The most dominant HTH records vs a player that won a slam title.

Red Rick

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I don't think Slam H2Hs are irrelevant, but I think they're a subject for another thread. Especially matchups with a big disparity between them could be quite interesting.
 
Pheasant

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Red Rick said:
Safin-Federer 10-2
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This one used to surprise me, since Safin played slam champions quite tough during his peak years. It still surprises me to some extent, given how tough Safin has played former #1 players(that also won a slam title).

Granted, Safin has an age advantage during some of these match ups. But he was:

4-3 vs Sampras
3-3 vs Agassi
3-4 vs Roddick
7-7 vs Hewitt

Safin played .500 ball against these players. That's pretty impressive.
 
abmk

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maratha_warrior said:
Fed has also lost to Safin, Soderling, Berdych, Delpotro, tsonga, Cilic, Murray, Anderson, Stan in slams ;)
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slam losses to non-ATGs in best 6 year period :

Federer (04-09) : Kuerten, Safin, delpo
Djokovic (11-16) : Murray, Murray, Stan, Nishikori, Stan,Querrey, Stan

we're not talking here about Chung or Cecchinato losses for Djokovic or for that matter Kohlschreiber or Melzer.
 
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maratha_warrior

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abmk said:
slam losses to non-ATGs in best 6 year period :

Federer (04-09) : Kuerten, Safin, delpo
Djokovic (11-16) : Murray, Murray, Stan, Nishikori, Stan,Querrey, Stan

we're not talking about Chung or Cecchinato losses for Djokovic or for that matter Kohlschreiber or Melzer.
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I am not talking about best peak or prime age.. I just wanted to say one point , tennis is a game of match ups sometimes..

Novak gets beaten by Stan, who gets beaten by Fed easily.
Del Potro gets beaten by fed, who gets beaten by Djokovic easily..
There are some players to whom Djoker can't lose to when in form like Anderson Cilic Delpotro..
And then same Fed can't lose to some players when in form like Stan Murray..
 
BGod

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I'd look at 6+ Slam groups.

Ivan Lendl 22-12 against Jimmy Connots, both with 8 Slams
Becker 6-0 Connors
Lendl 15-7 Wilander but only 5-4 in Slams


And for jokes I like Rafter 3-0 Federer.
 
abmk

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maratha_warrior said:
I am not talking about best peak or prime age.. I just wanted to say one point , tennis is a game of match ups sometimes..

Novak gets beaten by Stan, who gets beaten by Fed easily.
Del Potro gets beaten by fed, who gets beaten by Djokovic easily..
There are some players to whom Djoker can't lose to when in form like Anderson Cilic Delpotro..
And then same Fed can't lose to some players when in form like Stan Murray..
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yeah, but it isn't only about matchups.
djokovic in his 6 best years wasn't as good as fed in his 6 best years. That's the reality.
There are losses like the ones to Querrey and Nishikori as well. And also 3 losses to Stan !?

As far as your statements go,

Fed is 9-1 vs Cilic, only loss was that USO one where Cilic was in the form of his life and federer wasn't in-form. Djokovic probably matches up slightly better (again taking into consideration that this is older fed), but fed is still more than good enough to beat Cilic when playing some good tennis.

Fed is 5-1 vs Anderson. Apart from Wimbledon last year, Anderson was straight-setted in every one of them and hasn't even got to a breaker vs him in the other 5 matches. loss at Wimbledon was only due to with federer being hampered due to hand injury and playing cr*p. Federer won't come remotely close to losing to Anderson when in good form.

Delpo is the one where Djokovic has the matchup edge, but its not a big one. 15-4 for Djokovic to 18-7 for fed with a higher% of matches being in djokovic's prime.

Also, Djokovic was playing some good tennis in IW 13, Oly 16 when he lost to delpo.
delpo was tired after the marathon vs fed at Oly 12, but still beat Djoko in straight sets in the Bronze medal match.
 
mike danny

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maratha_warrior said:
I am not talking about best peak or prime age.. I just wanted to say one point , tennis is a game of match ups sometimes..

Novak gets beaten by Stan, who gets beaten by Fed easily.
Del Potro gets beaten by fed, who gets beaten by Djokovic easily..
There are some players to whom Djoker can't lose to when in form like Anderson Cilic Delpotro..
And then same Fed can't lose to some players when in form like Stan Murray..
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But that's the point of the discussion. We wouldn't begrudge Novak if he had all those losses only pre 2011 and post 2016. Novak lost those matches while in his very prime, which is why he is far behind 20 slams.
 
mike danny

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maratha_warrior said:
I am not talking about best peak or prime age.. I just wanted to say one point , tennis is a game of match ups sometimes..

Novak gets beaten by Stan, who gets beaten by Fed easily.
Del Potro gets beaten by fed, who gets beaten by Djokovic easily..
There are some players to whom Djoker can't lose to when in form like Anderson Cilic Delpotro..
And then same Fed can't lose to some players when in form like Stan Murray..
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And I wouldn't say Delpo gets beaten by Djokovic easily. Remember Wimb 2013, which lowered his chances for the title. Fed never had such a slam match with Stan.
 
Pheasant

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Another shocker for me is Becker's 25-10 record vs Edberg. That is amazing. Both players won 6 slam titles. Of course, Becker was a heavyweight against top-10 players. Becker's 121-65, .6505 mark against the top-10 is the 6th best record in the Open Era. That's ahead of Sampras, McEnroe, Murray, and Agassi.
 
Lew II

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abmk said:
yeah, but it isn't only about matchups.
djokovic in his 6 best years wasn't as good as fed in his 6 best years. That's the reality.
There are losses like the ones to Querrey and Nishikori as well. And also 3 losses to Stan !?
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Djokovic beat peak Big4 to win slams and tons of yec/masters, not Roddick and Hewitt.
 
maratha_warrior

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mike danny said:
And I wouldn't say Delpo gets beaten by Djokovic easily. Remember Wimb 2013, which lowered his chances for the title. Fed never had such a slam match with Stan.
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Delpo 2013 Wimbledon match is mirror image match of Tommy Haas Vs fed RG 2009..
Delpo played d match of his life n still lost ,same with Haas ..
In other slam matches Delpo always got destroyed by Djoker .
 
King No1e

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tennisaddict said:
At least he didnt end up with 5-9 h2h to Nadal coupled with 2 losses each to Stan and 2 to Murray.

Losing to Nadal is the last thing that hurts out of all Fed losses in majors
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18-8 in Grand Slams against two of the greatest players of all time. That is just impressive.
Nadal has to be the greatest big match player in history, except maybe the one and only Laver.
 
King No1e

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tennisaddict said:
Where did i get out of the h2h ? I said it is honorable to lose to Nadal than against Stan/Murray. It does not matter to me what their prior h2h is . I look at each match individually.
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What's not honorable in losing to Murray? Murray is an ATG in his own right; he has 3 Slams, a year at #1, 2 Olympic gold, and a YEC.

Either way Djokovic dominates Murray. He's like 25-10 in H2H. That's the most one-sided H2H out of any in the Big 4. Even Fedal isn't that one-sided.
 
tennisaddict

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King No1e said:
What's not honorable in losing to Murray? Murray is an ATG in his own right; he has 3 Slams, a year at #1, 2 Olympic gold, and a YEC.

Either way Djokovic dominates Murray. He's like 25-10 in H2H. That's the most one-sided H2H out of any in the Big 4. Even Fedal isn't that one-sided.
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If Novak was stingy like Federer was to lesser opponents, Murray/Stan would have the lone major and Novak himself more closer to Fedal.
 
mike danny

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maratha_warrior said:
Delpo 2013 Wimbledon match is mirror image match of Tommy Haas Vs fed RG 2009..
Delpo played d match of his life n still lost ,same with Haas ..
In other slam matches Delpo always got destroyed by Djoker .
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Haas match wasn't as grueling as the Delpo match though.
 
Phoenix1983

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Pheasant said:
Another shocker for me is Becker's 25-10 record vs Edberg. That is amazing. Both players won 6 slam titles. Of course, Becker was a heavyweight against top-10 players. Becker's 121-65, .6505 mark against the top-10 is the 6th best record in the Open Era. That's ahead of Sampras, McEnroe, Murray, and Agassi.
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I was going to mention this one.

Of course, this H2H is even more bizarre because Edberg won most of their biggest matches (1988 and 1990 Wimbledon finals, 1989 YEC final, 1989 French Open semi-final)
 
Druss

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Pheasant said:
This one used to surprise me, since Safin played slam champions quite tough during his peak years. It still surprises me to some extent, given how tough Safin has played former #1 players(that also won a slam title).

Granted, Safin has an age advantage during some of these match ups. But he was:

4-3 vs Sampras
3-3 vs Agassi
3-4 vs Roddick
7-7 vs Hewitt

Safin played .500 ball against these players. That's pretty impressive.
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The 10-2 h2h Fed-Safin always baffled me. I know Federer is/was the better player, but peak for peak was not that much better to win 80%+ of matches. Perhaps many of their matches were played when Safin was 'off', which was more often than not.
 
Pheasant

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Druss said:
The 10-2 h2h Fed-Safin always baffled me. I know Federer is/was the better player, but peak for peak was not that much better to win 80%+ of matches. Perhaps many of their matches were played when Safin was 'off', which was more often than not.
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Fed's 31-5 record vs Roddick+Safin was insane, any way that we slice it. Safin seems like Soderling type of player. Soderling's problem is that he peaked on the wrong surface(clay). Safin played at a peak-level slightly more often than Soderling. But those two remind me of each other.
 
tennisaddict

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Pheasant said:
Fed's 31-5 record vs Roddick+Safin was insane, any way that we slice it. Safin seems like Soderling type of player. Soderling's problem is that he peaked on the wrong surface(clay). Safin played at a peak-level slightly more often than Soderling. But those two remind me of each other.
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Safin is a different level than Soderling . Safin easily better than Stan and I would put him slightly less than Courier.
 
Druss

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Pheasant said:
Fed's 31-5 record vs Roddick+Safin was insane, any way that we slice it. Safin seems like Soderling type of player. Soderling's problem is that he peaked on the wrong surface(clay). Safin played at a peak-level slightly more often than Soderling. But those two remind me of each other.
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Safin was a much better player than Soderling in every department except the FH.
 
Pheasant

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Druss said:
Safin was a much better player than Soderling in every department except the FH.
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I was giving Soderling way too much credit, due to him getting mono and the fact that he had a couple of insane matches on clay. Safin was far better. I stand corrected.

I feel bad for what happened to Soderling.
 
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