Wawrinka, Berdych, Tsonga, Ferrer, Cilic- Who is the best and worst of these 5
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MeatTornado
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Stan really shouldn't be here. He's easily the best of this list, and there's few arguments for saying del Potro is definitely above him. There's a reason it was called "The Big 5" for a little while.
RaulRamirez
Legend
Outside of the majors (slams, in today's parlance), I don't know if Stan is that far ahead of the others, but you can't take away 3 majors, so yes, he's ahead of the others. I've never really known how to rank Berdych, Ferrer and Tsonga who were consistent Top 10 and a little better. Without researching, I'd probably rank this group: Stan (easily), Cilic, Berdych, Ferrer, Tsonga, but those last three are very close.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Stan best
Cilic worst..
Yes I know he has a slam, and ferrer & co. Don't...but still cilic is worst.
He chokes from winning positions all the time, and has combiningly 4 wins against big 3... 3 of them came when fedovic were playing dogsheet/notInForm...
He has capabilities and still lets himself down by wrong strategies....
Goes to grind out with djokodal and tries to play hyper agressive versus federer...
Cilic worst..
Yes I know he has a slam, and ferrer & co. Don't...but still cilic is worst.
He chokes from winning positions all the time, and has combiningly 4 wins against big 3... 3 of them came when fedovic were playing dogsheet/notInForm...
He has capabilities and still lets himself down by wrong strategies....
Goes to grind out with djokodal and tries to play hyper agressive versus federer...
OldschoolKIaus
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lol I don't know where to start.
RF-18
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Cilic really isn't that good.Cilic worst
guitarra
Professional
The best? Is this a serious question? How can you compare a 3-time slam champion who defeated all time greats on route to his every slam with a one-slam wonder or barely slam finalists? Stanimal is the best of them and by far.
The worst? It's debatable, I'd probably go with Ferrer who was very consistent but had a lower peak level.
The worst? It's debatable, I'd probably go with Ferrer who was very consistent but had a lower peak level.
RF-18
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But that's right, you think Hewitt/Roddick were worse than this mug... LMAO.
Freddy Cat
Professional
Wawrinka
Ferrer: very consistent, but an absolute pushover for big 3.
Berdych: fairly consistent, could actually pose a threat to big 3 in his prime.
Tsonga: very inconsistent, can challenge the big 3 at peak level, but cannot maintain level like Wawrinka can.
Cilic: Doping mug who has taken advantage of a weak era.
Ferrer: very consistent, but an absolute pushover for big 3.
Berdych: fairly consistent, could actually pose a threat to big 3 in his prime.
Tsonga: very inconsistent, can challenge the big 3 at peak level, but cannot maintain level like Wawrinka can.
Cilic: Doping mug who has taken advantage of a weak era.
Vanilla Slice
Professional
Wawrinka is most talented
Ferrer is least talented
Rankings of who id want:
1. Wawrinka
2. Cilic
3. Ferrer
4. Berdych
5. Tsonga
Ferrer is least talented
Rankings of who id want:
1. Wawrinka
2. Cilic
3. Ferrer
4. Berdych
5. Tsonga
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Great conclusion reached.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Wawrinka
Tsonga/Cilic - Cilic achievement wise but Tsonga has had more peak showings
Berdych
Ferrer
Tsonga/Cilic - Cilic achievement wise but Tsonga has had more peak showings
Berdych
Ferrer
mike danny
Bionic Poster
The premise of your thread is wrong to begin with. Stan doesn't belong with the others. And only a Delpo fanboy would put him in a Big 5.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I'd add Soderling in the list containing Berdych, Ferrer, Tsonga, Cilic and Delpo.
Ferrer is by far the worst.
Ferrer is by far the worst.
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roger presley
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I've made a huge mistake and I can't get it right.
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Soderling was quite a solid player from 2009-2011.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
More solid than Ferrer, that's for sure. His prime was just cut short by mono.
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He had a dominating H2H record against Ferrer too.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Cilic is useless, he got hot for one tournament, hasn't even played half as well before or after.
I seriously see him as the worst player from this group, even worse than Ferrer.
I seriously see him as the worst player from this group, even worse than Ferrer.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nah, Cilic is at least upset potential. Ferrer not even close.
Prabhanjan
Professional
How can del Potro be ahead of Wawrinka He has been unfortunate, I agree. And then same benefit can be extended to Wawrinka that what would have happened if Norman had happened to him early in life.
Also, with three finals, Cilic is way ahead of Ferrer, Tsonga, and Berdych. Likes apart, this can't be a question. Same as Soderling, between 2009FO-2010FO, he accomplished more than anybody else apart from Wawrinka and Cilic.
He has been unfortunate, I agree. And then same benefit can be extended to Wawrinka that what would have happened if Norman had happened to him early in life. Also, with three finals, Cilic is way ahead of Ferrer, Tsonga, and Berdych. Likes apart, this can't be a question. Same as Soderling, between 2009FO-2010FO, he accomplished more than anybody else apart from Wawrinka and Cilic.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Cilic worst
Yes,
Out of the players mentioned above, cilic is worst
Becausr if you fail/underachieve despite your high potential, then you're not good
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Stanimal will make them all kiss the ring. Can only imagine the carnage if it was mythical Stanimal.
Purplemonster
Hall of Fame
Stan has won 3 out of the 4 majors, enough said.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Between 2009FO-2011WimbledonHow can del Potro be ahead of Wawrinka
Also, with three finals, Cilic is way ahead of Ferrer, Tsonga, and Berdych. Likes apart, this can't be a question. Same as Soderling, between 2009FO-2010FO, he accomplished more than anybody else apart from Wawrinka and Cilic.
He won Paris 2010 and reached #4 in late 2010, also in his last tournament, he crushed Ferrer and Berdych losing only 5 games in both matches combined.
Stan is better than all of these guys combined, he shouldn’t be in this poll. Cilic is a solid second.
After that it gets tough. Ferrer and Berdych have been much more consistent than Tsonga, but Tsonga has two Masters to their 1 each. Ferrer is even more consistent than Berdych, but he is truly useless against the big 4. Berdych and Tsonga were better (but still not great) against them.
The deciding factor may be total titles. Ferrer has way more than the other two at 27. So I’d rank him first. Tsonga has 16. Berdych, even though he has been way more consistent in the rankings than Tsonga, surprisingly only has 13 titles to his name. So I’m giving him the title of worst.
After that it gets tough. Ferrer and Berdych have been much more consistent than Tsonga, but Tsonga has two Masters to their 1 each. Ferrer is even more consistent than Berdych, but he is truly useless against the big 4. Berdych and Tsonga were better (but still not great) against them.
The deciding factor may be total titles. Ferrer has way more than the other two at 27. So I’d rank him first. Tsonga has 16. Berdych, even though he has been way more consistent in the rankings than Tsonga, surprisingly only has 13 titles to his name. So I’m giving him the title of worst.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Let them meet in 2012-13.
Lew II
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Let peak Ferrer meet Hewitt in 2005.
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Soderling would still lead because he is better than Ferrer.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Why do you mention Soderling's h2h who retired before Ferrer's peak then?
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Ferrer didn't peak then. He peaked earlier.
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