The Problem with "Strings and Stringing"

verbouge

Rookie
I posted this in "Strings and Stringing" at 6:21am. As of 10:00am there were 76 viewers, and one response. The thread was about a third of the way down the front page of the forum, and continuing to move down quickly. I think this illustrates exactly what my post is addressing.

I invite the "Stringing Machines" crowd to read this and see if it rings a bell. I think I'm right about this, but hey, I'm just one guy. Are there any others?


I bought a stringing machine a little over six months ago. I've become more and more interested in using different string combinations and in the technical side of stringing. What I've discovered is that "strings" and "stringing" are two very different subjects.

If you take a big-picture look at "Strings and Stringing", you'll notice that it is really devoted almost entirely to strings ("What multi cross to use with what poly"; "Which poly is softest?"; "My review of string 'x'", and on and on and on). The threads move far too fast to keep up a thoughtful discussion of, say, stringing based soley on tension of the strings, or instead using string bed stiffness as a basis for your practice.

I started a thread in "Stringing Machines" about this very thing, string tension vs. string bed stiffness, about a month ago or so (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=332988). I put it in "Stringing Machines" because I felt there was a better chance of meaningful discussion being generated on this subject there rather than here. It did turn into an excellent discussion. I learned a TON and made some new online friends.

It dawned on me that I put the thread in that board not because people there are more thoughtful (although I thought that was the case at first), but because "Strings" and "Stringing" are two different subjects. People talking about their stringing machines are inherently talking about the practice of stringing when they discuss their machines. People talking about strings are talking about, well, strings.

I wonder if anyone else on this forum has noticed this, too, or had this same thought. I would ask the TW administrators if they've considered separating "Strings and Stringing" into two different forums, so that these two related but different subjects could be discussed where they "belong".

Any yays or nays?

Dave
 

Technatic

Professional
The better talks about stringing not on strings and...

I completely agree that “strings and stringing” is useless for better discussions.

As a follow up to Dave’s thread “proposal” which deals with the elongation of strings, I put a thread on Stringforum called “The big black hole in the tennis industry”.

For those who are interested; http://www.stringforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=3655

Such a discussion can not develop on TW’s “Strings and stringing” because the thread has disappeared before most have read it.

BTW: I think that that big black hole is also causing the huge number of threads like ;…….this string……that string.

The stringer has to find out completely by him self how to classify his strings .
Let alone at what tension to use the different strings.

The only way to create a better discussion on "strings and stringing" could be to make such a discussion to a “sticky”..


Good night from over the ocean.
Tecna
 

ls206

Hall of Fame
I agree.
I think if the mods decide that the split would cause too much work, then an option might be to combine it with "stringing machines" as I feel that would be more appropriate also.
 

Racer41c

Professional
I've always thought the same. You did a very nice job of explaining as well. Hopefully TW will make the change.
 

High Roller

Banned
This idea makes a lot of sense. With the exception of a small group of posters, that forum generally elicits uninformed, knee-jerk, fanboy responses. Far more relevance and substance here, which would hopefully carry over to a new "Stringing" forum.
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
Drakulie's thread on tying a PC/Pro knot was moved to "strings and stringing" group.

I agree there should be some separation of String and Stringing. Where Stringing is discussion on stringing techniques, and not any particular string. This would also include racket maintenance.

As for the "proposal" discussion, that thread is entirely about string testing, and should belong in the "string" discussion group. If you guys feel that it should be "sticky'd" then nominate it, or subscribe to it.
 

rich s

Hall of Fame
I posted this in "Strings and Stringing" at 6:21am. As of 10:00am there were 76 viewers, and one response. The thread was about a third of the way down the front page of the forum, and continuing to move down quickly. I think this illustrates exactly what my post is addressing.

I invite the "Stringing Machines" crowd to read this and see if it rings a bell. I think I'm right about this, but hey, I'm just one guy. Are there any others?

I bought a stringing machine a little over six months ago. I've become more and more interested in using different string combinations and in the technical side of stringing. What I've discovered is that "strings" and "stringing" are two very different subjects.

If you take a big-picture look at "Strings and Stringing", you'll notice that it is really devoted almost entirely to strings ("What multi cross to use with what poly"; "Which poly is softest?"; "My review of string 'x'", and on and on and on). The threads move far too fast to keep up a thoughtful discussion of, say, stringing based soley on tension of the strings, or instead using string bed stiffness as a basis for your practice.

I started a thread in "Stringing Machines" about this very thing, string tension vs. string bed stiffness, about a month ago or so (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=332988). I put it in "Stringing Machines" because I felt there was a better chance of meaningful discussion being generated on this subject there rather than here. It did turn into an excellent discussion. I learned a TON and made some new online friends.

It dawned on me that I put the thread in that board not because people there are more thoughtful (although I thought that was the case at first), but because "Strings" and "Stringing" are two different subjects. People talking about their stringing machines are inherently talking about the practice of stringing when they discuss their machines. People talking about strings are talking about, well, strings.

I wonder if anyone else on this forum has noticed this, too, or had this same thought. I would ask the TW administrators if they've considered separating "Strings and Stringing" into two different forums, so that these two related but different subjects could be discussed where they "belong".

Any yays or nays?

Dave

I'm with ya.... however... I would suggest to post the question/suggestion in the forum where you ask TW questions... I think it would receive the proper review and you will get a response if you post it there.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Complete agreement. I don't follow 'strings' too much, but I do follow stringing techniques, knots, etc. If you've played long enough, you already tried most of the generic types of strings already (poly, syn, multi, and hybrids) and have settled on a type. Also by now, IMO, you should know generally what the playing characteristics of each type are.
 

verbouge

Rookie
I'm with ya.... however... I would suggest to post the question/suggestion in the forum where you ask TW questions... I think it would receive the proper review and you will get a response if you post it there.
You're right, Rich. Just getting my finger on the pulse before going there. It seems like mostly "yays" and very few "nays".

I think this division would enhance the conversation that serious stringers are trying to have. We really don't have a forum to go to.
 

rich s

Hall of Fame
You're right, Rich. Just getting my finger on the pulse before going there. It seems like mostly "yays" and very few "nays".

I think this division would enhance the conversation that serious stringers are trying to have. We really don't have a forum to go to.

go for it.... worst that can happen is they say "no". if we don't ask there's no possibilty that it will happen.
 

LMW

Rookie
I agree with the suggestion. The "Strings and Stringing" forum has morphed into "What's the Best Poly/Hybrid?" forum.
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
I agree stringing machines and stringing should be in the same forum.

I was thinking about that too, my idea was that "Stringing Machines" should just be retitled "Stringing Machines and Techniques" and "String and Stringing" be renamed to just "Strings". Makes more sense to than to create a whole new group.
 

tray999

Rookie
I too agree that "Stringing Machines" should just be renamed "Stringing Machines and Techniques" and "String and Stringing" be renamed to just "Strings". That makes perfect sense........ To me anyway.
 

verbouge

Rookie
I was thinking about that too, my idea was that "Stringing Machines" should just be retitled "Stringing Machines and Techniques" and "String and Stringing" be renamed to just "Strings". Makes more sense to than to create a whole new group.

I too agree that "Stringing Machines" should just be renamed "Stringing Machines and Techniques" and "String and Stringing" be renamed to just "Strings". That makes perfect sense........ To me anyway.

I didn't think of that. Sounds simpler, and may even make more sense than what I originally proposed. I guess the only reservation would be that threads would still move down fairly quickly, and drop off the radar prematurely. Still, this would be a great improvement over the current state.
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
Verbouge, If you feel that a topic or conversation would drop off screen. I would suggest that you "subscribe" to the thread and get notification when someone posts to it.
 

verbouge

Rookie
Verbouge, If you feel that a topic or conversation would drop off screen. I would suggest that you "subscribe" to the thread and get notification when someone posts to it.

Good suggestion, Lakers4Life. I already do this, and of course most of you probably do, also. I'm just thinking about the thread hanging around long enough for people to see it and save it in the first place. If it drops down too quickly, as can happen in the current "Strings and Stringing" section, it's gone before it can get any traction.
 

rich s

Hall of Fame
I agree stringing machines and stringing should be in the same forum.

I was thinking about that too, my idea was that "Stringing Machines" should just be retitled "Stringing Machines and Techniques" and "String and Stringing" be renamed to just "Strings". Makes more sense to than to create a whole new group.

I too agree that "Stringing Machines" should just be renamed "Stringing Machines and Techniques" and "String and Stringing" be renamed to just "Strings". That makes perfect sense........ To me anyway.

I didn't think of that. Sounds simpler, and may even make more sense than what I originally proposed. I guess the only reservation would be that threads would still move down fairly quickly, and drop off the radar prematurely. Still, this would be a great improvement over the current state.

I don't like the idea of combining "machines" and "techniques"

I think if we had

Strings

Stringing and Techniques

and

Stringing Machines

you'd have a good balance that would work....
 

jswinf

Professional
It's unusual to see this much agreement in a thread. Must mean something. I'd be in favor of either a separate "stringing" topic or "stringing machines and stringing."
 

struggle

Legend
I don't like the idea of combining "machines" and "techniques"

I think if we had

Strings

Stringing and Techniques

and

Stringing Machines

you'd have a good balance that would work....

i agree with this. and if not this, i agree with machines/techniques.
 

struggle

Legend
Looks that way. I've no idea why that would be. It seems like a good idea to me and to others. Oh well.....

until the idea is accepted let's just keep such discussion over here in machines.

while not a big participant, i'm not gonna weed through the strings forum to look for technical info/advice. i think others with similar interests will agree.
 

verbouge

Rookie
This particular thread appears to be dead

until the idea is accepted let's just keep such discussion over here in machines.

while not a big participant, i'm not gonna weed through the strings forum to look for technical info/advice. i think others with similar interests will agree.

You're right, tbug. There are a few detractors to talking about stringing technique here, but a majority seem supportive and totally get it.

I submitted this thread to the "Ask Tenniswarehouse" moderators, and this is what I got http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=4864577#post4864577. Kinda feels like a summary execution. But hey, if no one else is really complaining, then we can use "Machines" for "Technique" discussions.

Dave
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
^^^Saw that thread - I think it makes sense to have "strings" as one sub-section and "machines & stringing" as another, would allow those of us with more interest in the process to keep ideas flowing rather than being swamped with "which string will make my forehand better" threads.

Your campaign has my full support (for what that's worth :) )

Ash
 

goran_ace

Hall of Fame
I agree with the suggestion. The "Strings and Stringing" forum has morphed into "What's the Best Poly/Hybrid?" forum.

Agree with you 100%. It's a shame that the good, informative posts are so hard to find because you have to sift through all the 'what's the best poly' junk.
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
Looks like you formulated your question to imply a new sub-forum HAS to be created. I'm guessing Spencer doesn't have the time to really read through this entire thread. I posted the alternative for you.

(Make it easy for the admin staff, just garbage collecting takes a LOT of time.)
 

LMW

Rookie
Agree with you 100%. It's a shame that the good, informative posts are so hard to find because you have to sift through all the 'what's the best poly' junk.

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In a few years it will turn into the "Why Does My Arm Hurt?" forum.
 

rich s

Hall of Fame
So..... How does "Classic Racquet Talk" get/deserve it's own forum?

The least that can be done is rename the Strininging Machines forum....

:(
 

RogerRacket111

Semi-Pro
I agree they are different topics people can know a lot about strings but not know anything about stringing and same other way. They could combine stringing machines and stringing and leave strings alone.
 

beernutz

Hall of Fame
IMO, just change the names to
Stringing Machines and Stringing
and
Strings

Who do we have to bribe to get this done?
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
^^^Does that mean we have your support DD?

Does it really matter? :p

The change doesn't bother me, if that's what you're asking. I tend to sit on the more technical side of the fence, so having a section dedicated to technique is cool with me. I might even come and participate on my leisure time...
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
I personally, think stringing technique discussions should be in the "machines" group, because in most cases it has to do with a certain machine. A lot of the string technique threads get lost very easily in the string group. I think renaming the group would be the simplest solution, IMHO. There is no use to reinvent the wheel, when you just need to tweek it to make it run better.

As for your support, it's better that we have someone on our side than the other. ;)
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
Beer, it's starting to be a lost cause. TW Staff already gave thier position, and is standing by it. Basically, thier site, thier rules, period. That's what happens on a site run by a business. Other sites have specific groups dedicated to the topics we normally discuss.
 

TenniseaWilliams

Professional
Beer, it's starting to be a lost cause. TW Staff already gave thier position, and is standing by it. Basically, thier site, thier rules, period. That's what happens on a site run by a business. Other sites have specific groups dedicated to the topics we normally discuss.

More disrespect to our hosts, that should have a positive influence with them!
 

Lakers4Life

Hall of Fame
IF that were the case they should only limit forum membership to customers that have purchased from thier site. It's not OUR site, it's TW's site. I'm just pointing out the facts, disrespectful or not, that's a matter of opinion.
 

beernutz

Hall of Fame
More disrespect to our hosts, that should have a positive influence with them!
I fail to see anything disrespectful in what Lakers said.

This site is certainly owned by TW to do with what they wish. I don't see how the site's customers, which is what we are, making their preferences known is a problem. Good websites, imo, actually care about what their customers want and even go to the trouble of soliciting their opinions for change. I am not saying TW is not good for not wanting to make the change that has been suggested.
 

Luminous

Rookie
I couldn't agree more, i think be much better option having the stringing and strings as seperate forums or at least sub forums. So much good and useful information is lost by the same type of posts about string choice.
 
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