Wouldn't TC100 be better for a baseliner, if that's the case?
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haqq777
Legend
Yep, I played with TC100 (63RA) for multiple years as my main stick. Stil have a few of those in collection. It's a better comfort and controlled Pure Drive. Lots of put away power on tap. I chose to switch to TC97 18x20 personally because I wanted to switch it up. And TC97 18x20 has a lot more control. It doesn't have the authoritative prowess of TC100 in stock form, but makes up for it in control department.
Faris
Professional
This. Great feedback. I agree 100%.
I took some measurements with my digital calipher (3/9 h and 12/6h, linear distance), and measured circunference in some of my racquets. Those are the results (no replacement grip):
Angell L3 B
Circ. 102 mm
3/9h 32,20 mm
12/6h 27,50 mm
Angell L3 C
Circ. 102 mm
3/9h 31,10 mm
12/6h 28,65 mm
Dunlop Nt Tour L3
Circ. 103 mm
3/9h 32,10 mm
12/6h 28,6 mm
Artengo L3
Circ. 101 mm
3/9h 31,75 mm
12/6h 27,45 mm
Prince L3
Circ. 101 mm
3/9h 30,90 mm
12/6h 28,90 mm
So definitely not a square, and Prince is even a little more equidistant, in this case.
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Would TC100 18x20 provide similar level of control to TC97 18x20 but still retain that power?
haqq777
Legend
Not sure but I would definitely buy one in a heartbeat to see if it does. But sadly they do not make TC100 in 18x20. I am using Speed Pros (18x20 in 100 sq inch with 8 mains in throat) these days just for kicks and loving them. Also liked TT100P which is a 6 main 18x20 in 100 square inch. So I have a feeling I would love the TC100 in 18x20 as well.
topspn
Legend
I would have also loved a TC100 16x19 with 8 mains in the throat
BBender716
Professional
Been loving my 95 16x19. Tried a VCore 97 and it just wasn't the same.
Now I'm anxious to give a K7 Lime a try. On the hunt for a used one on the bay or in the Classifieds here. Crossing my fingers!
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Now I'm anxious to give a K7 Lime a try. On the hunt for a used one on the bay or in the Classifieds here. Crossing my fingers!
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There appears to have more options nowadays for 100 sq inch 18x20:
- Prince TT100P
- Head Speed Pro
- Head Gravity Tour or Pro
Curious what your takes are on them. Gravity seems like the most promising of the bunch.
haqq777
Legend
Yes, there are a few 100 sq inch head sizes with 18x20 string pattern in market right now. Prince released one in the Phantom line recently as well (Pro 100 18x20) which I think is great too. That one plays the softest of any 100 inch 18x20 I have ever played - which offcourse is to be expected from the Phantom line.
I own a bunch of the Speed Pros and played with TT100P for one summer as well. The TT100P was the 2015 release. I haven't played with the latest 2019 version but I hear they made it a bit stiffer. In general, the TT100P is open pattern 18x20 in a 100 sq inch. And with Speed Pros, you will find a tighter and more denser 18x20. The GXT version is tighter than the current version and plays stiffer. For the string pattern, Speed Pros in general are tight 18x20. The TT100P is six main in throat and Speed Pros are 8 mains in throat. I quite like both and enjoy playing with either.
I heard initially there was a rumor that Gravity in the 18x20 was going to be basically the same mold as HEAD's previous YT IG Speed but there was no truth to it. Some posters here mentioned that Gravity is a different frame altogether. I will have to get one and try. I do know that IG Speed was a great frame.
Thanks for the great write-up, much appreciated! Have you also tried K7 Lime? Not 100 sq in but probably the biggest head size 18x20 from Angell.
topspn
Legend
Nope never experienced that on my AngellsI'm feeling strange handle/pallet movement/creaks during these warm summer days when hands are moisture (TC100s). And I do not like it.
Do you have same issues as well?
Two part question (I'm sure it's been answered before, but I'm only halfway thru the thread).
1. Can pallets be replaced if they are different grip sizes, not just shapes. Can I take a racket from an L2 to an L4?
2. How do you request replacement pallets. I don't see them available for normal purchase on angell's website. Do you just you the contact feature on the website and ask for them and then they custom bill?
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1. Can pallets be replaced if they are different grip sizes, not just shapes. Can I take a racket from an L2 to an L4?
2. How do you request replacement pallets. I don't see them available for normal purchase on angell's website. Do you just you the contact feature on the website and ask for them and then they custom bill?
Thanks
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
No such thing
haqq777
Legend
Yes, I own a Lime as well. Wrote this when I got mine early January. Has all specs and details etc. Might interest you
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...gell-users-club.549091/page-377#post-13003982
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Yes the bare harpins are the same, the pallet is what determines the grip shape and size. You have to contact Angell but they will complain and moan about selling you replacement pallets if you didn't buy the racquet new. Once you take a pallet off and restaple it a few times it falls apart and becomes trash, they are cheap brittle foam so order a few extras if you're going to experiment.
haedulus
New User
Hey guys!
I was already mailing with Paul and we agreed that the TC100 63RA would be the best choice for me. However, I forgot to ask him about the grip shape. Since he hasn't been replying for the last 2 days and I can't wait to finally order my first Angell racket, I thought I would post my question here:
Right now I'm using a Yonex grip size 3. What's the closest Angell grip shape to that? Shape B or C? And size 3? Yonex isn't listed on the F.A.Q on their homepage and using the search function in this thread I found some people saying B and some people saying C is the closest shape to Yonex.
Can someone help me out here? Or are the maybe some photos of the B & C grip shape availible for comparison.
Thank you very much in advance.
I was already mailing with Paul and we agreed that the TC100 63RA would be the best choice for me. However, I forgot to ask him about the grip shape. Since he hasn't been replying for the last 2 days and I can't wait to finally order my first Angell racket, I thought I would post my question here:
Right now I'm using a Yonex grip size 3. What's the closest Angell grip shape to that? Shape B or C? And size 3? Yonex isn't listed on the F.A.Q on their homepage and using the search function in this thread I found some people saying B and some people saying C is the closest shape to Yonex.
Can someone help me out here? Or are the maybe some photos of the B & C grip shape availible for comparison.
Thank you very much in advance.
Thanks. Sounds like an even toss-up when it comes to groundies. How was service and touch (drop/lop) for you?Yes, I own a Lime as well. Wrote this when I got mine early January. Has all specs and details etc. Might interest you
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...gell-users-club.549091/page-377#post-13003982
haqq777
Legend
Yes, pretty much. I preferred my TC line for serving. First serves were good with either but for second serves, I had bigger and heavier slice and the kickers stood up more with my TC 97. Lime had better touch and feel though (perhaps because TC line is foam filled and more muted). So in the end, just a matter of taste/preference.
topspn
Legend
@haedulus I have tried grip shape A and B in Angells my preference is grip B as it feels more natural for me to find bevels and my grip. The A is like the old head before they started making them rounder so it is more pronounced rectangular shape. The B shape is certainly the realm of Wilson, Bab and Yonex in my opinion and the one I have on my racquets. I have never tried grip C but it is described as the roundest and closest to prince. I have no issue with prince grips and also find them easy to use. If you really want to experiment you can also order with your racquet additional pallets that can be shipped with your order in different shape. So say you order racquet is B3 pallets then order extra C3 pallets. If you think B3 is not as round as you’d like, go to the C3. Reach out to Angell on FB messenger, it’s the fastest way for responses. Overall, I would describe Angell grip size as a bit smaller especially with leather.
another question...
I have been enjoying a modded TC95 63RA 16x19 recently (thanks to @saleem).
came back from holiday last week and played a couple of matches since, first one i used a Flexpoint Prestige MP (8 mains in the throat) and the second match i used Vcore Duel G 97 310 (8 mains also). both modded to be near similar weight and SW as the TC95 w/ fullbed of multi at similar tension). i must say i have really enjoyed both racquets with 8 mains.
so, my question is - would a TC95 18x20 or TC97 18x20 be closed to the Flexpoint and the Duel G? if not, i'd try to source another Duel G as i really enjoyed playing with that, maybe because of the 20mm beam width.... lol
your thoughts?
I have been enjoying a modded TC95 63RA 16x19 recently (thanks to @saleem).
came back from holiday last week and played a couple of matches since, first one i used a Flexpoint Prestige MP (8 mains in the throat) and the second match i used Vcore Duel G 97 310 (8 mains also). both modded to be near similar weight and SW as the TC95 w/ fullbed of multi at similar tension). i must say i have really enjoyed both racquets with 8 mains.
so, my question is - would a TC95 18x20 or TC97 18x20 be closed to the Flexpoint and the Duel G? if not, i'd try to source another Duel G as i really enjoyed playing with that, maybe because of the 20mm beam width.... lol
your thoughts?
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
From the string pattern perspective, the TC95 and TC97 18x20 would play more similar to the Flexpoint Prestige MP. From the flex profile, I would think that the TC97 18x20 would be the closer of the two Angells to the Prestige racquet.
The Duel G is a 16x20 string pattern with 8 mains and for that reason may play with a similar degree of control due to the 8 mains, but with more spin due to the 16 mains... so is kind of in between a TC95 16x19 and 18x20 (not sure of the flex profile but I think it's stiffer in the head of the racquet). If I'm wrong, and the Yonex flexes more in the head, then it would be closer to being in between the TC97 16x19 and 18x20.
Either way, I think if you really like the Duel G and how it plays, it would be simpler to just find another one of those than try the TC95 or TC97 in the 18x20 string pattern and rely on your technique to produce the extra spin. It can be done, but simpler to just source another Duel G.
Just my 2 cents worth... hope that helps
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
On a general note, and especially if Paul is reading these posts, it would be interesting to see a TC model (either 95 or 97... or both for the matter) with either a 16x20 string pattern (with 6 mains in the throat) or a 16x19 with 8 mains in the throat.
That way we would have an open mains racquet with more control from the crosses, or a more controlled open string pattern... kind of the Goldilocks of the current setups.
That way we would have an open mains racquet with more control from the crosses, or a more controlled open string pattern... kind of the Goldilocks of the current setups.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Vcore 95, thank me later.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
haedulus
New User
Thank you guys for the quick and detailed reply. I will go for shape B3 then and probably order additional C3 pallets for the unlikely case of me not liking the B shape.
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
From what I hear its very easy to change between them. I used the TC95 Ra63 16x19 too and if I played a lot of doubles might be tempted to pick up a 18x20 to compliment my 16x19's but overall very similar. For singles I think if I wanted more cintrol Id maybe just restring the stick with a slightly higher tension.
I like to groove on a stick and not screw myself up but when I used the Prestiges Id switch between a 18x20 MP and a 16x19 pro with MP being my main axe. Now that ive gone full 16x19 I dont know if Id use a 18x20 much.
OK. No problems with control, actually I don't believe that denser string pattern can make a big difference in that. Trying to hold my horses now… But I'll keep my eye on those 18x20s, because one day I might switch to gut (I'm over 50 yrs old, using full poly) and it lasts better in dense pattern.
nohandedbackhand
Semi-Pro
If the lime is the same as the red (pretty sure it is) then it doesn’t have pallets - it has a molded foam grip like Wilson, Yonex, etc. you can heat it up and remove it with some careful patience and whatever implements of destruction you desire (exacto knife and flathead work for me) but it will void the warranty and usually destroys the foam grip. The upside though is that there will be a nice quality graphite Angell hairpin underneath and you can customize whatever fit of pallets you want to make it work for you. Others may know better than me but I think I remember reading that Angell k7 hairpins are slightly bigger than other manufacturers so you may need to go down a size in pallets. It’s possible though, just depends how much time you want to spend. May be easier to sell and buy another. Upsides though are you can completely customize the grip to your hand and this process in theory lowers the RA a bit increasing the flex.
I just read your post and hope you havent ordered yet. Yonex grip size 3 would be a wilson 4 and an Angell 4 grip size for sure!!! So get yourself a grip size 4!
recsoares
Rookie
Thanks!
So,will the Head TK82 or 82S fit in the Lime?
I have a K7 Red and I can confirm with absolute sure that grip size in bigger than the TC line.
I didn’t receive the Limes yet,but I’m pretty sure that yout may be right and found the grip larger than usual.
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Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Were you looking to get new sticks? What would you have ordered?Damn, I was watching the match, not these boards...
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Not sure, but it's always better to get them when at a discount. This is my first and immediate response but when I dig deeper the answer changes.
It's interesting that you asked that, as I was just watching a documentary on our consumerism and culture of excess. There are different parts to me and they would give you differing answers, however, the simple all-encompassing response is probably 'No, I don't need new sticks'.
I currently have the TC95 and TC97 in both string patterns (and some spares just in case). I tried the K7 Red and didn't gel with it (preferred the TCs), and for that reason won't be giving the K7 Lime a go. I'm not interested in the larger head sizes of the TCs, which doesn't leave much else.
Sorry for the longwinded answer... I'm just trying to figure things out and thinking out loud
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Agreed it's easy to get sucked into buying new things with sale. I've made my peace with purchases and most of the time I only buy used racquets now. Unfortunately there aren't that many used Angells in the 2nd hand market, so this is an exception, I guess.Not sure, but it's always better to get them when at a discount. This is my first and immediate response but when I dig deeper the answer changes.
It's interesting that you asked that, as I was just watching a documentary on our consumerism and culture of excess. There are different parts to me and they would give you differing answers, however, the simple all-encompassing response is probably 'No, I don't need new sticks'.
I currently have the TC95 and TC97 in both string patterns (and some spares just in case). I tried the K7 Red and didn't gel with it (preferred the TCs), and for that reason won't be giving the K7 Lime a go. I'm not interested in the larger head sizes of the TCs, which doesn't leave much else.
Sorry for the longwinded answer... I'm just trying to figure things out and thinking out loud
BBender716
Professional
Goddamn I want a K7 lime so bad. I have a TC95, 320g, 16x19 70 RA and this sale makes it tempting...
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SlvrDragon50
Semi-Pro
You make me want to try all the racquets. First the Yonex. Then the Tecnifbire. Now these Angell.Not sure, but it's always better to get them when at a discount. This is my first and immediate response but when I dig deeper the answer changes.
It's interesting that you asked that, as I was just watching a documentary on our consumerism and culture of excess. There are different parts to me and they would give you differing answers, however, the simple all-encompassing response is probably 'No, I don't need new sticks'.
I currently have the TC95 and TC97 in both string patterns (and some spares just in case). I tried the K7 Red and didn't gel with it (preferred the TCs), and for that reason won't be giving the K7 Lime a go. I'm not interested in the larger head sizes of the TCs, which doesn't leave much else.
Sorry for the longwinded answer... I'm just trying to figure things out and thinking out loud
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Angell racquets are awesome... well worth trying.