Watch Nadal's "tough" draw evaporate in the Melbourne heat
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dominikk1985
Legend
uncle is cheating again paying them to lose or retire.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Hardly.....
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Nadal about his next round 570 ranked player :
"He has a great future and will be a very tough match for me if I am not able to play my best."
"He has a great future and will be a very tough match for me if I am not able to play my best."
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
LOL, those are almost exactly Fred's words. I remember him calling someone a "dangerous opponent"
NatF
Bionic Poster
Tough for him if he doesn't play his best -- easy for him if he does
Nothing wrong with what he said really, although it is abit funny seeing as Rafa in C mode could beat this kid in straight.
Chico
Banned
He was in Nadal's draw.
Are you aware of how the draw works? The number 1 and 2 ranked players are likely to get the best draws. Nadal has been ranked either 1 or 2 at all majors he has played except for the French/Wimbledon 2013, so it is not surprising that his draws have been good. Federer letting his ranking drop out of the top 4 has made his life more difficult, as he now has a 75% chance of drawing Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray in the quarters.
That said, Federer appears to have one of the most difficult draws I have ever seen him face. He would likely need to beat Tsonga, Murray, Nadal, and Djokovic from the 4th round on in order to win. Even his 3rd round match against Verdasco is not easy, as Verdasco has played well at this event in the past. He is lucky that Stepanek retired from his 1st round match because that would have been one of the toughest opponents he could have drawn in round 2.
Tomic is ranked number 57 in the world and as such is a more difficult 1st round opponent than most other possible players Nadal could have drawn.
I did not take your post out of context. I simply do not have time for and am not interested in looking through all of your other posts to try and figure out if you were consistent in your stance that Del Potro was a difficult player to have in a top player's quarter.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Not really..............
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
It was never that difficult on paper or in reality if you really think about it. Tomic or Hewitt were not going to beat Nadal no matter how in form they were. Monfils and Nishikori should pose little danger. Del Potro is the first guy who "may" trouble Nadal imo but I doubt it.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Not really. The top 4 are randomly drawn into a quarter so technically all of their draws could be equally easy or difficult. It is not like #1 and #2 get the easier quarters, the only easy part for them is that they don't get to face each other before the finals. Anyway, the difficulty level for a semi is mostly based on matchups and not real rankings. For eg, say, if Fed is ranked #1 and Nadal is #4, Fed would gladly meet #2 or #3 in the semis than the #4, right ?
In my post, I was only referring to the time when Fed was in the top 4, basically when Fed-Nadal-Murray-Djoker were the top 4 and all 4 had equal chances of drawing a given quarterfinalist. Most often, it would be Fed getting a hot, in form player like Tsonga in his quarter, while Nadal has not played Tsonga at a slam since AO 2008.
Now that Fed is ranked outside the top 5 and is old,injured and declined, no draw is going to help him, so talking about his draws is a moot point.
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Solo
Banned
Not with his tanking strategy he isn't.
At least the others would have completed the sets even if they lost 3 sets against Nadal, Tomic is getting more and more dissapointing, especially by the Aussie fans. Look at Hewitt, did a 5 setter who's like 10 years older than Tomic...but then again, what do you expect from Tomic who said Hewitt isn't good enough to be a hitting partner for him.
Total joke.
Crisstti
Legend
Exactly. Apparently Murray is playing very well...
Hilarious anyway seeing haters whine yet some more. If Rafa gets an easy draw, they whine, then they whine preemptively about the easy draw he will get (they do this every single time... with silly conspiracy undertones), then he gets a tough draw and what they do?, oh yeah. They whine.
Even if Rafa losses early, like against Rosol in that famous match, what were they doing after that?, whining about shoulder bumps and what not
This is incorrect. 1 and 2 are always placed in opposite halves as are 3 and 4. As a result, someone ranked 3 or 4 will typically get a tougher semi match than someone ranked 1 or 2. When Federer was ranked 3 and Nadal and Djokovic were ranked 1 and 2 (and all 3 were playing much better than the rest of the tour), the number 3 ranking definitely made it more difficult for Federer. Federer was guaranteed to face either Nadal or Djokovic in the semi, while Nadal and Djokovic both had a 50% chance to get an easy semi.
A draw can still make a big difference in how well Federer does and his chances to win another major. His chances would go way up if he had drawn Almagro instead of Tsonga and Ferrer instead of Djokovic in his 4th and quarterfinal matchups.
I am not arguing that Tomic is not a total joke, but he is definitely a tougher first round match than most Nadal could have drawn, regardless of how it actually played out.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
You decide that watching him play Soeda ? Too early to say.
So now making an informed prediction about Nadal's draw is 'whining' ? What is with Nadal fans' obsession with the word whining ? Just because your hero does it all the time doesn't mean everything said about him here can be termed 'whining' , you know ?
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Did you read my post ? I was talking of quarters for the top 4 and also admitted that the top 2 have the advantage of not playing each other in the semis (which obviously is because they are in opposite halves)
This is not always correct and I explained why with an example in my earlier post. Margins between top 4 players (especially when Fed-Nadal-Djoko-Murray were the top 4) are so small that matchups matter more than the actual ranking.
Crisstti
Legend
It sure as hell is too early to say Murray's no threat as well.
So now making an informed prediction about Nadal's draw is 'whining' ? What is with Nadal fans' obsession with the word whining ? Just because your hero does it all the time doesn't mean everything said about him here can be termed 'whining' , you know ?
It's not an informed prediction. It's preemptive whining
Forehand Of Doom
Banned
Exactly. Apparently Murray is playing very well...
Hilarious anyway seeing haters whine yet some more. If Rafa gets an easy draw, they whine, then they whine preemptively about the easy draw he will get (they do this every single time... with silly conspiracy undertones), then he gets a tough draw and what they do?, oh yeah. They whine.
Even if Rafa losses early, like against Rosol in that famous match, what were they doing after that?, whining about shoulder bumps and what not
They should open a Whinery.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
They should open a Whinery.
And Sbengte will be the CEO of the Whinery Brigade of Miserable Whining....:twisted:
Their specialty whine is M.I.S.E.R.I.E.S
Man I Suffer Everytime Rafa Is Enjoying and Succeeding ........:lol:
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monfed
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Ralph made a deal with Bernie that he would buy him some dances if he tanked. Looks like Bernie took it. :lol:
Forehand Of Doom
Banned
ksbh
Banned
As big a whiner as Federer is, his fans are even worse. LOL, I nearly purchased the Feddie fans new book ... "Like player, like fan!"
Can someone tell me when Djokovic's next match will be played? We need some peace in this forum so hopefully the Federer fans will be busy cheer-leading for Nole!
Can someone tell me when Djokovic's next match will be played? We need some peace in this forum so hopefully the Federer fans will be busy cheer-leading for Nole!
I never said that it was always correct. I disagree strongly that Federer dropping out of the top 2 did not hurt his chances at slams as you seem to be suggesting.
Bud
Bionic Poster
:lol::lol::lol:
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Deleted member 3771
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Tomic still hasn't won a set v the King.
Forehand Of Doom
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TheF1Bob
Banned
Humpty Dumpty will crack. Nadal to have scrambled egg for dinner.
Calm your forehand of doom Obama.
They are friends. 8)
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Forehand Of Doom
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rofaol nodol
New User
Raonic is still there!
rofaol nodol
New User
And at least Monfils made it. I can see Gayel taking at least a set.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
And people made a big deal of Nadal drawing Delpo while it is well known that Delpo has a bad track record at the AO.
Anyway, the script seems to be playing out exactly like I thought. This Delpo may not make it to quarters let alone beat Nadal.
(I don't know if it is the effect of stupidly playing Sydney).
pds999
Hall of Fame
Compared to Novak's draw it is herculean.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
I feel Wawa will push Novak more than anyone in Nadal's draw will push him. Let us wait and see.
In general, Nadal is a lucky chap. He only draws tough players in a tournament where they are not at their best or will bomb out early, so this is not surprising :lol:
NatF
Bionic Poster
Not anymore it looks like.
TheF1Bob
Banned
About that...
thejoe
Hall of Fame
Raonic and Monfils do not a tough draw make...
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Deleted member 3771
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Le Monf was on fire, this has to be the toughest 3rd round match.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
Le Monf is about as capable of taking out Rafa at a slam as I am. I don't think any of the top guys - Tsonga aside - have a particularly worrying 3rd round.
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