Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Federer couldn't break Roddick's serve hows he going to break Sampras' serve? Plus Sampras is a better returner than Roddick so be would get a few breaks on Federer's serve so no way Federer beats prime Sampras at Wimbledon.
Today backs my belief that Federer wouldn't beat prime Sampras on grass
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GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
For the OP
Umm, he did break Roddick's serve at the end, that's why the 5th set ended. And if you think that Federer was at his prime in this match then you are dillusional. Yes his serve was better then it usually was, but other things were not.
But as the other person said, until the time machine gets invented Federer still leads 1-0
All-rounder
Legend
Sampras fans quit it you got owned now federer has 15 and a french open over sampras you guys are pathetic all you have left to say is 'weak era this and that'
ninman
Hall of Fame
Actually he was 19 years old and Sampras was a 7 time champion and the current 4 time defending champion on a 31 match winning streak and Wimbledon.
ronalditop
Hall of Fame
Poor sampras fans, they cant accept the fact that roger is the GOAT and sampras is NOT.
fedtastic
Hall of Fame
akv89
Hall of Fame
Sampras couldn't break Agassi's serve in the 2001 USO QF, how's he going to break Federer's serve? You had to expect that one coming.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I still consider Sampras to be the greater grasscourter but IMO Fed would have his chances against Pete on every surface.They're both great players who would have challenged one another if both were in their primes.How would they precisely match-up I don't know as I don't have a time machine.
All-rounder
Legend
Well the 2001 4th round match at wimbledon was a preview of what federer would have done to sampras on grass
zagor
Bionic Poster
-One match is too small of a sample to conclude how the whole potential rivalry on grass would have went if they were the same generation.
-Neither player was in his prime in that match.
this is stupid... and why do you think Federer is in his prime?
half ready and half healthy he is still best there is! nw, i ma not a huge fan, i like tennis in general, but NOBODY comes even close to him - nobody! the fact is, today he was not at his best and he is STILL the champion! so think about it... and he is the only one ever, who makes it easy even stupid to watch tennis. look at his oponnents - people often say that he did not have the cmpetition samras had...OR, he is just that good that everyone else looks like a second class player?!?!?! decision is of course yours
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TennisandMusic
Guest
How can you take anything at all away from this match? Federer did not play well. A 2005/2006 Federer beats Roddick in 3 or MAYBE 4 at worst today. Federer's prime seems to be behind him, even though he is still able to win majors.
I'm pretty sure both guys in their prime would be a tough match for the other. It's probably not worth getting your panties in a bunch over.
I'm pretty sure both guys in their prime would be a tough match for the other. It's probably not worth getting your panties in a bunch over.
380pistol
Banned
Andy served out of his mind today. Well Sampras was known for doing that on Sunday's at Wimbledon. He held 127/131 serve games on Sunday. Not bad.
380pistol
Banned
Hohohohohohohohoho..............hihihihihihihihihihihihihi................... hahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This from the clown who said......
My god if you analyse stats that way Federer has a better serve than Sampras, Becker, Ivanisvic, Stich, Gonzales, Hoad...... and the list goes on. Cuz he serve 50 aces in a match that went 16-14 in the 5th set?!?
Sampras has served 20 aces in a match that was 3 sets or less more times in his career than Roger has served 20 aces in a match in his life!!!!!!!!! Enough said.
Oh by the way Sampras was broken 4 times in his 7 Wimbledon finals (5 final matches he was never broken), while Federer has been broken 17 times in his 7 finals (broken in 6 of his 7 final matches).
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zagor
Bionic Poster
Sorry,you're being sarcastic,right?
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
He's a troll look through his posts.
zagor
Bionic Poster
You're right.I just looked through some of his posts,they're simply hilarious.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
But Federer DID break Roddick. That's how he won the match.
Besides, Sampras in his prime served in the mid 120's, whereas, Roddick serves in the high 130's to low 140's.
sunny_cali
Semi-Pro
I simply dont see the logic here. Federer was nowhere close to his best, and I am sure Sampras has gone a few matches without breaking the opponent's serve. You can't really take one match in isolation and extrapolate what would have happened based on that.
That said, I agree that Sampras would have been a handful for Federer on grass. There's nobody in todays game who's got the balls to serve like Sampras (on 2nd serve) and back it up with aggressive volleying. I would go 6-4 in favor of Sampras on grass.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Maybe a 2005/2006 Roddick. Not the new 2009 Roddick.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
IMO Sampras had the perfect game for fast grass. Great 1st and 2nd serve, big forehand and close to perfection volleys. On the new grass things may be little different because it's significantly slower than before but I'd still give him a little edge. Let's say if they were to play in 10 meetings I'd give 6-4 H2H for Sampras(or 5-5 it depends how he'd adapt to the conditions and the fact that Federer is more consistent in GS than Sampras) and 7-3 on the old grass.
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Yikes, are you spinning around on the spot at home or wherever, festering in angst at the fact that Federer won, and how?
What gets me (and believe me the title of your thread has me laughing so loud that my wife has come in to see what's going on!) is that even after 2000+ posts you are still trying to compare a current player who many admire (and many don't) against someone who I am imagining is your idol (Sampras), and subsequently concluding something that is impossible to!
I've tears running down my cheeks as I type this....
:'-)I love you Cesc if for doing nothing but reminding me of Goram in Lord of The Rings - a character going mad, jumping around, obsessed....
Thanks for making my day!
sunny_cali
Semi-Pro
yes. However, Haas is'nt in Sampras' league as a server (especially the 2nd serve). Its really the combination -- clutch serving+great volleying (not to mention the running forehands).
Haas is pretty good on the serve and volley (not the 2nd serve), but it seemed to me he lacked belief in himself, and didnt employ the strategy against Fed, much to his detriment, IMHO -- he might have been able to take a set of Fed, otherwise.
oooh and why does Federer have 15 slams and roddick only has 1?
henryshli
Semi-Pro
When Federer played Sampras in Wimbledon Sampras still had his serve. He wasn't at his prime but he still had his serve.
Yes Federer struggled with Roddick's serves yesterday but how many times have they played each other?? 19-2 H2H. I'm sure Federer has broken him many times in their previous meetings.
Your conclusion that Federer couldn't have returned Sampras' serves based on yesterday's match alone is somehow silly. Federer also isn't in his prime. And also how is Sampras a better returner than Roddick? On what measure are you basing this on?
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
egghhh god...
I don't know if you were aware of this, but roddick can serve. I feel like downsizing the quality of his serve and making it sound like he's on par with say a dementieva. I don't think sampras would be serving nearly as fast as roddick was today if he played. I don't remember his clocking 140's.
I don't know if you were aware of this, but roddick can serve. I feel like downsizing the quality of his serve and making it sound like he's on par with say a dementieva. I don't think sampras would be serving nearly as fast as roddick was today if he played. I don't remember his clocking 140's.
Al Czervik
Hall of Fame
'99 Wimby final convinced me that Cesc is probably right on this (best returner ever playing his A game could not get a sniff), though obviously Fed's serve was 10x better than Agassi, so you can't discount that. Prime Fed v. prime Pete might look a lot like yesterday's result.
RalphNYC
Semi-Pro
He already did in 2001, no need for belief. Thanks for playing, and have a nice day.
380pistol
Banned
What's that??? Pete can block returns low for net rushers, on 2nd serves he can outright attack and take full cuts and be more effective on both wings. He can chip and come in. He's smarter, Pete would have figured out that 95% of the time Federer will kick his 2nd serve, mainly to the backhand side. He knew how to be opportunistic
Speaking of forehands, Sampras wide forehand much better than Andy's. Not the greatest, but better than he gets credit for. He knew he didn't have to due to his ability to hold serve, but watch the 4th set of the 2002 US Open final. Coasted til 3-3, did nothing, but then the last 2 games, you could clearly see him step it up and he roke at 4-4. How is this a qusetion???
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fedfanaticos are just amazing
prime sampras in 2001
ok...
so we cleared one thing now: sampras finished 2001 outside top 10
it means there are at least 10 players who are obviously a lot better than best sampras
thx for sharing those facts
thejoe
Hall of Fame
He did break Sampras' serve when they played. Sampras had a good serving day too. And I don't think Sampras is a good returner either.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Is Sampras in the same league has Connors/Agassi at returner no but he is a very good returner the way 380pistol described.
