledon with a bad back, Murray made it further than ever at FO this year with a bad ankle, Fed almost won 2005 TMC with a still not fully recoverd ankle, Hewitt constantly played through injuries in his career etc. etc.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, he has a tough playing style.
Sarzy
Hall of Fame
"Djoker" at it again :lol: :
Y'know it took me a minute to work out what was wrong with that picture lol.
D
Deleted member 77403
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"Djoker" at it again :lol: :
LOL!!!!!! Only the Joker can get away with that.
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