1/4s, semis and finals yes for women.
men need to go back to bo5 at masters 1000s finals.
i agree with fed on the bo5. i can't believe it's even being discussed that men should play bo3.
LOL.Three sets of women's tennis is hell. Five sets of that shrieking would be utter torture.
Only the women that aren't in great condition because now they only have to play 3 sets.Yall would be in for a rude awakening if women played BO5. There would be retirements out the wazoo. Luckily common sense prevails and board warriors can stay pressed.
That simply can't be true because the males on this board have said women are too frail to play 5 sets, I mean they can't even run marathons or make it through 36 hours of childbirth or...They can. For the 100th time, the women want to play B05 but the tournaments, ITF and broadcasters won’t also it due to scheduling. Many of the top players want B05 because they have the stamina such as Halep and Kerber and often lower players don’t and that’s why the upsets happen more with less sets, and before anyone says women can’t physically hold up, Halep played two 3 set matches on the same day en route to a final or title at a tournament. Can’t remember where but the women can play multiple sets. They used to do it in the 80s/90s after all.
Nonsense, there are enough courts to accommodate them.If women really want to play bo5 sets, then it has to be a separated event holding different dates for their own majors hosted by its Australia tennis federation, French Tennis Federation, USTA, and LTA to host one for logistic issues and Wimbledon might not be able to host women tournaments and not possible to host different dates as they have their own schedule with grass maintained. Until women wants to play a bo5 sets, we better to go with status quo. I think that most of them doesn't want that because they might be afraid that they would lose equal prize money if they find that fans would rather flock to men's Slam events than women.
Ugly statement.Three sets of women's tennis is hell. Five sets of that shrieking would be utter torture.
Except many of us do want to see it. Males don't want to see it but they don't watch women's sports anyway.They should not play best of 5, no one wants to see that. The issue is that we are therefore asked to deny the reality that men are physically capable of more impressive feats than their female counterparts. How many ladies in figure skating can land a triple Axel let alone the various quadruple jumps that their male counterparts routinely land. This does not make men inherently better than women but our current PC climate insists that we deny reality and pretend that certain observations are not real. The solution is to either allow the truth to be told or just have one tournament and see how Serena fares against Diego Schwartzman in the first round.
Nice post oinker, comfy in your cave?Only those women who want to be equal to men should play BO5. Normal women should play BO3.
Have heard crap like this for the past 50 years and your kind has always been proven wrong. Exact same garbage was said about women and marathons, when will you fools learn!?Since the issue keeps coming up I say let him do it for a year and listen to everyone complain. Then immediately laugh about it and say I told you so when they switch back to BO3. I promise lessons will be learned after thousands of serve breaks and women tweeting from hospital rooms. It will never be brought up again.
God NO! But then, they should not get the same amount of prize money, either. Perhaps the men should only play two of three, with NO tiebreak in the third set.After seeing the epic Nadal/Thiem match yesterday in the heat and humidity, you realize the physical feat that a five set match can be. Women want, or get, equal money in tournaments. Why can't they play five sets?
I don't believe that they are incapable of it, some women are more conditioned than men. Seriously, what is the reason they only play two out of three? If you say that they would take up too much court time or that no one would want to watch a female five set match, then you're saying that women's tennis is not a priority, or a sufficient draw. And many would argue that is not so.
So why shouldn't they have the opportunity to put on the kind of display that Nadal and Thiem did? At least during the majors? They would more fully have equality this way.
It's not *****' funny, be better than these clowns.LOL.![]()
Basically what I say every time Sock picks up a racket. Should all men be judged by him?cant imagine to watch another set of keys vs CsN.. would die of boredom, same for the people in the stands.. this is what you wanna?!
of course not.. just saying i dont wanna women play bo5.. why? just because guys cant get over that they get equal pay for “less work” as they like to say over and over? i am totally good with bo3 and i think most of the wta fans are..Basically what I say every time Sock picks up a racket. Should all men be judged by him?
Sorry it’s just a running meme on the board. BeatlesFan and her hatred of women’s tennis.It's not *****' funny, be better than these clowns.
It would be scary because the best women athletes, would be the best conditioned and they would become the top 20 - consistently. I think the issue is deep-down males don't want women's tennis to become a better game. People liking women's sports is such a nads shrinking concept.Women do not get paid the same as men in tennis; at some tournaments like the us open they do. When you buy a ticket for tennis you aren't buying for the individual match, your buying for a session, so to the laymen it appears difficult to differentiate between sex as to who the customer is there to see (woukd like to compare TV Nielsen ratings). Having said that, if Serena isn't playing, just two random eastern bloc women and the men have say cilic and nishikori, odds are the fans didn't pay to watch petrovic, they paid to watch the best athletes in a sport slug it out. The parody in the women's game, anyone can beat anyone, has been exacerbated by the slowing of the courts. Physically, women are not the same as men and if they played best of 5 on these pro tv surfaces the parody would get even worse. I would love to see chris everet and the ITF propoganda machine justify how it's good for the sport when wta players out of the top 50 consistently beat those in the top ten; especially if they were to play Best of 5
It's lengthy but undistinguished.Sorry it’s just a running meme on the board. BeatlesFan and her hatred of women’s tennis.
Who’s on your ignore list?
Your sig does say I can ask..![]()
Women's tennis was better when the courts were faster and the shot making extended beyond a baseline slug fest. (This is also an issue of coaching at the junior wta level but that's a different matter).It would be scary because the best women athletes, would be the best conditioned and they would become the top 20 - consistently. I think the issue is deep-down males don't want women's tennis to become a better game. People liking women's sports is such a nads shrinking concept.
Except many of us do want to see it. Males don't want to see it but they don't watch women's sports anyway.
Is this supported by data? And I guess my follow up question would be what "better player" means, because I'd assume the longer a match goes, the more likely the fitter player wins.Also, the longer a sports match is, the more likely it is that the better player will win. This is true no matter which sport or field is under discussion.
I see you didn't mention the thousands of serve breaks during that tongue lashingHave heard crap like this for the past 50 years and your kind has always been proven wrong. Exact same garbage was said about women and marathons, when will you fools learn!?
See you avoided the actual comment with a non sequitur not specific to just one gender.I see you didn't mention the thousands of serve breaks during that tongue lashing![]()
Good post but BO5 would actually improve women's tennis by forcing better conditioning and therefore a better game.Here is why they should:
Here is why they should not:
- Women have actually tested to be comparatively better than men in many endurance activities.
- Scheduling at grand slams would be a problem
- Too many uncompetitive WTA matches compared to ATP. If it's 6-2, 6-1, do I really need to see a third set to prove that the first two were not a fluke?
- WTA tennis has a smaller fan base and lower ratings than men's. From a pure business perspective, it makes sense to have more men's tennis than women's tennis on TV (speaking on average here, not about superstars like Serena)
Is this supported by data? And I guess my follow up question would be what "better player" means, because I'd assume the longer a match goes, the more likely the fitter player wins.
I suppose it may be demonstrable that fitter players are objectively better.
My feeling is that there are women who can do it. The ones that are in absolute tip top shape can go 5. Don't see the whole tour being ready for that. There's a reason it's BO3.See you avoided the actual comment with a non sequitur not specific to just one gender.
the question is, which performance brings in more money. not who works harder.After seeing the epic Nadal/Thiem match yesterday in the heat and humidity, you realize the physical feat that a five set match can be. Women want, or get, equal money in tournaments. Why can't they play five sets?
I don't believe that they are incapable of it, some women are more conditioned than men. Seriously, what is the reason they only play two out of three? If you say that they would take up too much court time or that no one would want to watch a female five set match, then you're saying that women's tennis is not a priority, or a sufficient draw. And many would argue that is not so.
So why shouldn't they have the opportunity to put on the kind of display that Nadal and Thiem did? At least during the majors? They would more fully have equality this way.
Then they'd have to start training more and getting ready for it. One of my issues with the WTA is that there are seeded players that look like their favorite words are "supersize me" but they have great skills so they can stay competitive. Even Serena came back out of shape (she admitted as much) and said she'd work herself back into shape on the court. Can you imagine a male player being able to do that? Have better conditioned athletes in the WTA and watch the tennis improve exponentially.My feeling is that there are women who can do it. The ones that are in absolute tip top shape can go 5. Don't see the whole tour being ready for that. There's a reason it's BO3.
Here is why they should:
Here is why they should not:
- Women have actually tested to be comparatively better than men in many endurance activities.
- Scheduling at grand slams would be a problem
- Too many uncompetitive WTA matches compared to ATP. If it's 6-2, 6-1, do I really need to see a third set to prove that the first two were not a fluke?
- WTA tennis has a smaller fan base and lower ratings than men's. From a pure business perspective, it makes sense to have more men's tennis than women's tennis on TV (speaking on average here, not about superstars like Serena)
The thing that scares me is let's say we have a 100+ women who can do it after all the conditioning/training. Women's tennis starts looking manly and I'm not so sure that will help it. Their frames will always be smaller and their height will never change. We will have little Energizer bunnies running everywhere for hours on end still lacking firepower to end matches. I like to see women who look like women out there. I don't want a 100 Schiavones.Then they'd have to start training more and getting ready for it. One of my issues with the WTA is that there are seeded players that look like their favorite words are "supersize me" but they have great skills so they can stay competitive. Even Serena came back out of shape (she admitted as much) and said she'd work herself back into shape on the court. Can you imagine a male player being able to do that? Have better conditioned athletes in the WTA and watch the tennis improve exponentially.
Dude, do I even have to tell you that your fear that women won't be as attractive to you if they're better conditioned discredits anything and everything you would or could ever possibly say about women's sports today and in the future?The thing that scares me is let's say we have a 100+ women who can do it after all the conditioning/training. Women's tennis starts looking manly and I'm not so sure that will help it. Their frames will always be smaller and their height will never change. We will have little Energizer bunnies running everywhere for hours on end still lacking firepower to end matches. I like to see women who look like women out there. I don't want a 100 Schiavones.
After seeing the epic Nadal/Thiem match yesterday in the heat and humidity, you realize the physical feat that a five set match can be. Women want, or get, equal money in tournaments. Why can't they play five sets?
I don't believe that they are incapable of it, some women are more conditioned than men. Seriously, what is the reason they only play two out of three? If you say that they would take up too much court time or that no one would want to watch a female five set match, then you're saying that women's tennis is not a priority, or a sufficient draw. And many would argue that is not so.
So why shouldn't they have the opportunity to put on the kind of display that Nadal and Thiem did? At least during the majors? They would more fully have equality this way.
Sure if you want to. It hasn't happened yet and you have no idea how it would look yourself. Your view is at best, hopeful.Dude, do I even have to tell you that your fear that women won't be as attractive to you if they're better conditioned discredits anything and everything you would or could ever possibly say about women's sports today and in the future?
Spoken like a true Neanderthal Troglodyte. Bravo.They shouldn't be getting equal pay and even more than that should not playing in best of 5 set matches.
I'm thinking about taking my wife's last name now.Thinking best-of-9 might be the thing.
You know... for applying the finnisher.
WTH? How did you get this from what I said. I'm stating that their attractiveness to you is *****' irrelevant. The same has been said forever by men that didn't want women to be athletes because in their opinion they were put on this planet only to serve them and not to get all sweaty and conditioned. The women flipped them the bird and went out and bought cleats anyway and guess what, people still found mates they were attracted to and the Earth continued to revolve around the sun. If women tennis players get better conditioned and some even develop a more muscular physique they are STILL going to look like women, maybe not the kind of woman you're attracted to but so what. They're in it to win it, not to be a poster on your ceiling...Sure if you want to. It hasn't happened yet and you have no idea how it would look yourself. Your view is at best, hopeful.
I like a woman who loves sports and has a competitive spirit. I'm glad that they put on the cleats or grabbed a racket etc. I use to watch WTA and I lost interest after about 2011-2012 or so. Serena totally took over and the others usually don't have a chance. It just doesn't seem possible for women as a whole to be on that on that type of physical level. I enjoyed watching Graff, Hingis ,Henin, Clijsters, and many others. None of those were beauty Queens ya know. They were still women at the end of the day and a joy to watch at what they do. They did it well. I don't see why women feel the need push the envelope and ruin something that use to be beautiful.WTH? How did you get this from what I said. I'm stating that their attractiveness to you is *****' irrelevant. The same has been said forever by men that didn't want women to be athletes because in their opinion they were put on this planet only to serve them and not to get all sweaty and conditioned. The women flipped them the bird and went out and bought cleats anyway and guess what, people still found mates they were attracted to and the Earth continued to revolve around the sun. If women tennis players get better conditioned and some even develop a more muscular physique they are STILL going to look like women, maybe not the kind of woman you're attracted to but so what. They're in it to win it, not to be a poster on your ceiling...
BTW.. some women do become more muscular, some do not. I actually lifted weights for a time to try and look more buff, I ended up with elbow tendonitis and nothing else. It depends on their particular genetics.
Because women are as competitive as men.I don't see why women feel the need push the envelope and ruin something that use to be beautiful.
Oh thank god, I didn't think I'd find anyone else to put on ignore.WTA BO5 would be the 10th Circle of Hell
Spoken like a true Neanderthal Troglodyte. Bravo.![]()