THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Fantastic! Another Serena victory--against a tough draw...and someone called Sharapova.
Serena vs. Justine, Women's Final
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Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Ready for some player to don the rally cap after losing a set.
federerfanatic
Banned
I said earlier Serena has come back to dominating not due to her own excellence alone but due to the womens field being a chokefest. Today again proves it. Congrats Serena for being on court when another one of the pathetic excuses for top ranked women gave you the title on a silver platter. Women deserving equal prize money, ROTFL!
blinkinrogue
Rookie
wow, justine blew it, she had her chances.... hopefully she will do better this clay season
tennisjunkiela
Semi-Pro
and i love the instant replay!
it clearly showed that serena's gutsy second serve was right on the line so, noone could say that serena beat justine on a bad line call!
Breaker
Legend
Hmm..1 loss, 4 slams and the Year End Championship, ending above the Federer territory in points. How about that?
Baghdatis72
Hall of Fame
Hmm very nice final for the WCA (Womens Choking Association).
There should be special anti choking training for the professional tennis players imo. Then the tennis entertainment would be better and chokefests would disappear.
There should be special anti choking training for the professional tennis players imo. Then the tennis entertainment would be better and chokefests would disappear.
The Grand Slam
Hall of Fame
Reminds me of Sharapova/Williams at the AO when Sharapova had triple match point at 40-0 on her own serve but Williams somehow found a way to win...
federerfanatic
Banned
Todays womens field is the most PATHETIC in history. Thank goodness for Serena. Sure she is super lucky to be a great player who is taking advantage of this pathetic field of choking queens, but atleast she has gotten herself together again and has realized "hey the rest of these girls suck so lets get back and take advantage of these choking losers and pile up some titles." Thank goodness for the one women who is a champion player and not a choking queen like the rest are. We are realizing how pathetic the womens field was while she was absent now.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Hey fanatic, i have been stressing over it.I was so pissed when it went to a 3rd set.Henin was holding her own in the first 2 sets yet i still felt something was gonna happen.The WTA is indeed a chokefest!
federerfanatic
Banned
I agree, I am so sick of all the choking. Why in the hell does anybody watch the WTA anymore? I dont know why I wasted my time watching the match at all, I dont care who wins, I just want the damn choking to stop. Womens tennis SUCKSSSSSS!!!!
Slazenger
Professional
LOL. If anyone can do it, it's Serena.
Objective Danny
Hall of Fame
She can't attain the top ranking, she's a part time player.
wildbill88AA
Banned
yes, when every player in the wta is going to just hand her the match. that was some fuuuggggggly tennis.
bring on the men.
wildbill88AA
Banned
How is it that since the begging of the AO, everytime Serena wins its because someone has choked? It may be possible that she is just better at raising her game at the right moments. Everyone cant possibly be choking, including the number 1 and 2 players in the world. Henin benifited from the absence of Serena and Venus during their primes anyways.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Lol at people saying Justine Henin just choked. These 2 players are the most mentally tough players on the women's tour. Sure there are some chokers out there but Serena was relentless and I believe Henin ran out of gas chasing balls all day. Serena had the big serve when it was needed.
jjames
Banned
did you watch the match?
Mick
Legend
haha on the men's side, everybody choked when they played canas. Ljubicic said all canas did was push the ball back but nobody could do anything about it.
wildbill88AA
Banned
this match was an extreme choke, and by maybe the best since graf. serena played horribly. henin just let her back in, time and time again. even on the last game henin gave up a 40-0 love lead.
if justine were a teenager, it might be different. but a 5 time gs champ, and current #1? eeeeeeeeeee.
and canas was just fearless, and played his best ever. serena was horrible.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Mick, plzzz, dont compared the men's game with the women, the so called number 1 player and number 2 player stunk on this tournament.The WTA is full of chokers, nuff said!
Nadal_Freak
Banned
They are not chokers. They are just not as talented for obvious reasons. They can't rely on their serve as much as the men do. Men are usually more competitive than women as well. Please give it a rest with women are chokers comments.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Nadal freak, 40-15 at 5-4 for the match, what do u call that?Plzzz, dont come up with excuses for the women's players.Henin was on cruise control against Serena Williams the first half of the match, she played better then Serena but didnt close the match, thats choking, c.h.o.k.i.n.g!Obviously u havent watch alot of ladies's matches!
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Like I said they can't rely on their serve like men do. Especially Henin who is very average on her serve and Serena is a great returner. In baseline battles it is very easy for the momentum to change in a match. During the clay court season when men can't rely on their serves as much you will see many swings of momentum. I'll ask you once again lay off the women as being chokers.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Stop trying to spin it.U are a Serena fan, arent u, even if ur not, its a choke.Henin was the dictator of the match until she blew it and her mind went down.
wildbill88AA
Banned
if this wasn't a choke, there's never been one. if justine keeps the pressure on, its a 6-0, 6-2 score at least.
looked more like a tank.
i guess serena has em all scared. maybe she theatened her in the locker room.
looked more like a tank.
i guess serena has em all scared. maybe she theatened her in the locker room.
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Nadal_Freak
Banned
If we went by your logic everyone chokes against Serena. It's not like Justine Henin was dictating the match. Serena was hit or miss and finally she was hitting and got it just in time. Henin's level dropped a bit but Henin was playing at a level she usually doesn't play anyways.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Yes, she was dictating the match, what where u watching?Her pace was giving Serena problems.Thats why she was mishitting alot of shots.Not to mention she was hitting winners as well.She was moving Serena from side to side.
wildbill88AA
Banned
wta is like junior college tennis. full of chokes.
serena is an intimidator, so she benefits a lot from the chokers.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
What match were you watching? Henin was putting on some pace but Serena was the one making the unforced errors at a much higher rate than Henin. Serena was missing a lot at the beginning of the match. Serena found a happy medium where she wasn't going for broke but she was still putting pressure on Henin. Serena was controlling 2/3 of the match.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Plz, Henin ended up with 103 points compared to Serena's 99.The bottom line is that Henin had the match in her racquet and she blew it!
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Yeah anyone not as skilled as the atp players are chokers.
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Deleted member 6835
Guest
what AO was this? Serena won 6-1 6-2... how could shriekapova have a match point?
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Deleted member 6835
Guest
Yeah anyone not as skilled as the atp players are chokers.
thats basically what most people in this thread are saying, lol...
even if it was a choke, it showed great heart in the match (especially from Williams) which is what made it fun to watch.
look at the flip side of the coin: maybe it wasnt a choke, but it was determination....
Henin choked, pretty easy to see if you go back and watch the match. She's up 40-15 and 5-4 and Serena hits a netcord on the return! Justine ends up losing the point and on the next point Justine eased up on a very easy forehand and Serena ended up winning that point. Justine just flat out choked and a big booooo to whoever the idiot was that screamed during Justines first serve at 40-15. That was classless.
Justine is easily the better player, Serena had to start serve and volleying because Justine was tooling her from the baseline. Serena also started to go into pusher mode for a few games because Justine was dictating and mixing up her shots. If they meet again and Justine doesn't choke it will be game, set, and match Henin.
Justine is easily the better player, Serena had to start serve and volleying because Justine was tooling her from the baseline. Serena also started to go into pusher mode for a few games because Justine was dictating and mixing up her shots. If they meet again and Justine doesn't choke it will be game, set, and match Henin.
ufgatorkid
Rookie
She didn't have triple match point. She had three isolated match points.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Justine is not better than Serena. She can only hope Serena is nervous and making a lot of unforced errors. When Serena is on nobody in the WTA can beat her.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Justine can flat out play with Serena, its obvious.The problem is mentality.Nadal freak ur a fanboy!!!!Of course she can win, these players have no backbone!!If they do, we would have competitive matches!
You clearly don't understand tennis. Serena couldn't be ON against Justine for the simple fact that Justine makes Serena routinely hit balls out of the strike zone. She does it by hitting heavy spin and slice once in a while. If some other WTA players could hit a heavy ball instead of all that flat garbage they might actually stand a chance against Serena. Serena had to start hitting with more spin so she wouldn't make so many mistakes against Justine. Go back and watch the match, you'll see it.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
I saw it. There is no shot out there that Serena can't handle. I'm sure though that it was tougher for her to handle that than the flat shots from Sharapova but Serena is the best player in the WTA. Her only problem is the lack of conditioning occasionally or the surface is too slow. Henin would only be the favorite on clay.
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Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
If Henin woulda brought it like she did w/Petrova, her game and this match coulda been epic. Instead it was just dramatic.
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tennisjunkiela
Semi-Pro
justine the better player???
justine loses 6 times out 9 times to serena and she's the better player???
justine has only beaten serena on clay and yet, serena has beaten justine on clay, hard courts and grass - and justine is the better player???
i guess justine is better than venus too??? even though justine has lost to venus 9 times and has only beaten venus once.
don't get me wrong - i like justine (she packs a big game to be such a small player) but your contention that she is better than serena (or even venus) is ridiculous!!!!
serena's results speak for themself - 8 grand slam single titles and 16 overall grand slams!
Slazenger
Professional
Pls don't try and reason with these guys. They don't really follow the WTA anyways. They are just blinded by Justine's (absolutely incredible) one hander and topspin forehand.
Serena IS a better player than Justine. The results don't lie.
Go and watch the Rome 2002 final on clay btw Serena and Justine. It is a perfect example.
Serena has NO PROBLEM with Justine's topspin. And this was on slow clay. It was a close match, but the gap widens on hard courts and even more on grass.
Like you said, Justine has only beaten Serena on clay, but Serena has beaten her on CLAY, GRASS, and HARDCOURTS!!!
With Venus it is even worse, but that's for another day.
breakfast_of_champions
Banned
serena was pitiful, henin was pitiful, and proof the wta is a joke. the only brightspot in this match was henin's one brillant set. the rest of the match is an embarassment as to how weak, mentally anyway, the wta is. strong junior college players would school these women.
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ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Serena is the better player mentality wise.Justine can play with Serena any day of the week if she just knew how to close.It should be 5-4 but instead its 6-3
Slazenger
Professional
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