therecanbeonlyone
Semi-Pro
Yep. In general, you get 10 sw points for every quarter inch extended length.
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rlau
Hall of Fame
The difference between a TC95 and TC100 is not that big between 3/9 – it's mostly lengthwise, i.e. he TC100's hoop extends more towards the throat of the racquet.
rlau
Hall of Fame
With respect to swingweight, there is no difference between the 330g/305mm spec and the 310g/315mm spec (manufacturing tolerances and differences between individual frames not taken into account), because the additional weight is all in the handle. So getting a racquet in a lighter spec will not matter much in terms of SW for the Angell custom frames.
chazz
Rookie
Good to know. I contacted tennisnerd and he told me the swingweight on the one he reviewed measured right at 330. If I decide to order I'll contact Angell directly and I'm sure I can get one in a swingweight I'm happy with.
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
Alright, I think my honeymoon period with the TC97 is ending... It might just be because I haven't gotten to play consistent tennis over the last few months, but man, this thing was hard to use yesterday. I missed a bunch of easy easy mid court forehands that just dumped right into the net. I also feel like 345g strung may be a tad too hefty for me. Gonna try and take some weight out this weekend and see if I can fine tune her a bit.
My honeymoon has ended with the 97 as well, but I am still sold on it. My 2nd one is coming tomorrow!
I played out of my mind the first few times I hit with it. The slide back to reality has more to do with moving from indoor to outdoor tennis and not being able to restring as often as I would like.
One thing that has only gotten better is my serve. Never served better since picking it up.
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I played out of my mind the first few times I hit with it. The slide back to reality has more to do with moving from indoor to outdoor tennis and not being able to restring as often as I would like.
One thing that has only gotten better is my serve. Never served better since picking it up.
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itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
I talked about it the first time I got the racquet, but my forehand just hasn't quite gelled with the stick yet. That launch angle is super low. I'm contemplating getting a TC95 and see if that would work better for my game... or maybe a TC97 16x19.... Or one of everything...
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
What did you switch to?
TC 100 for sure. 63RA if you want it really arm friendly.
If you don't mind losing some power, but want the most arm friendly stick they make, it is probably the K7 Red.
Their ASL3 is also a good candidate, but the K7 and ASL are not customizable.
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If you don't mind losing some power, but want the most arm friendly stick they make, it is probably the K7 Red.
Their ASL3 is also a good candidate, but the K7 and ASL are not customizable.
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Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
Have you considered Yonex EZONE 98/100 2020? Angells are quite a departure from your Pure Aero, so you should be expecting a big difference if you go that route. I personally think the Yonexes would be a better transition into something more control-oriented and comfortable while retaining some attributes of your Pure Aero.
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
I can't say for sure about the 100. I hit the DR 98 briefly a few years ago, and it was definitely more arm-friendly compared to APD and Pure Aero. Since you've hit them both, your comfort comparison would be more valid than mine. My suggestion was more for the EZONE 98. In fact, I probably shouldn't have listed the 100 since I have no experience with it, but I think most would agree that Yonex frames would be a good comfort/control bridge coming from stiffer Babolats.
My son just switched to the VCORE 98 305, and if you want a modern, comfortably plush frame with a very open string pattern (possibly rivaling the pure aero), this one may work. I've hit it, and if they offered it in an 18x20, or even the tighter 16x19 of the EZONE 98, I'd entertain the idea of playing it myself. It's that good, imo. But no modern frame has quite succeeded in pulling me away from my Angell TC95 18x20. I'd like a tad more forgiveness but am unwilling to compromise on the 'juicy' control of the TC95.
You should try the VCORE 98 305. If you like it, come to think of it, you'd probably do well with a TC100 70RA. They will have similar string patterns (open 16x19), but I think the 98" head size of the Yonex would provide a touch more control, but it is 1mm thicker, so you also have to figure that in, haha. A lot to consider here
Kurt0707
Rookie
For TC95/TC97 users and fans:
considering the current hype on new Head Pro Tour 2, wondering if anyone has tried both original Head Pro Tour 630 vs TC95 18x20 63RA 320gr, as they have similar specs - original Head specs are 95inch, 20mm straight beam, 325gr unstrung and 58RA/8pts HL/335+ swingwieght strung. But Head has Twaron material, similar to the material in K7 Lime so feel would probably be more similar to K7.
In another thread, some have compared tc97 18x20 to original pro tour rather than tc95, which i found interesting.. https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pt57a-compared-to-tc97-95.606123/
Pro tour 2 main difference to original is material and RA at 64-65RA so that would be comparable to TC95 18x20 70RA or still TC97 now...? dont understand this hype...
considering the current hype on new Head Pro Tour 2, wondering if anyone has tried both original Head Pro Tour 630 vs TC95 18x20 63RA 320gr, as they have similar specs - original Head specs are 95inch, 20mm straight beam, 325gr unstrung and 58RA/8pts HL/335+ swingwieght strung. But Head has Twaron material, similar to the material in K7 Lime so feel would probably be more similar to K7.
In another thread, some have compared tc97 18x20 to original pro tour rather than tc95, which i found interesting.. https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pt57a-compared-to-tc97-95.606123/
Pro tour 2 main difference to original is material and RA at 64-65RA so that would be comparable to TC95 18x20 70RA or still TC97 now...? dont understand this hype...
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Just to follow up on the previous post, has anyone compared the TC95 and the new Head Prestige Pro ? Besides the usual suspects (control, feel, stability, spin, etc) I'd like to know how they compare in term of flex? As per Head website, the Prestige Pro is a box beam, so I'm expecting it would flex more like a TC97. Or does it flex uniformly like the TC95?
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joohan
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For me, TC97 18x20 (never played 16x19) plays a lot like Head racquets I've tried (iPrestige Mid, PC600, Youtek IG Prestige Pro) so I guess it plays like PT2.0, too (even guys like vsbabolat think so). Can't really imagine PT2.0 playing like TC95...
The hype is simple - Head puts out something, or something close to that something, that ppl were dreaming of for a long time and it costs 50 bucks less than most retails. I bet the hype would be similar if Wilson decided to release another 90'' or Yonex decided to release 95D again. I'd be all worked up and ready to splash cash if Fischer got back to business and brought back their SiC and fiberglass layups.
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I’ve been using the V2 TC97 16x19 for over 3 years, must of play tested every popular modern & plenty of old school frames before sticking with the TC97. Took me roughly 3 months to fully commit, my original frame was 325SW, I messed about with strings as at that time I’d had my first & only bout of TE & I also added a bit of lead here & there. Ended up playing racquet with zero lead, racquet is stable enough without needing any.
like all the V2 Angells there is a great balance of precision & power & whilst I could easy switch to a tc95 or Tc100, I enjoy the touch, feel & lower launch angle of theTC97.
After this stop i will try a bit with lead again to see if i can lower my swingweight too. I was able to reduce it from 340 to 333 , but if i could lower it a bit more would be great. But i´ve tried it before and always seems to be missing something. I love more weight to crush the ball. I believe that 330 plus swingweight , the TC 97 becomes all i hear about the TC 95, being a Thor hammer. it´s rock solid and precise , but it´s a bit demanding to move it , but nothing that good frequent training doesn´t solve , and than it´s time to collect all the bónus...
haqq777
Legend
The PT 2.0 and TC95 play very differently. Don't go by specs alone and the RA numbers. The biggest difference for me is how they both flex and the feel/feedback along with the level of power.
First, even with 63 RA version of TC95, you find a crisper, modern feedback. Definitely more powerful as well. The PT280 or PT2.0 both are lower powered in comparison and by a margin and they play quite a bit softer with that old school, traditional feel. The new PT 2.0 even at strung 65 RA plays way more softer than unstrung 63 RA TC95. So many things in this equation like frame geometry, materials, layups etc.
Second, the flex. The Prestige hoop flex is very evident in those old school HEADs. The TC95 has more of a uniform flex from above handle all the way to the hoop tip. Feels more modern compared to old school Prestiges. Not that one is a better way of flexing, matter of preference in the end really. I find TC95/100 suit modern game more, but that is me.
Third, coming to TC97 18x20, yes those are way more closer to Prestige line with their boxier beam than the other 'D' beam Angells like TC95 or TC100. The flex in TC97 is in hoop area which is very obvious once you have played both TC95/100 and TC97. You feel similar hoop flex in PT280 or PT2.0. Kind of like some Prince Phantoms if you have played those. Those have a very obvious hoop flex upon ball contact.
The TC97 18x20 was my racquet for over a year before I switched. Before that I played TC100 for multiple years. I also own multiple older Prestiges as well as PT 2.0 that just came out. If I were to compare TC97 18x20 with older Prestiges I'd say it is a bit less softer feeling, and plays just a tad more muted. But yes, definitely closer in feel to PT280 or PT2.0 than TC95 which feels completely different.
topspn
Legend
TC100 70 RA is closest but miles more comfortable
topspn
Legend
I happen to have in my bag TC100s, APD 2013, Ezone 100 2020 and the new Nova FS. Ezone is a more controlled stringed but certainly has the easy playability tweener attributes of an AP. I did find all of them to be way to light for me in stock form so i have adjusted all of them. Ezone i added a leather grip and weight 2&10&12 brought it up to 337g and 32.3 cm balance. Plays beautifully and it is more arm friendly then the new AP.
Awesome post. I recall these about the TC97 18x20 vs Head Prestige.
how about the K7? Would it be anywhere close to the Prestige line or the new PT2.0? Suppose the K7 Lime would be closer if any....? Thanks.
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I also recently tried (pre-lockdown) the new ezones and really liked them especially the 100. Can you comment more about how the TC100 RA70 compares to it? Thanks.
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Haqq777 - that is a great comparison between the PT 2.0 and TC95 - thank you. I was wondering if you have had any experience with the Dunlop CX 200 Tour 18x20 and how it compares with those racquets. I would assume for obvious reasons that it would play more similarly to the Angell and that it would need a bit of customization to make it an apples to apples comparison.
haqq777
Legend
Hey esm, both K7 Red and Lime are extremely nice feeling frames. The Red I got was from the second batch and was 57 strung RA, similar stiffness reading to PT280. I think they upped the crisp factor by just a bit in later batches for the Red, but they still play fantastic smooth and soft. Same for the Lime. Very smooth feeling racquet. They are both low on power compared to Custom lines, but nothing a bit of weight can't solve.
Now that said, both K7 have very even flex in my experience. More similar to D beam. Older Prestiges on the other hand have that soft upper hoop flex going on, so you can distinguish between them very easily. I also remember a few posters here got the Red when it came out and were suggesting the same as well regarding how it flexes.
Also, just a side note that the 2.0 has about 10 grams on Lime in stock form as you know, so not a very apples to apples sort of a comparison. In terms of feel, I think 2.0 got that old school feedback very spot on but just with a bit more crispness. I honestly think TC97 18x20 is still closer to older Prestiges just because I feel the similarity in hoop area flex.
topspn
Legend
So unfortunately this won’t be an apples to apples comparison. My Ezone is 337g is strung with Confidential 16L @53lbs. My TC100s are 330g strung with revolution 16L @53lbs. So there is a weight difference as well as different strings. I want to get my TC100s up around the same weight, however I got the stock 310g/7HL so i want to counterweight under the butt cap weight i add to the head so i keep my existing balance around the same. Waiting for some blu tack to do that.
Alright so having said all that, TC100 as you know just has that big kicking serve that pushes people back (will be more with the weight). It’s more open pattern really helps it in that regard and of course it also translates to ground strokes. The ezone has a string bed with a center that is tighter so will give a tad more control and precision. This translates to ground strokes with power but less natural arc with a very neutral launch angle. You can hit more flattish with the ezone and get better results. The ezone also has a very impressive sweet spot. Feels like the whole damned string bed is the sweet spot. Can really get you out of trouble defensively with flicks that have response. Also a nice big serve, just doesn’t have as big a kick as TC100.
I think the TC100 would really benefit from Confidential 16g around 52lbs so i plan to do that just have too many sticks in the bag right now and little court time unfortunately. As a side note, i also have a Nova FS and 2013 APD also weighed up and also really like them. I also just got a Youtek IG Radical Pro and really like that racquet as well. I am going to have a big problem deciding what racquet to pull out of the bag
haqq777
Legend
Hi Bobby, unfortunately I have never played with Dunlop CX 200 Tour so won't be much help. I do know they had a playtest for that line (I playtested the 16x19 CX, very different racquet) on the forum so perhaps some reviews there might help.
haqq777
Legend
We need our own 12 step program. Some of us are hopelessSo unfortunately this won’t be an apples to apples comparison. My Ezone is 337g is strung with Confidential 16L @53lbs. My TC100s are 330g strung with revolution 16L @53lbs. So there is a weight difference as well as different strings. I want to get my TC100s up around the same weight, however I got the stock 310g/7HL so i want to counterweight under the butt cap weight i add to the head so i keep my existing balance around the same. Waiting for some blu tack to do that.
Alright so having said all that, TC100 as you know just has that big kicking serve that pushes people back (will be more with the weight). It’s more open pattern really helps it in that regard and of course it also translates to ground strokes. The ezone has a string bed with a center that is tighter so will give a tad more control and precision. This translates to ground strokes with power but less natural arc with a very neutral launch angle. You can hit more flattish with the ezone and get better results. The ezone also has a very impressive sweet spot. Feels like the whole damned string bed is the sweet spot. Can really get you out of trouble defensively with flicks that have response. Also a nice big serve, just doesn’t have as big a kick as TC100.
I think the TC100 would really benefit from Confidential 16g around 52lbs so i plan to do that just have too many sticks in the bag right now and little court time unfortunately. As a side note, i also have a Nova FS and 2013 APD also weighed up and also really like them. I also just got a Youtek IG Radical Pro and really like that racquet as well. I am going to have a big problem deciding what racquet to pull out of the bag
topspn
Legend
That is so true and i got a Pro Tour 2 shipping out to me todayWe need our own 12 step program. Some of us are hopeless
rider4ever
Rookie
How do you get the 10% discount?
I got a 10% discount code when I first signed up to receive email notifications from them.
I just bought and received a new TC97 on Tuesday and got a new coupon for 10% off in the box with the racket.
I think you get one with every racket purchase, not sure if you get one within smaller non-racket purchases.
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I just bought and received a new TC97 on Tuesday and got a new coupon for 10% off in the box with the racket.
I think you get one with every racket purchase, not sure if you get one within smaller non-racket purchases.
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Oh yes, just seen the email. Very tempting if it was the Octan version
I think I have bought about half a dozen of racquets in the past few days already.... I blame the lockdown boredom
(Also keen to know about the 10% discount...)
rider4ever
Rookie
What racquet did you switch away from the TC97 and why?
I currently play with the TC97 18x20 330g 12 pts headlight for about 3 months. It definitely has forced me to have better footwork and improved my game. I went back to my head gravity tour(351gms strung with leather grip and some weight in the handle) this week just for kicks with a fresh string job and found it way easier and less demanding to play with.
I have loved playing with my TC97 18x20 so far but just feel I need to be on top of my game to play with it. Does anyone else feel the same? Someone please convince me to stick to my Tc97 if that’s going to eventually be better for my game overall in the long run.
i also have tc97 16x19 330gms 27.25 extended. Tc95 18x20 and 16x19 330gms and k7 lime. Yes, you guys turned me into a racquetholic
So unfortunately this won’t be an apples to apples comparison. My Ezone is 337g is strung with Confidential 16L @53lbs. My TC100s are 330g strung with revolution 16L @53lbs. So there is a weight difference as well as different strings. I want to get my TC100s up around the same weight, however I got the stock 310g/7HL so i want to counterweight under the butt cap weight i add to the head so i keep my existing balance around the same. Waiting for some blu tack to do that.
Alright so having said all that, TC100 as you know just has that big kicking serve that pushes people back (will be more with the weight). It’s more open pattern really helps it in that regard and of course it also translates to ground strokes. The ezone has a string bed with a center that is tighter so will give a tad more control and precision. This translates to ground strokes with power but less natural arc with a very neutral launch angle. You can hit more flattish with the ezone and get better results. The ezone also has a very impressive sweet spot. Feels like the whole damned string bed is the sweet spot. Can really get you out of trouble defensively with flicks that have response. Also a nice big serve, just doesn’t have as big a kick as TC100.
I think the TC100 would really benefit from Confidential 16g around 52lbs so i plan to do that just have too many sticks in the bag right now and little court time unfortunately. As a side note, i also have a Nova FS and 2013 APD also weighed up and also really like them. I also just got a Youtek IG Radical Pro and really like that racquet as well. I am going to have a big problem deciding what racquet to pull out of the bag
Thanks. I understand what you mean. How does the feel and comfort compare between the Ezone and the tc100 RA70? (Ezone felt much more comfortable than it seemed it should for 69RA but I have not tried an RA70 Angel, only the 63 and 66 ones).
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rider4ever
Rookie
Oh ok. I have Only purchased grommets and pallets directly from Angell so far. It was about 60 euros total. All my racquet purchases are from this forum.
Btw, I have a couple 4 3/8 pallets with butt caps I might wanted to put up for sale. Anyone interested. pM
Rider, I have been in your shoes. For about 18 months I played with a Head LM Prestige Mid with leather grip and it weighed in around 367g strung. It was like having a coach in my hand just like you describe. I felt like an ATP pro when I was on, and it punished me when I got lazy. I was only able to play about once a week, so I actually liked being forced to make an effort to acheive results, I think it's a major reason why the quality of my game didn't degrade over time due to lack of practice.
Anyways, I purchased one of Haqq777's TC97 18x20s because it was only 310g. Strung it is apx 335g. It is a huge difference in consistency over time. I could probably play the same with either racket for a set/45min. But for a full afternoon where I play upwards of 3 hours, I have to have the lighter racket. And it's still heavy, we're talking 12oz instead of 13
.So, what to do? Well, if you wanted, you could go through the process of removing some of the weight from your TC97's handle. Looking at previous posts here it doesn't look too hard to do. If you don't want to delve into racket surgery I would recommend buying another 97, but at 310 or 315 at 10pt HL. I don't think you'll be giving up much by going down in static weight.
topspn
Legend
By 66RA I assume you mean the TC97. The TC100 is very comfortable, no issue at all. Ezone certainly feels firm but i’ve had no issue with it being brassy or anything like that. So far my arm is not complaining from any of my frames
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joohan
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Sticking to any racquet (provided that it’s not an entirely bad match for your game) is better for your game in the long run.
I experienced it with TC100 (playing it exclusively for a year) and the same is happening with Yonex Tour G330 (I’m 8 months in of my 12 months commitment). My game is better off sticking to one frame.
Another benefit - every time I contemplate trying something new (like PT2.0 right now), I lose interest when I imagine the time and effort needed to gel with it properly. Saves a lot of money.
rider4ever
Rookie
Thanks emh, Glad to know others have felt/are feeling the same.Rider, I have been in your shoes. For about 18 months I played with a Head LM Prestige Mid with leather grip and it weighed in around 367g strung. It was like having a coach in my hand just like you describe. I felt like an ATP pro when I was on, and it punished me when I got lazy. I was only able to play about once a week, so I actually liked being forced to make an effort to acheive results, I think it's a major reason why the quality of my game didn't degrade over time due to lack of practice.
Anyways, I purchased one of Haqq777's TC97 18x20s because it was only 310g. Strung it is apx 335g. It is a huge difference in consistency over time. I could probably play the same with either racket for a set/45min. But for a full afternoon where I play upwards of 3 hours, I have to have the lighter racket. And it's still heavy, we're talking 12oz instead of 13
So, what to do? Well, if you wanted, you could go through the process of removing some of the weight from your TC97's handle. Looking at previous posts here it doesn't look too hard to do. If you don't want to delve into racket surgery I would recommend buying another 97, but at 310 or 315 at 10pt HL. I don't think you'll be giving up much by going down in static weight.
I don’t think weight is a problem for me. I always seem to like around 350gms for any racquet I use. That’s why my gravity tour is at 351gms. I used to play with RF97A before the gravity and it was around 365gms.
I just felt this week that the sweets pot in the tc97 is very limited. But when you hit the sweet spot with good footwork and timing, it’s magic. Although the gravity tour is only 2” bigger head with the same pattern, I realized how big of a sweetspot it has. I didn’t appreciate the sweetspot before playing with the TC 97 but after a 3 month run with the TC 97, the gravity feels almost like a tweener. I was much more confident and was approaching the net more often which my hitting partner noticed and told me at the end of our session. I also felt volleying was easier with the gravity tour. I think this is a reward of playing with Tc 97 last 3 months. Or may be it could be the getting back honeymoon period
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
I just took steps to remove weight from my TC97. I felt it was too much of a brick at 345g ready to play. Took out a bunch of weight, got it down to 327g without any lead added. Gonna try and hit with it on Sunday in this form and see how it goes. Already the stick feel so much whippier and easier to use.
haqq777
Legend
I play regularly with college kids and TC97 18x20 is a little harder to use for me if I want to keep up with them. That isn't a dig on the racquet, just that I'm in my mid thirties and need something to help me keep up with damn kids who have endless supply of energy and hit a heavy ball all day long from everywhere on the baseline.
I played DII college myself and basically grew up on Babolats so I always find myself going back. Currently playing with multiple APD 2013 that I rotate. Easy power and spin, even if you are out of position a bit it lets you keep a deeper ball in play and when you drop racquet head and let it rip, hits a damn vicious ball. It is a lot easier to use than TC97 18x20. Of course lacks feel and touch etc that you get from nicer feeling frames. But life is about compromises, lol. I still have two brand new TC97 18x20. Great frames.
Also, sorry about your holicism. We are all victims here really. I find it best that you just give in to temptation. Might as well enjoy to the fullest
- but on a serious note, definitely try adjusting weight like fellow posters suggested. Might be the way to go for you.
Gee
Hall of Fame
Very good advice!
I also am tempted to buy the PT2.0 but then I recall myself that:
- I purchased 3 Wilson Ultra Tours last year
- I love its feel best of every frame I tried before
- I invested a lot of efforts in customizing with lead and obtaining very nice (Oehms Premium) leather grips
- I guess I finally found my ideal setup
- I dislike the rectangular TK82 grip shape
- I probably don't win more with the more demanding PT2.0
- I don't have the money to spend on another racket
- I'll play better in the long run when I stay with my UTs
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Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
I'm close to three years with the TC95, and it really has become an extension, especially during weeks when I can play multiple times. I mull over other frames occasionally, but I'm like an old faithful hound in the end. If anything, I'd like a touch more forgiveness when I'm playing sparingly, which is most of the time these days.
The temptation for me are these similar (to the TC95 18x20), super plush frames that would give a marginal boost in forgiveness and stability. The compromise usually isn't worth it, but I look at the TF40 305, Strike 18x20 v.3, and EZONE 98 305 as candidates. If one of those provided more forgiveness and played with the same controlled energy of the TC95 18x20, I'd have the ideal frame. For me, a frame switch would only happen if the change augmented what I currently appreciate about my current TC95 18x20.
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joohan
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I'd add the need of stocking on grommets (and racquets in case of PT2.0) to the mix. I don't need that hassle, even less so if it's not and/or it's not going to be my main stick at all. I do get the hype and certain nostalgia, though. I'm just not that big of a fan plus I've already got plenty of "fun hit" sticks I rarely use in my bags.
Kurt0707
Rookie
Yes I feel the difference between TC95 and K7 Lime, TC95 more powerful, feels more solid and modern than K7 Lime. I really like K7 Lime feel though..