You've been hired as an umpire...

[ElChivoEspañol]

Drone logic fails again. You don't have to use the full extent of the time the clock gives you, 15 or even 10 seconds is acceptable.

You want to accuse others of being illogical when you’re arguing that utilizing the full 25 seconds allowed to serve (as per the rule book) is unacceptable.

logic…not even once.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Would:
1) Murray - Simply because I want to watch him play from as close as possible
2) Raonic - Same reason as Murray but also I want to see how fast his serve is in person and if I can visually keep up with it.
3) Nadal - I would take pleasure in being an umpire who won't bend to his star power and punish him every single time he goes over the allowed time to serve.
4) Kyrgios - Similar reason to Nadal, I wouldn't let him dictate or be rude to me and punish him for talking back to me and being rude to the crowd.
5) Bouchard - Because she purdy.

Wouldn't
1) Simon - Because I think he is one of the most boring players to watch ever
2) Sharapova - My ears would bleed
3) Azarenka - Same reason as Sharapova
4) Isner - I would get bored from the serve-botting
5) Karlovic - I would get bored from the serve-botting

Raonic doesn’t bore you but Isner and Karlovic do? Are you Canadian? lol

 

[Rattler]

Who are the top five men and women you would want to umpire a match for and who are the top five men and women that you would refuse to umpire a match for?

hahaha. I’ve already done this

 

[am1899]

Don't you know what the 'chair umpire' means ?

Oh, you have jokes!

Your interpretations of the serve clock rule are not correct and your statements about it don’t make any sense.

But at least you have a sense of humor. Bravo!

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

You want to accuse others of being illogical when you’re arguing that utilizing the full 25 seconds allowed to serve (as per the rule book) is unacceptable.

logic…not even once.

Clearly you don't read me well. I said that the player should try not to exceed 25-30 seconds since last point, so if the short clock is started late it's proper not to use the full 25-second period.

 

[Terenigma]

Raonic doesn’t bore you but Isner and Karlovic do? Are you Canadian? lol

Raonic has a game to compete with the big names outside of his serve. His prime such as his 2016 season he took some pace off his serve and was showing off how good he can be outside of serve, his FH was killing it and there was a notable difference with him in comparison with Isner/Karlovic. He was never a serve-bot in the same way they were.

 

[octobrina10]

False. I noted a specific player named Rafael Nadal deliberately taking more time than the shot clock allows. stop cheating the readers!

You obviously have more than two accounts. Here, you admitted that I replied to you (post #94):
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ired-as-an-umpire.729892/page-2#post-16551918

 

[Rorano_Fedalovic]

You obviously have more than two accounts. Here, you admitted that I replied to you (post #94):
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ired-as-an-umpire.729892/page-2#post-16551918

I thought it was directed at me. If that was my 2nd account, TTW would know and ban me. so stop asuming lol.

and stop cheating the readers!

 

[octobrina10]

I thought it was directed at me. If that was my 2nd account, TTW would know and ban me. so stop asuming lol.

and stop cheating the readers!

TTW doesn't know. Read the title of the 4th thread of the GPPD forum.

 

[Rorano_Fedalovic]

TTW doesn't know. Read the title of the 4th thread of the GPPD forum.

ofc they do. it's 2022, no such thing as an unmoderated forum exists on teh internets.

stop cheating the readers!

 

[octobrina10]

Oh, you have jokes!

Your interpretations of the serve clock rule are not correct and your statements about it don’t make any sense.

But at least you have a sense of humor. Bravo!

FYI (The beginning of the serve clock history):

https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2018-07-11/shot_clock_warmup_clock_to_be_implemented_at_2018_us_open.html?chip=1

 

[vex]

Who are the top five men and women you would want to umpire a match for and who are the top five men and women that you would refuse to umpire a match for?

Refuse:

- NK (obv)
- Djokovic
- Nadal (not because he’s a complainer but because I’d enforce the rules and he’s Carlos B me).
- Tsits
- Paire

 

[octobrina10]

Clearly you don't read me well. I said that the player should try not to exceed 25-30 seconds since last point, so if the short clock is started late it's proper not to use the full 25-second period.

You have been trying hard to fabricate accusations against Rafa, but the truth is that you have failed.

 

[am1899]

FYI (The beginning of the serve clock history):

https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2018-07-11/shot_clock_warmup_clock_to_be_implemented_at_2018_us_open.html?chip=1

I’m aware of the rule, thanks.

You’ve still yet to adequately explain your statement:

Anyway, the server is not allowed to serve before the chair umpire triggers the serve clock.

Of course the server is not allowed to serve before the serve clock starts, isn’t that obvious?

Anyway, I don’t see what that has to do with various delay tactics, going over the allotted time, etc.

 

[Rorano_Fedalovic]

I’m aware of the rule, thanks.

You’ve still yet to adequately explain your statement:



Of course the server is not allowed to serve before the serve clock starts, isn’t that obvious?

Anyway, I don’t see what that has to do with various delay tactics, going over the allotted time, etc.

trollobrina is in complete denial when it comes to the fact that Nadal is a well known time violation cheater and she is thus cheating the readers with her factually false posts.

 

[USMC-615]

trollobrina is in complete denial when it comes to the fact that Nadal is a well known time violation cheater and she is thus cheating the readers with her factually false posts.

You’d think at some point Ms. Triggered would just stop. Maybe find something to do, take a nap…anything!

I’m sure Round 10 is just around the corner…

 

[Incognito]

You want to end up as Carlos Bernardes!? Scared for your physical and material well-being!? Not smart, buddy, not smart at all.

Rafa hasn’t showed any signs of being capable of physical violence. Djoker on the other hand is a psycho, ask ball boys and ball girls. If he wasn’t a tennis player, he would have been another Charles manson.

 

[holy tennis]

I’d also umpire Medvedev’s match and give him unsportsmanlike conduct warning every time he rushes his opponent and takes like 5 seconds between serves. Not the good tennis.

 

[socallefty]

I’d also umpire Medvedev’s match and give him unsportsmanlike conduct warning every time he rushes his opponent and takes like 5 seconds between serves. Not the good tennis.

What rule is he breaking? Returner is supposed to play at server’s pace - the opposite is not required.

 

[holy tennis]

What rule is he breaking? Returner is supposed to play at server’s pace - the opposite is not required.

No rule. Just like Nadal is breaking no rule when he is taking exactly the time umpire gives him, but, as you can see, this thread basically consists of people who want to set they own rules because of their attention deficit disorder. So I’ll set my own rules too. In my match no one is allowed to take less than 10 seconds between serves.

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

Clearly you don't read me well. I said that the player should try not to exceed 25-30 seconds since last point, so if the short clock is started late it's proper not to use the full 25-second period.

LOL in what universe this is an objective logical statement, bud?

 

[jackson vile]

If I’m the umpire I’m calling everything that’s in out and everything that’s out in

 

[woodrow1029]

As someone who has been an umpire at the top level of tennis, I say thanks for the entertainment of this thread!

 

[octobrina10]

I’m aware of the rule, thanks.

You’ve still yet to adequately explain your statement:

Of course the server is not allowed to serve before the serve clock starts, isn’t that obvious?

Anyway, I don’t see what that has to do with various delay tactics, going over the allotted time, etc.

I wonder which my statement you want me to explain.

 

[octobrina10]

....

Anyway, I don’t see what that has to do with various delay tactics, going over the allotted time, etc.

1) Try to understand that the chair umpire triggers the serve clock, giving the server 25 seconds to start his service motion, and it doesn't matter what the server his doing during those 25 seconds.

2) Have you seen on the serve clock how many seconds Rafa has exceeded the 25-second time limit?

 

[octobrina10]

trollobrina is in complete denial when it comes to the fact that Nadal is a well known time violation cheater and she is thus cheating the readers with her factually false posts.

Trollororano is in his element when fabricating fake stories about Rafa.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

LOL in what universe this is an objective logical statement, bud?

It's a moral argument obviously. Since you too are given to those it would be hypocritical to dismiss as improper.

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

It's a moral argument obviously. Since you too are given to those it would be hypocritical to dismiss as improper.

A moral argument based purely on a fallacy.

In other words, a low IQ opinion.

Thanks for sharing though.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

A moral argument based purely on a fallacy.

In other words, a low IQ opinion.

Thanks for sharing though.

What fallacy? Be direct. You may be mixing terms up.

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

What fallacy? Be direct. You may be mixing terms up.

FALLACY: a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.

Buddy, I can’t think for you, sit on this one for a while and try to formulate a coherent response, which you can’t because your argument is highly subjective and far removed from logic.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

FALLACY: a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.

Buddy, I can’t think for you, sit on this one for a while and try to formulate a coherent response, which you can’t because your argument is highly subjective and far removed from logic.

Asserting that making sure the gap between points doesn't exceed 30 seconds is the right thing is 'mistaken' how? You're not being quite logical.

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

Asserting that making sure the gap between points doesn't exceed 30 seconds is the right thing is 'mistaken' how? You're not being quite logical.

Drone logic fails again. You don't have to use the full extent of the time the clock gives you, 15 or even 10 seconds is acceptable.

One of these arguments is not like the other.

Go on move the goal post now that you’ve been shown to be quite illogical, ironically the very same thing you’re accusing others of.

Projection is a helluva drug.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

One of these arguments is not like the other.

Go on move the goal post now that you’ve been shown to be quite illogical, ironically the very same thing you’re accusing others of.

Projection is a helluva drug.

You don't read me well again. I said that, if the shot clock is started late after X seconds past the last point have already elapsed, it would be proper to take that into account and not use the full 25-second period as then you will have created a 25+X second gap between the two points. Make sure the time gap since the last point was over until you start your service motion does not exceed 30 seconds (necessary exceptions such as replacing racquet allowed of course). While we're on that, the time between 1st and 2nd serves should also be regulated and the number of acceptable serve toss fails limited as some players exploit that to take longer time with no clock interference.

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

You don't read me well again. I said that, if the shot clock is started late after X seconds past the last point have already elapsed, it would be proper to take that into account and not use the full 25-second period as then you will have created a 25+X second gap between the two points. Make sure the time gap since the last point was over until you start your service motion does not exceed 30 seconds (necessary exceptions such as replacing racquet allowed of course). While we're on that, the time between 1st and 2nd serves should also be regulated and the number of acceptable serve toss fails limited as some players exploit that to take longer time with no clock interference.

It boggles my mind how you are willing to die on this petty hill.

1) when the serve clock is started after a point is played is 100% up to the chair umpire and not up to Nadal (or any other player).

and

2) Nadal is NOT breaking the rules by utilizing the full 25 seconds to serve.

Again, your argument is purely based on a fallacy.

What you consider “proper” is highly highly subjective and far removed from an objective logical argument.

Lol unreal this has to be broken down for you. Yikes!

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

It boggles my mind how you are willing to die on this petty hill.

1) when the serve clock is started after a point is played is 100% up to the chair umpire and not up to Nadal (or any other player).

and

2) Nadal is NOT breaking the rules by utilizing the full 25 seconds to serve.

Again, your argument is purely based on a fallacy.

What you consider “proper” is highly highly subjective and far removed from an objective logical argument.

Lol unreal this has to be broken down for you. Yikes!

Morality is subjective, doesn't make it irrelevant. All I'm saying is Nadal isn't doing the right thing (neither do umpires) and neither do you by painting that as fine.

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

Morality is subjective, doesn't make it irrelevant. All I'm saying is Nadal isn't doing the right thing (neither do umpires) and neither do you by painting that as fine.

Lol at trying to stand on a fake made up moral high ground.

Nice try, bud.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Lol at trying to stand on a fake made up moral high ground.

Nice try, bud.

Proof that it is fake not forthcoming I see.

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

Proof that it is fake not forthcoming I see.

You lost the argument based on the simple fact that you want to impose your “morality” on black and white set rules that Nadal is NOT breaking.

Try again.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

You lost the argument based on the simple fact that you want to impose your “morality” on black and white set rules that Nadal is NOT breaking.

Try again.

What's wrong with wanting people to act decently?

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

What's wrong with wanting people to act decently?

Your absurd definition of “decent” couldn’t even be found in a dictionary if you tried.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Your absurd definition of “decent” couldn’t even be found in a dictionary if you tried.

What's absurd about it, other than your imagination?

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

What's absurd about it, other than your imagination?

Buddy, your argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on. I’ve broken down your low IQ argument and explained how you’re plain and simply wrong, if you want to go in circles be my guest, you must be 12 and feel the need to have the last word.

Be my guest.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Buddy, your argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on. I’ve broken down your low IQ argument and explained how you’re plain and simply wrong, if you want to go in circles be my guest, you must be 12 and feel the need to have the last word.

Be my guest.

You've done nothing of the sort, lol.

 

[am1899]

I wonder which my statement you want me to explain.

I wonder if you can answer a basic question?

1) Try to understand that the chair umpire triggers the serve clock, giving the server 25 seconds to start his service motion, and it doesn't matter what the server his doing during those 25 seconds.

I know this, doesn’t answer the question.

2) Have you seen on the serve clock how many seconds Rafa has exceeded the 25-second time limit?

Completely irrelevant.

Still waiting, sport.

 

[octobrina10]

I wonder if you can answer a basic question?
...

May I ask, what is your basic question?

I'm still wondering what 'statement' you meant in this your post (#114) :

... You’ve still yet to adequately explain your statement: ...

Post #114:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ired-as-an-umpire.729892/page-3#post-16552723

 

[am1899]

May I ask, what is your basic question?

I'm still wondering what 'statement' you meant in this your post (#114) :

Post #114:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ired-as-an-umpire.729892/page-3#post-16552723

Please elaborate:

Anyway, the server is not allowed to serve before the chair umpire triggers the serve clock.

 

[octobrina10]

Please elaborate:

Hmm. You yourself said the same:

 

[am1899]

Hmm. You yourself said the same:

Here, since you apparently can't comprehend what's going on here, let me help you.

Nobody said the server should serve before the chair umpire starts the serve clock.

When I asked you who is saying this, you replied,

The chair umpire.

…which again, makes absolutely no sense.

Matter of fact, it would be nearly impossible for the player to serve before the chair umpire starts the serve clock - even Nick Kyrgios, trying to rush...I don't see how it would even be feasible to do so. I watch a lot of pro tennis, and I'm fairly certain I've never seen a player even try.

So the only logical explanation to me, since you won't own up, is that you have misunderstood @AnOctorokForDinner, where he said:

He used to go over 25 seconds regularly. Still does when the umpire allows it by starting the clock late, although that's an umpiring problem but then again, if RAFA was truly so fair and humbull as he is painted by dolls, he wouldn't have been making use of it, no?

Of course it's impossible to prove but I think I can tell from my tennis watching experience. I know it would put off *me* and I don't believe nobody is negatively affected at all, to a however small extent which would be significant enough since it's not supposed to be a factor at all. That you don't seem to care the least bit if any opponent is the least bit discomforted with this is telling with regard to your character as a fanboi - didn't you say you may quit watching tennis once Rafa retires, lel.

It's basic logic since hypothetical perfect tennis means every single shot is perfect so it's just raining aces, but failing that, it's obvious that the more shots there are, the more imperfections occurs, and hitting an extra shot is imperfection in itself since a perfect shot would've finished the point already.

The suggestion was not that the player should serve before the chair umpire starts the serve clock. Rather, if the chair umpire starts the service clock late relative to the previous point, that the player should not run the serve clock down to zero before they serve. (Of course, given the relative rule, the player is under no obligation to do so).

There, you got it now?

 

[octobrina10]

...
Nobody said the server should serve before the chair umpire starts the serve clock.
...

@AnOctorokForDinner has said it multiple times.

I repeat again what I have written multiple times.
The chair umpire operates the serve clock. A player has to stay within the 25-second time limit the serve clock (triggered by the chair umpire) allows. The server can't serve before or later than the serve clock (triggered by the chair umpire) allows. Period.
I wonder why this is unclear to Rafa bashers.

 

[am1899]

@AnOctorokForDinner has said it multiple times.

No, he hasn’t. Wow.