Happi
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try Sergetti stringing, IMO it really helps, there is even an Angell promocode for 15% discount.
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try Sergetti stringing, IMO it really helps, there is even an Angell promocode for 15% discount.
haqq777
Legend
How has your experience been with Sergetti experience overall, may I ask? I have never tried it but heard a lot about it on this forum.
Is the TC97 unstrung SW very different from K7 series (which Angell tennis quoted as average 290, but possible to get closer to 300)? My K7 Lime unstrung SW is 296, for example.
I'm still trying to suss out whether I prefer 16x19 or 18x20. I was set with 16x19 pattern until I demoed the Vcore HD and really liked it, prompting a K7 Lime purchase. Once Rona up and leaves, I'll give it a proper trial.
My TC 97 18x20 SW is 295 unstrung. It is probably around 330+/- strung. Actual weight is 340g about 5pt HL. For me it is perfect. I put 5in of lead at 3/9 (4 strips total) and if my footwork stays alive I have confidence I can hang with anybody. In my mind I would think I prefer a more HL racket, but in reality I need to "feel the inertia" of a more even balance for my 2HBH and forehand. Serves are getting to the point where my regular group of slightly older doubles players don't like playing with me (half joking, probably half true). I prefer the 18x20 before my strokes naturally produce a pretty high launch angle, which is too high with most 16x19s so the tighter patterns tames my natural shot trajectory which lets me hit even harder.
So, I'm coming to the end of my string reel and wanted to demo some different setups. I'm currently playing with 1.18 MSV Focus Hex at 46lbs in my TC97 18x20. I like the string a lot, but always willing to see if the grass is greener.
In order of importance I want: Spin, playability-durability, and power.
I must have some extra-spin help. Being able to shape my shots is a big part of my game. That plus my slice and kick serves.
Durable playability - I do not have access to my stringer, and so (ideally) a string that will maintain its characteristics for as long as possible is ideal right now. I play between 3 and 8 hours per week so I know I'm probably asking a lot. I'm not worried about breaking strings, the 18x20 pattern negates most of that risk.
Power - I can get lazy sometimes and I'll never turn down some help getting out of defensive situations.
I am open to trying anything. Thicker gauges, different tensions, etc. Strings I have liked in the past - Hyper-G, Volkl Cyclone. Strings that I'm interested in Tier 1 Black Knight, Fire Wire, or the Fire Wire Boost hybrid.
In order of importance I want: Spin, playability-durability, and power.
I must have some extra-spin help. Being able to shape my shots is a big part of my game. That plus my slice and kick serves.
Durable playability - I do not have access to my stringer, and so (ideally) a string that will maintain its characteristics for as long as possible is ideal right now. I play between 3 and 8 hours per week so I know I'm probably asking a lot. I'm not worried about breaking strings, the 18x20 pattern negates most of that risk.
Power - I can get lazy sometimes and I'll never turn down some help getting out of defensive situations.
I am open to trying anything. Thicker gauges, different tensions, etc. Strings I have liked in the past - Hyper-G, Volkl Cyclone. Strings that I'm interested in Tier 1 Black Knight, Fire Wire, or the Fire Wire Boost hybrid.
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
I've found the 18x20 TC97 to be a pretty demanding racquet. I never ever thought about launch angles and what not until I got this stick, and for sure, it's got a very low launch angle.
That being said, I love the stick. It forces me to be a better tennis player. Footwork, positioning, timing, etc. I'm stringing sticks down in the low 50s for the first time in YEARS.
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
Has anyone tried Angell's PU leather grips? Do they feel significantly different from the traditional Angell leather ones?
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
Tier 1 Black Knight has your first two requirements more than covered, but I would have liked more power, even with polyfibre hightec crosses at 42/45. I'd say get the thinnest BK you can get and string it lower than you normally would. It's a great string, but I like a softer string bed and would opt for your second choice, Fire Wire Boost. Ghost Wire is probably the best poly I've ever hit, but that was only once and in the crosses with some unknown Genesis poly main. But even then, it was fabulous.
Happi
Hall of Fame
I was very skeptical in the beginning, is this a hoax, and after reading at the stringers forum there was both pro and cons. I guess I could keep on reading, but I just decided to try it out and see for myself.
Found the Angell promo code by google, and got a tension sheet for about CAN$ 20 - not more than some strings I have acquired after reading glowing reviews by posters here on TT, only to find I did not like the strings at all.
I was really not expecting a lot, had two Angell TC100 strung up with Cyber Flash with 22kg (one traditional and the other with the Sergetti tension sheets), and it was really a WOW experience for me, sweet spot decently larger, much more even stringed, a lot of the stuff the promise on their website I can relate to. However you need an electronic stringing machine with constant pull for the method to work as intended.
I found Serge at Sergetti very pleasant to deal with, I had a lot of questions and he answers them all kindly. I have now several sheets for different strings and racquets.
I can only recommend to try Sergetti stringing out and see for one self, to me it is worth the cost - but don't take my word for it, try it out and report back.
PM me if you can't find the promo code, or want to have more in dept info - you can also write to Serge at Sergetti for info.
Cheers, H
For me, the downside to sergetti would be if you are a heavy traveling tournament player where you would have little guarantee of being able to get it done in an unknown area. Plus, what if you need a racket restrung mid-match?
Aside from that, if you play locally and for fun I think it would be a cool thing to try. Maybe I'm too cynical or paranoid? I just don't like the idea of getting used to something that specific.
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Aside from that, if you play locally and for fun I think it would be a cool thing to try. Maybe I'm too cynical or paranoid? I just don't like the idea of getting used to something that specific.
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haqq777
Legend
Thanks a lot for the in-depth reply!
Happi
Hall of Fame
djNEiGht
Legend
I'm not sure about the K7 but I def feel the swing weight difference from my TC95 16m sticks.
Happi
Hall of Fame
Sergetti provides you with a tension sheet, you can give this to any pro stringer around the world, so it should not be a problem for the traveling player.
My problem is that I am getting used to Sergetti stringing and the value it has for me - so if I need to try out a new string on a new racquet, first thing I do is to get a tension sheet, and that can be costly in the long run. However if you only play with one or two racquets and one or two kind of strings, and limited tension variation (you can interpolate between sheets), it is a no brainer to try the method out and see if its hasty value for you. To me it is a big YES.
If on the other hand you are a player that likes to try out a lot of different racquets, strings, hybrids, tensions (like me
) - I don't think this method is for you.Cheers, H
djNEiGht
Legend
I'd suggest FireWire / Ghost Wire hybrid. I've also really liked Volkl vSquare / Ghost wire hybrid. The square/round hybrid takes a while to notch and snap back is great for a long time. I have used it in a few 18x20 set ups.
I'd also like to throw in Durafluxx which I think you can get a reel in red/18g for under $100. Thing gauge is nice in a tight 18m racquet. I go low 40s and enjoy the comfort and added spin with out loosing control. If I were to use this set up in a 16m racquet I would probably go up 3-5 lbs
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
I'd even throw in Black Knight/Ghost Wire strung low on the BK, especially during warmer months. I don't know if there are any reports of anyone using that hybrid, but I bet it would be good if the Ghost Wire does its job softening the impact and giving a little more dwell.
djNEiGht
Legend
I have not tried that...but might consider it in my 16m racquets.
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
I'd like to know as well and plan to find out ... but probably in an 18x20
NachosLotion
New User
I bought an ASL 2 about 2 months back.I finally decided to support Paul and the Company a bit by bying an ASL 2 this month. Was looking for a slightly more powerful and stable racket than K7 Red and I think it was a good choise.
It arrived in 5 days to Ukraine and I think it's great considering the circumstances. The racket looks even better than on photos, the PJ is great and high-quality. Some pics of the beauty:
Do you have a buzzing sensation/sound when you hit the ball?
I get that even with a dampener, and it's alot more pronounced when I just bounce the ball with my racket. It's kind of irritating me and making me not want to hit with the racket.....
rlau
Hall of Fame
The PU leather grips are a hybrid where the leather is covered by a PU layer on top. The PU leather grip therefore feels a bit thicker and more mushy than just ‘plain’ leather. So if you find the regular leather grip a bit too harsh and want a bit more comfortable feel, I would recommend trying the PU leather grip. If you prefer the feedback and feel (but lesser comfort) of a regular leather grip, I'd recommend sticking to that. FWIW, I don't use PU grips, so I prefer leather replacement grips covered with an overgrip.
tennis347
Hall of Fame
What kind of string are you using? I have the ASL2 and K7 Red. There's no vibration at all. Use a vibration dampener.
CharlottesHead
Rookie
My TC100 with the below specs should arrive in a day or two. Any advice on string tension? I typically like to string a racket 23/24kg and use it until it gets down to about 19kg in the cross. Some rackets though are more "string sensitive" than others giving a smaller time when the string bed feels good.
So, with Angell rackets, can I start high or should I go straight for optimal tension?
Edit: full poly is all I use
String Pattern:
16 x 19
Stiffness:
63 RA
Length:
27
Weight / Balance:
320g(11.4oz) / 310mm(10ptsHL)
So, with Angell rackets, can I start high or should I go straight for optimal tension?
Edit: full poly is all I use
String Pattern:
16 x 19
Stiffness:
63 RA
Length:
27
Weight / Balance:
320g(11.4oz) / 310mm(10ptsHL)
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topspn
Legend
It would be helpful to know which poly and gauge you plan on using but start @52lbs and adjust from there.
CharlottesHead
Rookie
Solinco Revolution 1.25mm
topspn
Legend
Yep, start 52lbs and adjust from there. Also keep in mind TC100 has an open pattern even for 16x19 so you might want to try 1.30mm
CharlottesHead
Rookie
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So it's not so string sensitive? The last 100in frame I had was a Gravity Pro and that just had a 2kg or 4.4lbs (at best!) Goldilocks zone, you might say.
topspn
Legend
Yeah, if you alter tension by as much as 4lbs you will certainly feel a big difference. I’d change by 1lb up or down when you adjust. Generally, full poly I’d always string between 51-54lbs in this frame.
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NachosLotion
New User
Biphase in the mains and PTP in the cross. 50/48.
Like I said, it is the same with dampener.
Also have tried many different kinds of dampener including rubber bands as well....
tennis347
Hall of Fame
The vibration could be from the low string tension you are using. What does PTP stand for?
magnusforce55
New User
No, absolutely no buzzing sensation/sound with my ASL 2, just a solid feel and a pleasant 'thwack' with a dampener and no discomfort/normal 'ping' without it.
I agree with tennis347's opinion above that your sound probably can be caused by an issue with the strings or dampener. But my tension (46/44, ASL strings pack) is even lower than yours so I doubt that tension is a reason.
Many years ago I faced a similar problem with a strange buzz on a Head LM Radical Tour. It was caused by too long piece of string near the knot that was not cut properly by the stringer and was in contact with another main string. So I can suggest you to look carefully on your knots. Also I had an experience with different rackets when such buzzing sensation on a fresh stringjob just disappeared after 10-15 minutes of play when strings 'settle'.
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tennis347
Hall of Fame
Angell makes great racquets! The QC is a lot better than most if not all other racquet manufacturers! Never had any problems with their racquets!
magnusforce55
New User
Yes, absolutely agree! All my Angells are great in this aspects compared to Head, Wilson & Babolat
The Angell's QC is amazing as my son ordered four racquets since he's a competitive junior and is a string breaker so having more than two is very helpful. Out of the four racquets only one of them had a weight difference which was one gram, not much at all and you couldn't tell the difference when playing. Compared to Head which he had contract with previously out of the four racquets, two were off by almost 11 grams.
magnusforce55
New User
I think 11 g difference between racquets is an epic fail for such a large and famous manufacturer. But they will waste money on marketing rather than organize normal QC
edelp
Semi-Pro
hi, not easy to get a closed pattern tc97 below 330 SW. I have a low weight one, 300 gr at 32,5cm and SW is 304 (Paul shared the info), so strung SW is easy plus 30 pts. I have a picture of the strung SW
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
I have no clue what my tc97 swingweight is but it's pretty hefty to swing. I got 320g/310mm balance unstrung. Comes in around 345g strung
chazz
Rookie
I was thinking the 310g/315mm balance would be somewhere in the ballpark of what I'm looking for.
landcookie
Semi-Pro
Does anyone have info on what the stock swingweight is for a 27.5inch TC 95/100?
I got my TC100s on a customised SW but with Paul's condition they don't seem to do that anymore.
Also, what's the headsize difference between the 95/100 - can anyone who has both compare?
Thanks.
I got my TC100s on a customised SW but with Paul's condition they don't seem to do that anymore.
Also, what's the headsize difference between the 95/100 - can anyone who has both compare?
Thanks.
therecanbeonlyone
Semi-Pro
I have a 27.5 TC95 as well as a standard one (both 18x20). Here are the strung specs on both (I think the standard one had a color wrap on it when these were measured; both had overgrips and no other mods):
Extended
Static: 345g balance:32.5 Swing:352g
Standard:
Static: 348 Balance: 31.8 Swing:331g
landcookie
Semi-Pro
Thanks. Wow. 352? Is this the V3 or V2?
landcookie
Semi-Pro
Mweeh. Great answer. I should've elaborated. There seems to be a consensus that the TC 95 has a larger hoop than a 'standard' 95(whatever that means) and is closer to a 97, hence why I wonder how it compares to the 100.The difference in headsize between the 95 and 100 is 5 sq inches.
therecanbeonlyone
Semi-Pro
jmacdaununder2
Legend
So if extending a racquet 1/2 an inch adds 20 swing weight points, ceteris paribus would a 28" TC95 have a 372 swing weight? Wow indeed!
Serious question; I've been wondering for some time about a 28" TC95 or TC97.