Weak or Strong?

[Deleted member 77403]

OK, so this is a little game, where you personally decide if something is weak or strong. Just go down the list, and decide whether you feel it is weak or strong. For instance, is a specific season weak or strong, a specific slam weak or strong, a specific rivalry weak or strong, a specific event weak or strong. We will start at 2003, since that is the start of the modern era - The rise of Federer.

Example 2003 - Strong

Seasons - Weak or Strong?
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018

Rivalry - Weak or Strong?
Federer v Nadal
Nadal v Djokovic
Federer v Djokovic
Nadal v Murray
Federer v Murray
Djokovic v Murray
Federer v Del Potro
Djokovic v Wawrinka
Murray v Del Potro
Del Potro v Nadal
Murray v Wawrinka
Wawrinka v Federer
Nadal v Wawrinka
Federer v Hewitt
Federer v Roddick
Roddick v Djokovic
Hewitt v Nadal
Djokovic v Del Potro
Del Potro v Wawrinka
Roddick v Hewitt
Safin v Roddick
Safin v Federer
Hewitt v Safin
Federer v Agassi
Davydenko v Federer
Nadal v Davydenko
Cilic v Federer
Nadal v Cilic
Djokovic v Cilic
Cilic v Murray
Federer V Nalbandian
Nadal v Nalbandian
Nalbandian v Hewitt
Federer v Ferrero
Hewitt v Ferrero
Roddick v Ferrero

Event - Weak or Strong?
AO
IW
Miami
MC
Madrid
Rome
RG
W
Canada
Cincinnati
USO
Shanghai
Paris Indoors
WTF
Olympics
Davis Cup

Slams - Weak or Strong?
AO 03, AO 04, AO 05, AO 06, AO 07, AO 08, AO 09, AO 10, AO 11, AO 12, AO 13, AO 14, AO 15, AO 16, AO 17, AO 18
RG 03, RG 04, RG 05, RG 06, RG 07, RG 08, RG 09, RG 10, RG 11, RG 12, RG 13, RG 14, RG 15, RG 16, RG 17, RG 18
W 03, W 04, W 05, W 06, W 07, W 08, W 09, W 10, W 11, W 12, W 13, W 14, W 15, W 16, W 17, W 18
USO 03, USO 04, USO 05, USO 06, USO 07, USO 08, USO 09, USO 10, USO 11, USO 12, USO 13, USO 14, USO 15, USO 16, USO 17, USO 18

 

[NatF]

Anything in between or just one or the other?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Anything in between or just one or the other?

If you feel it is right in the middle, then say medium if you want, otherwise it is tilting to either weak or strong.

 

[Zhilady]

They’re all strong.

 

[JMR]

I'm supposed to rate ~130 complex items individually?

Can I just assign a W or S to the entire post?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I'm supposed to rate ~130 complex items individually?

Can I just assign a W or S to the entire post?

Yeah, sure. However you want.

 

[StannisTheMannis]

Fedr

 

[Eye Test]

WEAK:

2003-2006, 2010, 2016-

AVERAGE:

2007, 2014-2015

STRONG:

2008-2009, 2011-2013

 

[RS]

Strong
AO 2005,AO 2009,AO 2010,AO 2012,AO 2013,AO 2014,AO 2017
Middle-AO 2004,AO 2006,AO 2015,AO 2016
Easier (not easy) AO 2003,AO 2007,AO 2008,AO 2018

Strong
RG 2005,RG 2006,RG 2007,RG 2009,RG 2011,RG 2013
Middle(still good)RG 2010,RG 2014,RG 2015,RG 2018
Easier(not easy) RG 2016-2017
Strong
Wimbeldon 2004,Wimbledon 2007,Wimbledon 2008,Wimbledon 2009,Wimbeldon 2012,Wimbledon 2013,Wimbledon 2014,Wimbeldon 2018
Middle-Wimbeldon 2005-2006,Wimbeldon 2010,Wimbeldon 2015,Wimbeldon 2016 and Wimbeldon 2003 and Wimbeldon 2011
Easier(not easy). Wimbeldon 2017
Strong
USO 2003, USO 2005,USO 2007,USO 2008,USO 2009,USO 2010,USO 2011,
Middle-USO 2004 USO 2013,2014,2015,2018
Easier (not easy). USO 2016-2017

Years
2003-ATG class
2004-Good
2005. Good
2006. Easier (not easy)
2007 ATG class
2008 ATG class
2009 ATG class
2010. Easier not easy
2011 ATG class
2012 ATG class (the best of them IMO(
2013 ATG class
2014 Very Good
2015-Good
2016-Easier but not easy
2017-Easier but not easy
2018-Not finished yet.
Overall
2012
2009=2011
2008
2013
2007
2003
2014
2015=2005
2004
2010
2006
2017
2016
2018=still in progress
Sorry for cheating. I don’t like the word weak. I think all slams in pro sports are stronger than we imagine as fans.

 

[Devin]

2003 - Strong
2004 - Strong
2005 - Strong
2006 - Weak
2007 - Strong
2008 - Strong
2009 - Strong
2010 - Weak
2011 - Strong
2012 - Strong
2013 - Strong
2014 - Weak
2015 - Weak
2016 - Weak
2017 - WEAK
2018 - WEAK

 

[NoleFam]

WEAK:

2003-2006, 2010, 2016-

AVERAGE:

2007, 2014-2015

STRONG:

2008-2009, 2011-2013

This is probably how I would describe the years as well, verbatim.

 

[Red Rick]

This is the right approach to things, although I disagree that rivalries are weak or strong. They change a lot over time.

Also, weak/strong doesn't say much about distribution accross surfaces, and top heaviness, etc.

For example I'd consider the mid 2000s to be average but pretty deep.

 

[Devin]

WEAK:

2003-2006, 2010, 2016-

AVERAGE:

2007, 2014-2015

STRONG:

2008-2009, 2011-2013

Looks like another failed eye test.

 

[StannisTheMannis]

WEAK:

2003-2006, 2010, 2016-

AVERAGE:

2007, 2014-2015

STRONG:

2008-2009, 2011-2013

06-10 I would classify as average to strong tbh

 

[RS]

WEAK:

2003-2006, 2010, 2016-

AVERAGE:

2007, 2014-2015

STRONG:

2008-2009, 2011-2013

Good list but 2007 was very strong IMO.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

All we do know is that Federer beasted eternity, and that Nadal and Djokovic rode his coattails.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

This is the right approach to things, although I disagree that rivalries are weak or strong. They change a lot over time.

Also, weak/strong doesn't say much about distribution accross surfaces, and top heaviness, etc.

For example I'd consider the mid 2000s to be average but pretty deep.

There is no right or wrong, it is about how you personally feel about that specific thing overall. Just go with what you think and feel.

 

[Russeljones]

Does it have a daughter?

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

2003 US Open wasn't weak. It was pathetic.

That is all.

 

[VoodooChild24]

TLDR

 

[Devin]

2003 US Open wasn't weak. It was pathetic.

That is all.

2003 wasn't weak at all. You had Nalbandian playing fine, Roddick not playing POWDERPUFF shots, Ferrero having some game on HC instead of being a DIRT BALLER.

2017 and 2018 USO however were UTTERLY CRAPOLA WEAK. WEAK top 10, WEAK finalists. Players worse than they were before. HORRIBLE.

 

[mika1979]

Just looked it up it reminds me of a couple of oz opens Agassi vultured

 

[Deleted member 716271]

2003 wasn't weak at all. You had Nalbandian playing fine, Roddick not playing POWDERPUFF shots, Ferrero having some game on HC instead of being a DIRT BALLER.

2017 and 2018 USO however were UTTERLY CRAPOLA WEAK. WEAK top 10, WEAK finalists. Players worse than they were before. HORRIBLE.

dude the 90sclay impression isnt working that well for you

 

[mika1979]

2003 US Open wasn't weak. It was pathetic.

That is all.

It was a sad pitiful collection of tennis dregs

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

2003 wasn't weak at all. You had Nalbandian playing fine, Roddick not playing POWDERPUFF shots, Ferrero having some game on HC instead of being a DIRT BALLER.

2017 and 2018 USO however were UTTERLY CRAPOLA WEAK. WEAK top 10, WEAK finalists. Players worse than they were before. HORRIBLE.

Just referring to the US Open.

I will never forgive Nalbandian for that choke.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

If Fed won more than one slam in a year it was a weak year

 

[mika1979]

dude the 90sclay impression isnt working that well for you

Ferraro having some game, must have been a blink and you’ll miss it moment. Sad that Roddick won a slam completely undeserving

 

[Devin]

dude the 90sclay impression isnt working that well for you

I was trying, that's the problem.

 

[-NN-]

Seasons - Weak or Strong?

2003 - weak
2004 - weak
2005 - weak
2006 - weak
2007 - weak
2008 - medium
2009 - strong
2010 - medium
2011 - strong
2012 - strong
2013 - medium
2014 - medium
2015 - strong
2016 - strong
2017 - medium
2018 - medium

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Seasons - Weak or Strong?

2003 - weak
2004 - weak
2005 - weak
2006 - weak
2007 - weak
2008 - medium
2009 - strong
2010 - medium
2011 - strong
2012 - strong
2013 - medium
2014 - medium
2015 - strong
2016 - strong
2017 - medium
2018 - medium

Agreed although would put 2009 as medium and 2010 as strong

 

[Tennisgods]

Well, replies so far have been totally predictable. Did we really have to do this just to find out who was a fan of which player? Because that’s all that’s happening here.

 

[swordtennis]

Seasons - Weak or Strong?

2003 - weak
2004 - weak
2005 - weak
2006 - weak
2007 - weak
2008 - medium
2009 - strong
2010 - medium
2011 - strong
2012 - strong
2013 - medium
2014 - medium
2015 - strong
2016 - strong
2017 - medium
2018 - medium

Ditto. Only difference 2005 is medium.

 

[swordtennis]

Well, replies so far have been totally predictable. Did we really have to do this just to find out who was a fan of which player? Because that’s all that’s happening here.

Are you saying years without fed djokovic nadal and murray are stronger than ones without? Is that what you want us to reflect in our votes?

 

[-NN-]

Well, replies so far have been totally predictable. Did we really have to do this just to find out who was a fan of which player? Because that’s all that’s happening here.

Based on my attempt, which players would you say I'm a fan of?

 

[mike danny]

WEAK:

2003-2006, 2010, 2016-

AVERAGE:

2007, 2014-2015

STRONG:

2008-2009, 2011-2013

Agreed, except 2004-2005. They were medium.

 

[mike danny]

Strong
AO 2005,AO 2009,AO 2010,AO 2012,AO 2013,AO 2014,AO 2017
Middle-AO 2004,AO 2006,AO 2015,AO 2016
Easier (not easy) AO 2003,AO 2007,AO 2008,AO 2018

Strong
RG 2005,RG 2006,RG 2007,RG 2009,RG 2011,RG 2013
Middle(still good)RG 2010,RG 2014,RG 2015,RG 2018
Easier(not easy) RG 2016-2017
Strong
Wimbeldon 2004,Wimbledon 2007,Wimbledon 2008,Wimbledon 2009,Wimbeldon 2012,Wimbledon 2013,Wimbledon 2014,Wimbeldon 2018
Middle-Wimbeldon 2005-2006,Wimbeldon 2010,Wimbeldon 2015,Wimbeldon 2016 and Wimbeldon 2003 and Wimbeldon 2011
Easier(not easy). Wimbeldon 2017
Strong
USO 2003, USO 2005,USO 2007,USO 2008,USO 2009,USO 2010,USO 2011,
Middle-USO 2004 USO 2013,2014,2015,2018
Easier (not easy). USO 2016-2017

Years
2003-ATG class
2004-Good
2005. Good
2006. Easier (not easy)
2007 ATG class
2008 ATG class
2009 ATG class
2010. Easier not easy
2011 ATG class
2012 ATG class (the best of them IMO(
2013 ATG class
2014 Very Good
2015-Good
2016-Easier but not easy
2017-Easier but not easy
2018-Not finished yet.
Overall
2012
2009=2011
2008
2013
2007
2003
2014
2015=2005
2004
2010
2006
2017
2016
2018=still in progress
Sorry for cheating. I don’t like the word weak. I think all slams in pro sports are stronger than we imagine as fans.

That's quite impreswive. Bravo.

 

[mike danny]

This is probably how I would describe the years as well, verbatim.

I see 2004-2005 as medium. Not weak. Not strong.

 

[EloQuent]

Based on my attempt, which players would you say I'm a fan of?

Djokovic, maybe Murray. Not Nadal.

 

[mike danny]

2003 wasn't weak at all. You had Nalbandian playing fine, Roddick not playing POWDERPUFF shots, Ferrero having some game on HC instead of being a DIRT BALLER.

2017 and 2018 USO however were UTTERLY CRAPOLA WEAK. WEAK top 10, WEAK finalists. Players worse than they were before. HORRIBLE.

It' ok, everyone knows why he said that and I can't do anything but like his post

 

[-NN-]

Djokovic, maybe Murray. Not Nadal.

Spot on. Huge Djokovic and Murray fan and completely against Nadal. Meh on Fed.

 

[MasturB]

F E D R
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[mike danny]

Ferraro having some game, must have been a blink and you’ll miss it moment. Sad that Roddick won a slam completely undeserving

Gee, I wonder why...

 

[mike danny]

Seasons - Weak or Strong?

2003 - weak
2004 - weak
2005 - weak
2006 - weak
2007 - weak
2008 - medium
2009 - strong
2010 - medium
2011 - strong
2012 - strong
2013 - medium
2014 - medium
2015 - strong
2016 - strong
2017 - medium
2018 - medium

I don't agree with 2004, 2005 and 2007 being weaker than 2016, 2017 and 2018.

 

[TheAssassin]

2005 ftw

 

[-NN-]

I don't agree with 2004, 2005 and 2007 being weaker than 2016, 2017 and 2018.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

OK fair enough.

 

[NoleFam]

I see 2004-2005 as medium. Not weak. Not strong.

Maybe 2005 yea. 2004? Federer didn't lose a match to anyone in the top 10 that year. 18-0. I wouldn't categorize that one as strong.

 

[Zeref]

I was going to post a broad classification

Strong
AO 2005,AO 2009,AO 2010,AO 2012,AO 2013,AO 2014,AO 2017
Middle-AO 2004,AO 2006,AO 2015,AO 2016
Easier (not easy) AO 2003,AO 2007,AO 2008,AO 2018

Strong
RG 2005,RG 2006,RG 2007,RG 2009,RG 2011,RG 2013
Middle(still good)RG 2010,RG 2014,RG 2015,RG 2018
Easier(not easy) RG 2016-2017
Strong
Wimbeldon 2004,Wimbledon 2007,Wimbledon 2008,Wimbledon 2009,Wimbeldon 2012,Wimbledon 2013,Wimbledon 2014,Wimbeldon 2018
Middle-Wimbeldon 2005-2006,Wimbeldon 2010,Wimbeldon 2015,Wimbeldon 2016 and Wimbeldon 2003 and Wimbeldon 2011
Easier(not easy). Wimbeldon 2017
Strong
USO 2003, USO 2005,USO 2007,USO 2008,USO 2009,USO 2010,USO 2011,
Middle-USO 2004 USO 2013,2014,2015,2018
Easier (not easy). USO 2016-2017

Years
2003-ATG class
2004-Good
2005. Good
2006. Easier (not easy)
2007 ATG class
2008 ATG class
2009 ATG class
2010. Easier not easy
2011 ATG class
2012 ATG class (the best of them IMO(
2013 ATG class
2014 Very Good
2015-Good
2016-Easier but not easy
2017-Easier but not easy
2018-Not finished yet.
Overall
2012
2009=2011
2008
2013
2007
2003
2014
2015=2005
2004
2010
2006
2017
2016
2018=still in progress
Sorry for cheating. I don’t like the word weak. I think all slams in pro sports are stronger than we imagine as fans.

But This is perfect.

 

[The Green Mile]

2016 to now is mug era, especially with Gilles out of form and in decline. Crap players just padding their H2Hs willy nilly.

 

[mike danny]

Maybe 2005 yea. 2004? Federer didn't lose a match to anyone in the top 10 that year. 18-0. I wouldn't categorize that one as strong.

By that logic Djokovic's 2011 shouldn't be strong since he went 41 matches undefeated and was 10-1 against Fedal.

 

[NoleFam]

By that logic Djokovic's 2011 shouldn't be strong since he went 41 matches undefeated and was 10-1 against Fedal.

Well Djokovic was just winning everything on every surface in 2011 but he still lost to Federer and to Murray in that stretch from AO to USO. Federer didn't quite dominate like that in that stretch and lost matches to guys outside the top 10 that year, especially on clay, but based on their poor record against Federer and their overall results that year, I wouldn't call that a very strong top 10.