The Nadal comeback : 2010, 2013,2016

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
We are in the middle of yet another Nadal comeback and it has to be noted that the similarities between these comebacks are quite striking except that this one took a while longer than expected (but was never in doubt). All this while when some of us said it is only confidence that Nadal lacks and nothing else, people vehemently tried to deny it attributing it to decline, injury, loss of stamina etc saying 'this time is different'. So FWIW, here is the regular pattern, in case anyone has missed it. It is all about confidence and nothing else.

The 2010 comeback :
RG shock by Soderling in 2009-
Took several months to recover from that loss, skipping Wimbledon.
Various injury rumors from knee to stomach muscle tear.
Played poorly for the rest of the year (didn't win a single match at the WTF).
Many said he was done.

Once the clay season began, things suddenly started falling in place and his confidence was back. Fed,Murray,Djoker being in a slump helped a bit and he made the most of it and went from strength to strength sweeping the clay season, Wimbledon and USO.

The 2013 comeback :
Shock Wimbledon 2012 loss to Rosol in R2
Vague unconfirmed reports of knee injury etc
Sat out for the rest of the year including Olympics and then AO 2013.
Many said they'll believe he'll come back to the tour only when he enters a tournament.

Started slow on the 2013 SA clay , began notching up wins and picking up confidence. Was vulnerable due to lack of confidence in the initial stages, but there weren't too many players that could take advantage. Had some things falling into place with the draws and schedules and went on to win IW and Miami. Once he got on a roll, there was no stopping him and beast mode was unlocked. He outlasted Djokovic in the 5 set RG SF marathon even as his opponent had run out of stamina in the fifth set. With that momentum he went to sweep the summer HC season including the USO.

The 2016 comeback:
Shock loss to Wawrinka at AO '14
Losing to all and sundry on all surfaces, even clay
All time career lows losing to Fog after being two sets up at USO'15
Media and fans routinely talk of injury though 2015 is his only known injury-free year on record.
Most people said he is Finnish and there is an age related decline in his movement and stamina.
Tries to put together a string of good wins but is stopped by Djokovic on a couple of occasions.
Wins MC ceasing the opportunity after Djoker makes an early exit, with good wins over Stan,Murray,Monf
Wins Barcelona.

No stamina issues, no decline in movement now that his confidence is back. Looks invincible against everyone (but Djoker, since they haven't met on clay). They say the serve is a problem, but is already showing signs of improvement in Barcelona.

It will be fascinating to see what he goes on to do this clay season , if he will raise his level enough to beat Djoker with his new found confidence and if it will all culminate in RG #10 now that his clay aura is back. The next few weeks will tell.

(And can RG #10 propel him to something at Wimbledon this year ? I'm sounding like bullzie aka tennis commentator with that, but it is something to think about)
 
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Krish872007

Talk Tennis Guru
This comeback is taking a very different form to the previous two that you've outlined.

The 2010 "comeback" was completely expected - he was 24 years old and in the prime of his career.
2013 was an interesting one - we weren't sure about the situation with the knees but everything did sort itself out and he started off in great style. Had a very aggressive mindset and played very well on hard courts by dictating with the forehand. He was still 26/27.

This time, he'll be 30 in June. He has shown some very encouraging signs on clay which makes me think he's primed for a great run at RG - the only concern is depth/consistency. He's still missing a fair number of shots compared to 2013 or 2010, especially off the FH wing. What does seem to have returned is the great play on BIG points.
My view is that Nadal is somewhere near his 2014 level on clay. Nothing outstanding on hard courts so far this year except for that 1st set against Djokovic in Indian Wells, but it's still early days.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
This comeback is taking a very different form to the previous two that you've outlined.

The 2010 "comeback" was completely expected - he was 24 years old and in the prime of his career.
2013 was an interesting one - we weren't sure about the situation with the knees but everything did sort itself out and he started off in great style. Had a very aggressive mindset and played very well on hard courts by dictating with the forehand. He was still 26/27.

This time, he'll be 30 in June. He has shown some very encouraging signs on clay which makes me think he's primed for a great run at RG - the only concern is depth/consistency. He's still missing a fair number of shots compared to 2013 or 2010, especially off the FH wing. What does seem to have returned is the great play on BIG points.
My view is that Nadal is somewhere near his 2014 level on clay. Nothing outstanding on hard courts so far this year except for that 1st set against Djokovic in Indian Wells, but it's still early days.

I think his serve is the main worry, I think it will let him down against Djokovic - though it was good in the big points against Nishikori he's winning so few points on his second serve nowadays that he's still got work to do.
 

LazyNinja19

Banned
LMFAO. The pro-jinxers are at it again.

Rafa has only won a 500 & Masters. Chill boyo!


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octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
We are in the middle of yet another Nadal comeback and it has to be noted that the similarities between these comebacks are quite striking except that this one took a while longer than expected (but was never in doubt). All this while when some of us said it is only confidence that Nadal lacks and nothing else, people vehemently tried to deny it attributing it to decline, injury, loss of stamina etc saying 'this time is different'. So FWIW, here is the regular pattern, in case anyone has missed it. It is all about confidence and nothing else.

The 2010 comeback :
RG shock by Soderling in 2009-
Took several months to recover from that loss, skipping Wimbledon.
Various injury rumors from knee to stomach muscle tear.
Played poorly for the rest of the year (didn't win a single match at the WTF).
Many said he was done.

Once the clay season began, things suddenly started falling in place and his confidence was back. Fed,Murray,Djoker being in a slump helped a bit and he made the most of it and went from strength to strength sweeping the clay season, Wimbledon and USO.

The 2013 comeback :
Shock Wimbledon 2012 loss to Rosol in R2
Vague unconfirmed reports of knee injury etc
Sat out for the rest of the year including Olympics and then AO 2013.
Many said they'll believe he'll come back to the tour only when he enters a tournament.

Started slow on the 2013 SA clay , began notching up wins and picking up confidence. Was vulnerable due to lack of confidence in the initial stages, but there weren't too many players that could take advantage. Had some things falling into place with the draws and schedules and went on to win IW and Miami. Once he got on a roll, there was no stopping him and beast mode was unlocked. He outlasted Djokovic in the 5 set RG SF marathon even as his opponent had run out of stamina in the fifth set. With that momentum he went to sweep the summer HC season including the USO.

The 2016 comeback:
Shock loss to Wawrinka at AO '14
Losing to all and sundry on all surfaces, even clay
All time career lows losing to Fog after being two sets up at USO'15
Media and fans routinely talk of injury though 2015 is his only known injury-free year on record.
Most people said he is Finnish and there is an age related decline in his movement and stamina.
Tries to put together a string of good wins but is stopped by Djokovic on a couple of occasions.
Wins MC ceasing the opportunity after Djoker makes an early exit, with good wins over Stan,Murray,Monf
Wins Barcelona.

No stamina issues, no decline in movement now that his confidence is back. Looks invincible against everyone (but Djoker, since they haven't met on clay). They say the serve is a problem, but is already showing signs of improvement in Barcelona.

It will be fascinating to see what he goes on to do this clay season , if he will raise his level enough to beat Djoker with his new found confidence and if it will all culminate in RG #10 now that his clay aura is back. The next few weeks will tell.

(And can RG #10 propel him to something at Wimbledon this year ? I'm sounding like bullzie aka tennis commentator with that, but it is something to think about)

Your post lacks facts.

2009/2010:
Facts: Rafa skipped the 2009 Wimbledon due to tendonitis/tendinitis in his knees. He recovered from it thanks to PRP treatment in 2010 (April & July).
At the 2009 US Open, Rafa had a right abdominal muscle injury (he got injured in Cincinnati and the tear was getting worse at the US Open).

2012/2013:
Facts: Rafa was diagnosed with Hoffa’s syndrome in the middle of 2012 and he suffered with it until he underwent stem cell treatment at the end of 2013. He was playing through the pain in 2013.

2014/2015/2016:
Facts: Rafa injured his back during the warm-up of the 2014 AO final and he was suffering from that injury (facet syndrome) all year round. He underwent stem cell treatment at the end of 2014. In July, he injured his wrist and at the beginning of November, he underwent appendix surgery.

Rafa and U.Toni have explained several times that Rafa lost confidence due to injuries & health issues in 2014. An excerpt from U.Toni's interview with COP, a radio network in Spain, in December 2015 [translated by @genny]:
"Getting injured in the AO 2014 final was a big blow. When he recovered, the wrist issue happened and then appendicitis when he was trying to come back. All this caused him a huge stress and lack of confidence in his body. He was going on court without knowing/trusting what his body would do."
 

Adv. Edberg

Legend
Problem now is that he's too old for a comeback like that of 2013. He can still get to top 4 this year which would itself be a big success. But he won't win any majors :/
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Lets put it like this, after hitting rock bottom, you can only go up. The beating in Doha at the hands of Djokovic and the 1st round AO loss to Verdasco was rock bottom. He has been making great progress since, would have won IW if not for Djokovic. Looking good on clay again, has that swagger and belief and is certainly a serious contender for RG regardless of Djokovic. And yes, if he wins RG, he will be omnious threat at the upcoming big events, especially USO, but I think he might have a point to prove at W also...depends if he continues to win and keep going forward. He looks very good atm, and for me is the second best player in the world currently on form.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I think we have to wait until Rafa plays Djoker to truly assess his form. Beating a rusty Muzz in MC or Kei is a great sign and Rafa's form has definitely improved. I don't expect Djoker to beat Rafa (if they meet) in Madrid 6-1, 6-2, as he has been doing. But I still don't expect Rafa to defeat Djoker. If he gets a set, then he's on his way truly. If he BEATS him, then he's officially BACK.
 

123456789

Professional
Vamos. I think Nadal has the ability to beat Djokovic in three tight sets in Madrid or Rome. On hard court, Nadal has the ability to take a set, but would probably not beat Djokovic. Still a step forward, nonetheless.

Nadal just has to beat Djokovic once, and then he would have unlimited confidence and it would change the tennis landscape on all surfaces.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Nadal just has to beat Djokovic once, and then he would have unlimited confidence and it would change the tennis landscape on all surfaces.

Absolutely. If he catches Djoker on a bad day and sneaks out a win, that will make Nadal actually play better and win on his terms in future meetings.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I think his serve is the main worry, I think it will let him down against Djokovic - though it was good in the big points against Nishikori he's winning so few points on his second serve nowadays that he's still got work to do.
I agree, but it came up 1% in the last week and was only 2% higher in 2014. But the serve has to get better for him to win RG again.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Vamos. I think Nadal has the ability to beat Djokovic in three tight sets in Madrid or Rome. On hard court, Nadal has the ability to take a set, but would probably not beat Djokovic. Still a step forward, nonetheless.

Nadal just has to beat Djokovic once, and then he would have unlimited confidence and it would change the tennis landscape on all surfaces.
Not grass IMO. He is not getting away standing 2m behind the baseline and with that serve of his on grass.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You do realise that Nadal-camp statements constitute claims to be tested by facts and not facts themselves?

Your post lacks facts.

2009/2010:
Facts: Rafa skipped the 2009 Wimbledon due to tendonitis/tendinitis in his knees. He recovered from it thanks to PRP treatment in 2010 (April & July).
At the 2009 US Open, Rafa had a right abdominal muscle injury (he got injured in Cincinnati and the tear was getting worse at the US Open).

2012/2013:
Facts: Rafa was diagnosed with Hoffa’s syndrome in the middle of 2012 and he suffered with it until he underwent stem cell treatment at the end of 2013. He was playing through the pain in 2013.

2014/2015/2016:
Facts: Rafa injured his back during the warm-up of the 2014 AO final and he was suffering from that injury (facet syndrome) all year round. He underwent stem cell treatment at the end of 2014. In July, he injured his wrist and at the beginning of November, he underwent appendix surgery.

Rafa and U.Toni have explained several times that Rafa lost confidence due to injuries & health issues in 2014. An excerpt from U.Toni's interview with COP, a radio network in Spain, in December 2015 [translated by @genny]:
"Getting injured in the AO 2014 final was a big blow. When he recovered, the wrist issue happened and then appendicitis when he was trying to come back. All this caused him a huge stress and lack of confidence in his body. He was going on court without knowing/trusting what his body would do."
 

Dave1982

Professional
There's no doubt Nadal is playing much better and more confident tennis to what he was earlier in the year and it's been great to see him winning back to back titles, especially at tournaments where he has such great history.

For me the real test will come at Rome, Madrid results are somewhat irrelevant in regards to French Open form due to higher altitude and courts playing quite differently to those at RG. Between the 2 of them they've won the last 11 Italian Opens and it's here that I'll think we'll get a much more accurate indication of Nadal's French Open chances.
 
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