Both have incredibly close numbers based on these statistics so far in there career:
Federer clay:
76.5% W/L percentage (13th all time)
1 Major, 4 RUP
9 titles, 5 masters 1000
Nadal hardcourt:
76.4% W/L percentage (13th all time)
2 Major, 1 RUP
11 titles, 5 masters 1000
Are you kidding me? Federer is the next best clay courter of this era after Nadal. Nadal can be ousted by quite a few number of people on HC. Nadal simply isn't suited to HC, and Federer is simply suited to all surfaces.
Are you kidding me? Federer is the next best clay courter of this era after Nadal. Nadal can be ousted by quite a few number of people on HC. Nadal simply isn't suited to HC, and Federer is simply suited to all surfaces.
What about making five times the final of the FO and one semifinal losing to nadal (05)? has Nadal done something similar in HC slams?Nadal on hard courts. Nadal can beat anyone on hard courts and always could, whereas Federer has almost no chance against Nadal on clay. Furthermore Federer has won the 3 biggest clay court events only once. Nadal has won the 2 biggest hard court events already and is only 25. I believe they have the same # of Masters titles.
Of course this place is Federer Palace so even if you started a poll "who is better on clay- Federer or Nadal" Federer would win with atleast 70% of the votes, so a poll like this he will get atleast 95%.
Nadal on hard courts. Nadal can beat anyone on hard courts and always could, whereas Federer has almost no chance against Nadal on clay. Furthermore Federer has won the 3 biggest clay court events only once. Nadal has won the 2 biggest hard court events already and is only 25. I believe they have the same # of Masters titles.
Of course this place is Federer Palace so even if you started a poll "who is better on clay- Federer or Nadal" Federer would win with atleast 70% of the votes, so a poll like this he will get atleast 95%.
Nadal on hard courts. Nadal can beat anyone on hard courts and always could, whereas Federer has almost no chance against Nadal on clay. Furthermore Federer has won the 3 biggest clay court events only once. Nadal has won the 2 biggest hard court events already and is only 25. I believe they have the same # of Masters titles.
Of course this place is Federer Palace so even if you started a poll "who is better on clay- Federer or Nadal" Federer would win with atleast 70% of the votes, so a poll like this he will get atleast 95%.
Fed on clay. If not for Nadal's dominance on Clay, Fed likely would have won 4 or 5 RG titles. And its not just because Nadal is the best claycourter and head and shoulders better, but mainly because he's just a bad matchup for Fed, which even shows on the other surfaces.
What about making five times the final of the FO and one semifinal losing to nadal (05)? has Nadal done something similar in HC slams?
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Nadal has 2 majors, that's all that counts..Federer just has 1 major. Tough luck for Federer that there's only 1 major on clay...I'm just using standard TT logic. Seriously though, it's a pretty close call. With numbers this close, it's debatable. It depends on how you define "better". Better at the US Open vs. French? Better at a hypothetical tournament on a given day?...........
Federer is the 2nd best clay courter of this era since there are no other good clay courters at all other than Djokovic (who could surpass Federer down the road). Nadal is the 3rd best hard court player of an era where the hard court field is infinitely stronger than the clay court one. Up until this year he was the 2nd best.
Saying there are players who can beat is meaningless. There are many playes who can beat Federer on clay too. In his prime he lost to hip wrecked Kuerten, old man Costa, Volandri, Stepanek, and others. It doesnt make them better though.
Was about to say this. Take Nadal away and you have Federer as a potential all time great on clay along with Borg.
Take Federer away from hardcourts and Nadal's resume stays basically the same.
Agreed with the general observations, Federer is just a more natural, better all court player. Not to say that Nadal is not a good multi-surface player too, he is, but I always felt like Nadal's approach was to "impose his game on the surface".
And not to "blend with it", that would be more fitting to the game Federer has.
With all that said, things could definitely change if Nadal can grab more important titles on hard court.
Both have incredibly close numbers based on these statistics so far in there career:
Federer clay:
76.5% W/L percentage (13th all time)
1 Major, 4 RUP
9 titles, 5 masters 1000
Nadal hardcourt:
76.4% W/L percentage (13th all time)
2 Major, 1 RUP
11 titles, 5 masters 1000
add nalbandian, DODIG, Murray, Djkokovic, Federer, Tsonga, LUBACIC, MONFILS now whats up son? federer has been second best on clay nadal hasnt even been close to second best on HC where was he all these years when federer was winning the us open and australian open and dominating like crazy
Federer has played the French Open 13 times, winning once, finishing runner up four times, and reaching one additional semifinal. Nadal has played in a hard court slam 16 times, winning twice, finishing runner up once, and reaching three additional semifinals. That's the same number of semifinals, with Federer having two more finals than Nadal and Nadal one more win than Federer.
Federer has played in 32 clay Masters events, winning five with seven runners up. Nadal has played in 43 hard court Masters events, winning five with four runners up.
Nadal is younger and will no doubt win more hard court titles, but given the number of times the two have played on the respective surfaces, I'd say Federer was more consistent and more successful on clay than Nadal on hard court. But it's close.
Thanks for the very objective and balanced assessment.There is no contest. Fed clay >>>> Nadal HC. Nadal won AO only because Fed had a bad back and could not serve and then he had the cakewalk draw at USO. Nadal has never won a HC slam without something falling his way easy.
In the context of planet Fed Worship R US anything above 10% vs 90% in a poll with Federer on it is winning the poll against Federer. So with Federer just around 85%, and Nadal just below 10% it is a virtual tie so far.
Since the fanboys are so into slam count I am going to say 2>1 and when we look at other titles the story writes its self, but face it. A dream world is all they have, as they pretend Federer has the best season ever while 3 other players are far and above him.
There is no contest. Fed clay >>>> Nadal HC. Nadal won AO only because Fed had a bad back and could not serve and then he had the cakewalk draw at USO. Nadal has never won a HC slam without something falling his way easy.
The without Nadal reasoning is the dumbest argument imaginable. Federer fans are all but ready to act like Federer is a 5 time or 6 time French Open Champion due to a fantasy World without Nadal. Heck why not just say he is equally great to Nadal on clay since he wins the same number of French Opens without Nadal as Nadal, that makes perfect sense after all, LOL!
The fact is Nadal was there, and Federer wasnt ever able to beat him at Roland Garros, so he deserves only 1 French Open as he has. Anyway Federer fans are always ready to cry about Nadal being in his way at Roland Garros, but wont even acknowledge how poor the rest of the field is on clay and that aiding Federer to make the French Open final every year with practically no competition. Nadal on hard courts (his worst surface like clay is for Federer) has to face 5 or 6 great hard court players. Federer on clay has to face Nadal and a bunch of clay court nobodies (other than Djokovic once). Despite that Nadal still had won the Australian Open, U.S Open, and Olympic singles gold on hard courts all by 24.
The without Nadal reasoning is the dumbest argument imaginable. Federer fans are all but ready to act like Federer is a 5 time or 6 time French Open Champion due to a fantasy World without Nadal. Heck why not just say he is equally great to Nadal on clay since he wins the same number of French Opens without Nadal as Nadal, that makes perfect sense after all, LOL!
The fact is Nadal was there, and Federer wasnt ever able to beat him at Roland Garros, so he deserves only 1 French Open as he has. Anyway Federer fans are always ready to cry about Nadal being in his way at Roland Garros, but wont even acknowledge how poor the rest of the field is on clay and that aiding Federer to make the French Open final every year with practically no competition. Nadal on hard courts (his worst surface like clay is for Federer) has to face 5 or 6 great hard court players. Federer on clay has to face Nadal and a bunch of clay court nobodies (other than Djokovic once). Despite that Nadal still had won the Australian Open, U.S Open, and Olympic singles gold on hard courts all by 24.
Well, that is your main argument against Federer which according to you hurts his status overall. Of course, this is idiotic and expected from you, but at least now you can concede that Nadal would rank 3-4 in the all-time clay court list at best. He dominated clay only because of the weak competition.
If Nadal is only 3-4 on the all time clay list according to you then Federer isnt even in the top 30 considering the huge chasm between Nadal and Federer on clay. So thanks for admitting Federer isnt even a top 30 clay courter all time. The only way for Federer to even make the top 10 or top 15 all time on clay as Federer fans want is to concede Nadal as the hands down clay court GOAT considering the enormous disparity between the two on the surface.