Top 5 best male players per country (Open Era)

[TsitsiBH]

United States :
1 Sampras
2 Connors
3 Agassi
4 McEnroe
5 Courier/Ashe

Australia :
1 Laver
2 Rosewall
3 Newcombe
4 Hewitt
5 Rafter

Great Britain :
1 Murray
2 Henman
3 Rusedski
4 Norrie
5 Castle/Petchey

France :
1 Noah
2 Tsonga
3 Leconte
4 Pioline
5 Grosjean/Forget

Spain :
1 Nadal
2 Alcaraz
3 Ferrero
4 Moya
5 Bruguera

Czech Republic :
1 Lendl
2 Kodes
3 Berdych
4 Korda
5 Jiri Novak

Serbia :
1 Djokovic
2 Tipsarevic
3 Troicki
4 Lajovic
5 Djere

Italy :
1 Panatta
2 Sinner
3 Berrettini
4 Fognini
5 Seppi

Switzerland :
1 Federer
2 Wawrinka
3 Rosset
4 Gunthardt
5 Bastl

Argentina :
1 Vilas
2 Del Potro
3 Nalbandian
4 Coria
5 Clerc

Sweden :
1 Borg
2 Edberg
3 Wilander
4 Soderling
5 Enqvist/Norman

Russia :
1 Safin
2 Kafelnikov
3 Medvedev
4 Davydenko
5 Rublev

Germany :
1 Becker
2 Stich
3 Alex Zverev
4 Haas
5 Kiefer/Schuettler

Austria :
1 Muster
2 Thiem
3 Melzer
4 Koubek
5 Feigl

Canada :
1 Raonic
2 Auger-Aliassime
3 Shapovalov
4 Pospisil
5 Belkin

 

[Musterrific]

Austria :
1 Muster
2 Thiem
3 Melzer
4 Koubek
5 Feigl

I'd swap out Feigl for Skoff.

 

[TsitsiBH]

I'd swap out Feigl for Skoff.

Fair enough. Is my top 4 for Austria any decent ?

 

[NoleFam]

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[theaceproman]

United States :
1 Sampras
2 Connors
3 Agassi
4 McEnroe
5 Courier/Ashe

Australia :
1 Laver
2 Rosewall
3 Newcombe
4 Hewitt
5 Rafter

Great Britain :
1 Murray
2 Henman
3 Rusedski
4 Norrie
5 Castle/Petchey

France :
1 Noah
2 Tsonga
3 Leconte
4 Pioline
5 Grosjean/Forget

Spain :
1 Nadal
2 Alcaraz
3 Ferrero
4 Moya
5 Bruguera

Czech Republic :
1 Lendl
2 Kodes
3 Berdych
4 Korda
5 Jiri Novak

Serbia :
1 Djokovic
2 Tipsarevic
3 Troicki
4 Lajovic
5 Djere

Italy :
1 Panatta
2 Sinner
3 Berrettini
4 Fognini
5 Seppi

Switzerland :
1 Federer
2 Wawrinka
3 Rosset
4 Gunthardt
5 Bastl

Argentina :
1 Vilas
2 Del Potro
3 Nalbandian
4 Coria
5 Clerc

Sweden :
1 Borg
2 Edberg
3 Wilander
4 Soderling
5 Enqvist/Norman

Russia :
1 Safin
2 Kafelnikov
3 Medvedev
4 Rublev
5 Youzhny/Khachanov

Germany :
1 Becker
2 Stich
3 Alex Zverev
4 Haas
5 Kiefer/Schuettler

Austria :
1 Muster
2 Thiem
3 Melzer
4 Koubek
5 Feigl

Canada :
1 Raonic
2 Auger-Aliassime
3 Shapovalov
4 Pospisil
5 Belkin

I would say sinner over pannata, he has 3 wins over novak.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Spain :
1 Nadal
2 Alcaraz
3 Ferrero
4 Moya
5 Bruguera

1: Nadal
2: Santana
3: Alcaraz
4: Bruguera
5: Moya

 

[TsitsiBH]

1: Nadal
2: Santana
3: Alcaraz
4: Bruguera
5: Moya

I didn't rank Santana because he achieved most of his success before the Open Era

 

[Pheasant]

Happy belated welcome to TTW, @TsitsiBH

This is a great idea for a thread. I like your lists!

 

[The Blond Blur]

I didn't rank Santana because he achieved most of his success before the Open Era

Sure and I get that, I just think he did enough to be ranked ahead of everyone else sans Nadal.

 

[TsitsiBH]

Happy belated welcome to TTW, @TsitsiBH

This is a great idea for a thread. I like your lists!

Thank you very much ! I was a bit harsh towards the player in your avatar he could be anywhere from #2 to #4 to be fair

 

[RS]

For US most would probably say Sampras but some may say Pancho or Tilden.

 

[TsitsiBH]

For US most would probably say Sampras but some may say Pancho or Tilden.

Yes but I only ranked Open Era players. Don't know enough about tennis before 1968

 

[nolefam_2024]

United States :
1 Sampras
2 Connors
3 Agassi
4 McEnroe
5 Courier/Ashe

Australia :
1 Laver
2 Rosewall
3 Newcombe
4 Hewitt
5 Rafter

Great Britain :
1 Murray
2 Henman
3 Rusedski
4 Norrie
5 Castle/Petchey

France :
1 Noah
2 Tsonga
3 Leconte
4 Pioline
5 Grosjean/Forget

Spain :
1 Nadal
2 Alcaraz
3 Ferrero
4 Moya
5 Bruguera

Czech Republic :
1 Lendl
2 Kodes
3 Berdych
4 Korda
5 Jiri Novak

Serbia :
1 Djokovic
2 Tipsarevic
3 Troicki
4 Lajovic
5 Djere

Italy :
1 Panatta
2 Sinner
3 Berrettini
4 Fognini
5 Seppi

Switzerland :
1 Federer
2 Wawrinka
3 Rosset
4 Gunthardt
5 Bastl

Argentina :
1 Vilas
2 Del Potro
3 Nalbandian
4 Coria
5 Clerc

Sweden :
1 Borg
2 Edberg
3 Wilander
4 Soderling
5 Enqvist/Norman

Russia :
1 Safin
2 Kafelnikov
3 Medvedev
4 Rublev
5 Youzhny/Khachanov

Germany :
1 Becker
2 Stich
3 Alex Zverev
4 Haas
5 Kiefer/Schuettler

Austria :
1 Muster
2 Thiem
3 Melzer
4 Koubek
5 Feigl

Canada :
1 Raonic
2 Auger-Aliassime
3 Shapovalov
4 Pospisil
5 Belkin

Why Youzhney ? Khachanov is clear of him. A masters title and 3 slam semis. And Khachanov is not even 30.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Jamaica:

1 Dustin Brown
2
3
4
5

 

[NatF]

Mac > Agassi

 

[RS]

Yes but I only ranked Open Era players. Don't know enough about tennis before 1968

It's definitely easier to rank just open era..

 

[DSH]

Mac > Agassi

Courier >> Roddick.

 

[TsitsiBH]

Why Youzhney ? Khachanov is clear of him. A masters title and 3 slam semis. And Khachanov is not even 30.

Khachanov and Youzhny both have 2 Slams semis but Youzhny had to beat Nadal in one of these runs. Khachanov just too lucky with draws cuz he's useless against top 10 players

 

[DSH]

Khachanov and Youzhny both have 2 Slams semis but Youzhny had to beat Nadal in one of these runs. Khachanov just too lucky with draws cuz he's useless against top 10 players

He is more useless than Tsitsipas.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Khachanov and Youzhny both have 2 Slams semis but Youzhny had to beat Nadal in one of these runs. Khachanov just too lucky with draws cuz he's useless against top 10 players

I was misinformed. Khachanov has only 2 sf just like Youzhney but he is not useless. He won masters beating Djokovic.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Who cares if Khachanov is less accomplished than tsitsipas.

Tsitsipas is far better than Youzhney. So absolutely no need to bring him in.

Youzhney has done nothing at masters level.

Khachanov also has silver medal at Olympics but a true Rafa fan knows Olympics doesn't mean anything now.

 

[alexio]

kafel, marat, davy, meddy, metreveli

 

[SonnyT]

Japan

1. Nishikori

 

[Pheasant]

Thank you very much ! I was a bit harsh towards the player in your avatar he could be anywhere from #2 to #4 to be fair

No worries. I rank Mac #2. But I'm clearly biased, to be fair. The vast majority of fans would put Connors over Mac with his 109 titles, 3-slam year in 1974(won all 3 he played), along with his 268 weeks at #1. So I recognize that I'm basically on my own witih putting Mac over Connors. I do think that Mac has a strong case over Agassi, due to extreme his extreme dominance. But it's completely reasonable to put Agassi over Mac as well.

Anyway, this is a great thread and I like your list. I look forward to seeing some more of your work.

 

[NatF]

Courier >> Roddick.

Sure.

 

[TsitsiBH]

kafel, marat, davy, meddy, metreveli

I forgot about Davydenko so I just edited my Russia rankings to add him

 

[Topspin_80]

Barazzutti better than Fognini or Seppi.

 

[Topspin_80]

Gaudio won RG, beating Coria in the final.

Coria, Clerck, and Nalbandian, didn't win a major.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Mac > Agassi

8 slams and CGS > 7 slams and no CGS

 

[NatF]

8 slams and CGS > 7 slams and no CGS

Mac barely played the AO, had much better success indoors at the de facto fourth biggest tournament of his day and was number one much longer. It's Mac and it's not really close.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Mac barely played the AO, had much better success indoors at the de facto fourth biggest tournament of his day and was number one much longer. It's Mac and it's not really close.

Agassi missed the AO plenty of times too and it was his best slam.

Missing AO had no impact on Mac's lack of a CGS since he didn't win RG either.

Hewitt was #1 much longer than Becker, doesn't mean much if you are playing in different eras. Ríos was #1 and Wawrinka wasn't.

 

[Impressario]

Your lists show knowledge of the sport but your nickname looks like self-trolling

 

[RaulRamirez]

Good thread.
There may be a couple minor quibbles - and a few I'd have to look up further - but it looks good.

 

[TsitsiBH]

Gaudio won RG, beating Coria in the final.

Coria, Clerck, and Nalbandian, didn't win a major.

So what ? Gaudio's Slam was a fluke. He never did anything else of note.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

No worries. I rank Mac #2. But I'm clearly biased, to be fair. The vast majority of fans would put Connors over Mac with his 109 titles, 3-slam year in 1974(won all 3 he played), along with his 268 weeks at #1. So I recognize that I'm basically on my own witih putting Mac over Connors. I do think that Mac has a strong case over Agassi, due to extreme his extreme dominance. But it's completely reasonable to put Agassi over Mac as well.

Anyway, this is a great thread and I like your list. I look forward to seeing some more of your work.

I agree with you. Throw in Mac's doubles record and he's #1 American.

 

[Impetus]

Denmark:
1. Vitus
2. Nødskov
3. Rune
4. Holger
5. Kenneth Carlsen

 

[NatF]

Agassi missed the AO plenty of times too and it was his best slam.

Missing AO had no impact on Mac's lack of a CGS since he didn't win RG either.

Hewitt was #1 much longer than Becker, doesn't mean much if you are playing in different eras. Ríos was #1 and Wawrinka wasn't.

The AO was not really a major in McEnroe's prime, the fact you're trying to hold it over him is really revealing the extent of your historical understanding. The lack of FO is the thing Agassi has over Mac but it's not enough to outweigh everything else. The Hewitt vs Mac comparison is trash as there's a 4 slam gap and they're like two tiers apart as players, where as Mac and Agassi are in the same tier. If time at #1 doesn't mean much in different era's then why does slam count or anything else matter in that case?

Again Mac dominated indoors at a time when it was much more important than the AO, he was #1 a lot longer, he won a lot more tournaments etc...The FO and I guess longevity are where you could say Agassi wins but Mac was just the more dominant player and won more in a tougher and more competitive era.

 

[Sudacafan]

Cyprus best 5 is missing. Baghdatis terribly offended.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

The AO was not really a major in McEnroe's prime, the fact you're trying to hold it over him is really revealing the extent of your historical understanding. The lack of FO is the thing Agassi has over Mac but it's not enough to outweigh everything else. The Hewitt vs Mac comparison is trash as there's a 4 slam gap and they're like two tiers apart as players, where as Mac and Agassi are in the same tier. If time at #1 doesn't mean much in different era's then why does slam count or anything else matter in that case?

Again Mac dominated indoors at a time when it was much more important than the AO, he was #1 a lot longer, he won a lot more tournaments etc...The FO and I guess longevity are where you could say Agassi wins but Mac was just the more dominant player and won more in a tougher and more competitive era.

Uh? I precisely said that ignoring the AO he still didn't win all the majors as he didn't win RG.

He was #1 a lot longer at a different era and with a different ranking system. Moya, Rafter, Ferrero or Ríos got to #1 but they are not better than Wawrinka who didn't even get to #2. Agassi was contemporary with Sampras who is the guy that won the most in the Open Era pre-Big 3. Would McEnroe get as many weeks at #1 competing with Sampras?

Agassi at his best was very dominant, making 4 slam finals in a row and winning 3, he was essentially ONE match away from winning all 4 slams in a ROW, at a time when outside of Laver nobody had even won all the slams in their whole career in the open era. And that match he missed was Sampras at Wimbledon.

Sure, he never had a year like McEnroe in '84, but then McEnroe had crap longevity compared to Agassi, winning his last slam at 25, while Agassi was winning at 33 and also being #1 at that age. McEnroe made a slam final for the last time at 26 and Agassi did at 35.

 

[GoatNo1]

boba zivoinovic >>>>> lajovic and djere

 

[RS]

Mac Connors Agassi Lendl order seems be a tight group

 

[RaulRamirez]

Mac Connors Agassi Lendl order seems be a tight group

I agree. I also tend to put Agassi a shade below the other three, although I can see the case for him. I'm also not totally decided on the order of Lendl, Jimbo and Mac - maybe as I have them here?

 

[Topspin_80]

So what ? Gaudio's Slam was a fluke. He never did anything else of note.

What he did, put him in the select club of Slam winners.

He beat Coria in the final, Nalbandian in SF, and Hewitt in QF.

That was no fluke, Gaudio was a good dirt-baller.

 

[Musterrific]

Fair enough. Is my top 4 for Austria any decent ?

Actually I'd put Skoff at 4 and Koubek at 5.

Hmmm, just remembered Schaller - he might be ahead of Koubek too.

 

[Incognito]

Sweden :
1 Borg
2 Edberg
3 Wilander
4 Soderling
5 Enqvist/Norman

Johansson after Wilander and then maybe Pernfors.

 

[GloW]

I would say sinner over pannata, he has 3 wins over novak.

panatta beat a prime bjorn borg and sinner beat a 36 year old djokovic. hmmmmm... Sinner is DEFINETELY better obviosly. bruh

 

[BeatlesFan]

Mac > Agassi

Agassi has the CGS. It's impossible to put Mac ahead of Andre when Agassi has one more slam and Mac never won either RG or the AO.

 

[TsitsiBH]

Johansson after Wilander and then maybe Pernfors.

Johansson is not better than Soderling he's another fluke artist. Soderling's runs in both RG 2009 and RG 2010 are far better than Johansson's AO 2002.

What he did, put him in the select club of Slam winners.

He beat Coria in the final, Nalbandian in SF, and Hewitt in QF.

That was no fluke, Gaudio was a good dirt-baller.

Gaudio is the ultimate fluke he got to a Slam QF only once in his career. Never won a Masters title either.

 

[insideguy]

Agassi has the CGS. It's impossible to put Mac ahead of Andre when Agassi has one more slam and Mac never won either RG or the AO.

The counter to that is Mac doesn't even go to an Aussie open till 1983. Makes the semis in 1983. Doesn't go the next year. He just barely went there. People need to separate the eras and the slam stuff. Overall Mac was a better player. Davis Cup was more important, playing the Aussie open was not.


You have to remember this is a dude who wins us open in 79, 80, 81. Wins Wim in 81. Doesn't even bother to show up at Aussie till 83. NO ONE GAVE A CRAP about that tournament up to that point.

 

[Gizo]

In the US list from open era male legends Sampras is definitely no. 1, Agassi is definitely no. 4 and Courier is definitely no. 5.

The real debate is whether Connors or Mac is no. 2 (clearly they are both ahead of Agassi). I regularly change my mind there as they both have big, notable advantages over the other.

All things considered, if I was pro player (in my dreams) and choose either players’ career accomplishments (even more so in my dreams), I’d lean towards Mac’s.