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Because he looks like a capybara and it's creepy.
But capybaras are cute.
Because he looks like a capybara and it's creepy.
But capybaras are cute.
It is somewhat insulting to the Capys to be compared to the Nadal, no?
I started writing a book about this but my editor said a 3,000 page tome would never sell.
He is the biggest Nadal fan, get with the narrative already, Hands!
He once invited me to his a secret basement in his picturesque French cottage farmhouse that was inspiration for the opening sequence for Inglourious Basterds.
But instead of Jews hiding inside, I instead found that the basement full of Rafa paraphernalia...
My answers, in no particular order:
So you're a Zverev fan?I probably would've liked Nadal for awhile. He's weird, he's a lefty, odd game etc.
I like perfection too sometimes and Fed came along first and his form/mechanics
were just soooooo good.....and I play a 1HBH myself and have that sense of
superiority over 2 handers we all seem to have, correctly I might add.
So if there'd been no Fed I'd have liked Nadal for a time but it wouldn't have
lasted long. As he got older his face got all pointy and beady eyed. Frankly, he's
borderline butt ugly and I'm shallow and unashamed when it comes to looks.
Hell no, he's like some sort of wussy surfer boy. Very pretty though.So you're a Zverev fan?
He always grabbed his shorts or pants, but check Wimbledon 2008. He didn't touch his face and ears with the right hand. So no, a lot of his tics have gotten much worse.I'm convinced all of his quirks began when he was quite young and have remained with him ever since. For instance, I cling to the theory that he once double faulted when serving on an important point because a wedgie was irritating him so that, ever since, he adjusts the back of his shorts before serving.
He always grabbed his shorts or pants, but check Wimbledon 2008. He didn't touch his face and ears with the right hand. So no, a lot of his tics have gotten much worse.
Yours was a particularly grim post but I'm afraid I have to go along with most of it. I can see where you're coming from but there is a lot going on here with the fertility stuff, so linking it with doping is a bit speculative.
I realise mine is a minority opinion but I think Djokovic is probably the least likely to be doping. My speculative citation to support my Djokovic theory -- beyond my experiences with this as a footballer -- are his performances and his flexibility. In big matches he often sort of drifts off for a while because he just can't maintain his max level of performance and concentration. That's a big signal of humanity and natural rhythms to me. If he was doping, he'd be carrying himself differently - he'd be bulkier and less flexible IMHO. The flexibility he has attained only comes from seriously heavy work.
I don't really care too much about this area to argue minutiae because I can accept that doping is more or less required at the big-3 level, even for players as gifted as Roger.
He always grabbed his shorts or pants, but check Wimbledon 2008. He didn't touch his face and ears with the right hand. So no, a lot of his tics have gotten much worse.
He's fine. As others have said, it's a fandom thing.
Anything negative I've ever said about him is purely due to me being a Fed fan and that would be true for most of his critics here.
Tennis is certainly better off with him around than with him not around in my view, his entertainment value is massive for me as a tennis fan. I'm over disliking him though, it's not worth the energy, any time I say things I'm just pulling the chain of a handful of VB folks who take themselves too seriously
Compulsory service required of all Swiss men..... claims to have a bad back.......gets out of it (R. Slackerer)..........then goes on to compete at an age when most others have retired........now, about that Majorcan topspin monkey 'faking injuries' .....?My answers, in no particular order:
*Faking injuries
*Using MTOs to ice his opponents when he's losing *Abusing the pace of the game: taking too long on his own serve (he is the reason for the serve clock), refusing to play at the server's pace when receiving (e.g. Kyrgios Acapulco)*Obvious PED use*Absurd grunting, likely one more piece of gamesmanship
I had tried to respect him because of:
*His accomplishments
*His reflexive attempts to be humble and complimentary of opponents
*His charity/educational work
*His longevity
But the Kyrgios match was the last straw. He embarrassed himself on the court and off it, and revealed himself to be the petty, underhanded person I always suspected he was. Then he fired a ball at Tsitisipas during warmups. And then made psycho faces at his box during the Australian Open final. His persona is all an act.
They aren't all the same though. Fed is the most dignified of the 3, and the least chippy/flinty. He's more accessible, more honest, more diplomatic and handles himself with a lot more composure generally speaking.
Yes there are things to dislike about Fed, but they are far fewer and nit-pickier. Rudeness to the umpire in the DelPo match, OK. Yelling "Shut up" to an opponent's box, OK.
But he won't stoop to the levels Rafa does to win. That crap is undignified, everyone knows it, and we just make excuses for Rafa doing it because he generates so much interest in the game.
Rafa isn't talented? Please. His uncle is a former Spanish soccer player nicknamed "The Beast" because of how astoundingly athletic and imposing he was. Rafa comes from a fabulously wealthy family that already included a legendary international pro athlete. This narrative of him just scrapping by on hard work alone is a myth.
This
Murray said it. I'm not sure which one he was talking about, but he openly referenced it.
Kyrgios put a syringe emoji in an Instagram post trashing Nadal and no one even said anything. It's an open secret.
You're both right.
1. The doping methods are always evolving, and because of the money at stake, they are always one step ahead of the testers
2. Tennis officials are well aware of it. They have no interest in seeing their stars be brought down like Lance Armstrong. I said above it was an open secret re: Nadal and I refuse to believe he is the only one
I'm a huge FedFan but I'd be naive not to suspect him too.
Him being out of breath isn't a reason though. He doesn't get out of breath because he doesn't chase every ball down. He plays fast on his serve, tries to end points quickly, and doesn't get into long, punishing rallies.
Reasons to suspect Fed are the fact that he came back from looking absolutely done in 2016 and just cut through the entire ATP tour in 2017.
Sudden, prolonged absences from the sport are always a red flag. That was initially what led me to suspect Rafa. You have to take time off to get clean, so you make up an injury.
I always thought that Fed would be tempted to use them (if he hadn't already) as his career wore on and he found himself skilled enough to beat anyone but not fit/strong enough to keep winning Slams. 2014, 2015, 2016...take your pick as to when he might have reached his breaking point.
Another red flag to me is that he has had two sets of twins. One set of girls and one set of boys. The odds of that are..."infinitesimal" is putting it mildly...unless you are doing IVF. IVF is notorious for producing twins and in this case it is almost obvious that IVF was done, likely both times. Why?
You don't have to make such a huge leap to imagine that they froze his sperm a long time ago in case (or assuming) that he might affect his fertility with the demands of his professional life...up to and including taking PEDs which are notorious for causing fertility problems.
I love the guy and he is my favorite athlete of all time and it isn't even close.
But I'm also a realist, and I fully accept the possibility that doping has been a part of top-tier tennis for decades.
Dude: . . Tennis Warehouse Talk TennisBased on comments today, I see that many posters don't like Nadal. Why?
He is one of the greatest players ever
(maybe even GOAT)
and a great human being.
I started writing a book about this but my editor said a 3,000 page tome would never sell.
I would buy it.
The Lendl effect. He's a dominant champion but doesn't dominate the same way among the fans. The main fanwar is between Federer and Djokovic, the Vamøs Brigade gets caught in between. He doesn't have Federer's cool confidence or Djokovic's exuberance. He's more human.
Wow I did not know that hate can be so strong!This thread has been a revelation for me.
1+1 = 2
Rafa making Roger kiss the ring so many times = people don't like him.
My answers, in no particular order:
*Faking injuries
*Using MTOs to ice his opponents when he's losing
*Abusing the pace of the game: taking too long on his own serve (he is the reason for the serve clock), refusing to play at the server's pace when receiving (e.g. Kyrgios Acapulco)
*Obvious PED use
*Absurd grunting, likely one more piece of gamesmanship
I had tried to respect him because of:
*His accomplishments
*His reflexive attempts to be humble and complimentary of opponents
*His charity/educational work
*His longevity
But the Kyrgios match was the last straw. He embarrassed himself on the court and off it, and revealed himself to be the petty, underhanded person I always suspected he was. Then he fired a ball at Tsitisipas during warmups. And then made psycho faces at his box during the Australian Open final. His persona is all an act.
They aren't all the same though. Fed is the most dignified of the 3, and the least chippy/flinty. He's more accessible, more honest, more diplomatic and handles himself with a lot more composure generally speaking.
Yes there are things to dislike about Fed, but they are far fewer and nit-pickier. Rudeness to the umpire in the DelPo match, OK. Yelling "Shut up" to an opponent's box, OK.
But he won't stoop to the levels Rafa does to win. That crap is undignified, everyone knows it, and we just make excuses for Rafa doing it because he generates so much interest in the game.
Rafa isn't talented? Please. His uncle is a former Spanish soccer player nicknamed "The Beast" because of how astoundingly athletic and imposing he was. Rafa comes from a fabulously wealthy family that already included a legendary international pro athlete. This narrative of him just scrapping by on hard work alone is a myth.
This
Murray said it. I'm not sure which one he was talking about, but he openly referenced it.
Kyrgios put a syringe emoji in an Instagram post trashing Nadal and no one even said anything. It's an open secret.
You're both right.
1. The doping methods are always evolving, and because of the money at stake, they are always one step ahead of the testers
2. Tennis officials are well aware of it. They have no interest in seeing their stars be brought down like Lance Armstrong. I said above it was an open secret re: Nadal and I refuse to believe he is the only one
I'm a huge FedFan but I'd be naive not to suspect him too.
Him being out of breath isn't a reason though. He doesn't get out of breath because he doesn't chase every ball down. He plays fast on his serve, tries to end points quickly, and doesn't get into long, punishing rallies.
Reasons to suspect Fed are the fact that he came back from looking absolutely done in 2016 and just cut through the entire ATP tour in 2017.
Sudden, prolonged absences from the sport are always a red flag. That was initially what led me to suspect Rafa. You have to take time off to get clean, so you make up an injury.
I always thought that Fed would be tempted to use them (if he hadn't already) as his career wore on and he found himself skilled enough to beat anyone but not fit/strong enough to keep winning Slams. 2014, 2015, 2016...take your pick as to when he might have reached his breaking point.
Another red flag to me is that he has had two sets of twins. One set of girls and one set of boys. The odds of that are..."infinitesimal" is putting it mildly...unless you are doing IVF. IVF is notorious for producing twins and in this case it is almost obvious that IVF was done, likely both times. Why?
You don't have to make such a huge leap to imagine that they froze his sperm a long time ago in case (or assuming) that he might affect his fertility with the demands of his professional life...up to and including taking PEDs which are notorious for causing fertility problems.
I love the guy and he is my favorite athlete of all time and it isn't even close.
But I'm also a realist, and I fully accept the possibility that doping has been a part of top-tier tennis for decades.
My answers, in no particular order:
*Faking injuries
*Using MTOs to ice his opponents when he's losing
*Abusing the pace of the game: taking too long on his own serve (he is the reason for the serve clock), refusing to play at the server's pace when receiving (e.g. Kyrgios Acapulco)
*Obvious PED use
*Absurd grunting, likely one more piece of gamesmanship
I had tried to respect him because of:
*His accomplishments
*His reflexive attempts to be humble and complimentary of opponents
*His charity/educational work
*His longevity
But the Kyrgios match was the last straw. He embarrassed himself on the court and off it, and revealed himself to be the petty, underhanded person I always suspected he was. Then he fired a ball at Tsitisipas during warmups. And then made psycho faces at his box during the Australian Open final. His persona is all an act.
They aren't all the same though. Fed is the most dignified of the 3, and the least chippy/flinty. He's more accessible, more honest, more diplomatic and handles himself with a lot more composure generally speaking.
Yes there are things to dislike about Fed, but they are far fewer and nit-pickier. Rudeness to the umpire in the DelPo match, OK. Yelling "Shut up" to an opponent's box, OK.
But he won't stoop to the levels Rafa does to win. That crap is undignified, everyone knows it, and we just make excuses for Rafa doing it because he generates so much interest in the game.
Rafa isn't talented? Please. His uncle is a former Spanish soccer player nicknamed "The Beast" because of how astoundingly athletic and imposing he was. Rafa comes from a fabulously wealthy family that already included a legendary international pro athlete. This narrative of him just scrapping by on hard work alone is a myth.
This
Murray said it. I'm not sure which one he was talking about, but he openly referenced it.
Kyrgios put a syringe emoji in an Instagram post trashing Nadal and no one even said anything. It's an open secret.
You're both right.
1. The doping methods are always evolving, and because of the money at stake, they are always one step ahead of the testers
2. Tennis officials are well aware of it. They have no interest in seeing their stars be brought down like Lance Armstrong. I said above it was an open secret re: Nadal and I refuse to believe he is the only one
I'm a huge FedFan but I'd be naive not to suspect him too.
Him being out of breath isn't a reason though. He doesn't get out of breath because he doesn't chase every ball down. He plays fast on his serve, tries to end points quickly, and doesn't get into long, punishing rallies.
Reasons to suspect Fed are the fact that he came back from looking absolutely done in 2016 and just cut through the entire ATP tour in 2017.
Sudden, prolonged absences from the sport are always a red flag. That was initially what led me to suspect Rafa. You have to take time off to get clean, so you make up an injury.
I always thought that Fed would be tempted to use them (if he hadn't already) as his career wore on and he found himself skilled enough to beat anyone but not fit/strong enough to keep winning Slams. 2014, 2015, 2016...take your pick as to when he might have reached his breaking point.
Another red flag to me is that he has had two sets of twins. One set of girls and one set of boys. The odds of that are..."infinitesimal" is putting it mildly...unless you are doing IVF. IVF is notorious for producing twins and in this case it is almost obvious that IVF was done, likely both times. Why?
You don't have to make such a huge leap to imagine that they froze his sperm a long time ago in case (or assuming) that he might affect his fertility with the demands of his professional life...up to and including taking PEDs which are notorious for causing fertility problems.
I love the guy and he is my favorite athlete of all time and it isn't even close.
But I'm also a realist, and I fully accept the possibility that doping has been a part of top-tier tennis for decades.
https://heavy.com/sports/2017/07/ro...ictures-twins-daughters-sons-parents-mom-dad/Apparently, having twins runs in the family. Federer’s only sibling, older sister Diana, is a mother to a set of boy-and-girl twins, while his maternal grandmother was also a twin